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Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:46 am
by Crackpot
Boehner Blasts Tea Party Groups Over Budget Deal Criticism
by FRANK JAMES
December 12, 2013 5:48 PM

House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio rebukes conservative groups who oppose the pending bipartisan budget compromise during a Thursday news conference on Capitol Hill.

J. Scott Applewhite/AP
Some moments feel like turning points. Speaker John Boehner's rhetorical takedown of his party's Tea Party faction seems like one such moment.

For two days running, Boehner, R-Ohio, has made clear that he's heard just about enough from conservative advocacy groups such as the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks.

On Wednesday, he called them "ridiculous." On Thursday, he said "they've lost all credibility."

Stoking Boehner's anger was their rapid-fire opposition to the modest budget deal reached by fellow Republican Rep. Paul Ryan and Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, Congress' respective budget committee chairmen. The measure was passed by the House Thursday evening.

But he seemed even more ticked off by what he said, in so many words, was an unserious approach to governing demonstrated by those groups and their allies in Congress.

All of it resulted in the normally buttoned down Boehner delivering a GIF-ready performance as he showed his disgust for the attitude hard-liners took toward the government shutdown.

Recalling how an individual with one of the just-say-no conservative groups conceded just before the shutdown ended that they had never thought the approach would work to defund Obamacare anyway, Boehner exclaimed: "Are you kidding me?" He punctuated his words with so much head and torso movement you would've thought you were watching Lebron James executing a crossover.

We may be witnessing the new Boehner, the fed-up Boehner, the Boehner who's done with having his leadership and even his manhood questioned.

And it comes not a moment too soon, as far as the speaker's allies are concerned. "To me, it's like Christmas came earlier in December than it normally does," said Steve LaTourette, a former Ohio Republican congressman and Boehner friend who runs a Washington lobby shop.

"It's really just a byproduct of the fact that he's a very patient fellow and his fuse was a lot longer than a lot of other people's, including mine, that he's run out of patience," said LaTourette, who also heads the Republican Main Street Partnership, a group of establishment Republicans for whom compromise is not a dirty word but a necessity for a governing party.

LaTourette's reading of the situation is that Boehner, wanting to let his caucus express its will, allowed the hard-liners to steer the ship of state for a while even though he disagreed with their full-steam-ahead approach — an approach that led to a government shutdown. He hoped they would learn from the experience of crashing into an iceberg.

This week suggested they hadn't. But Boehner's not going to let them get their hands on the wheel again so long as he has a say in the matter.

By calling out his party's hard-liners and showing he's willing to brawl with them, Boehner may have actually enhanced his status and hold on power.

Members of Congress, like voters and people generally, tend to respond better to leaders who project strength. Some have perceived Boehner's past deferral to hard-liners as weakness. He is giving people a chance to reconsider that perception.

"The audience for what the speaker had to say isn't the 25 chuckleheads who are going to vote 'no,' no matter what happens," LaTourette said.

Instead, the audience is the roughly 100 of the 144 House Republicans who voted against the reopening of the government but are persuadable.

"Will this be a good enough sign to the 100 men and women who really want to be good conservatives but govern at the end of the day, that the speaker has their back and so they're going to have his?" LaTourette asks. "That's the script that has to be written yet."

And Boehner seems intent in writing that script in ALL CAPS.
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Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:12 am
by Lord Jim
I have been immensely pleased by Speaker Boehner's statements over the last couple of days... :clap: :clap:

The tide is turning...

The Tea Partiers declared war against the rest of The Party, and they are being defeated...

They've lost two special elections in a row, and that wont be the end of it ...

Boehner has found his balls because now he can stand up to them...


It's about time... :ok

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:34 am
by Rick
It's about time...
Ditto

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:00 am
by Scooter
And a few months from now, Boehner and the other Republicans who voted for the budget will be subjected to primary challenges by Tea Party types, who will win them, and in November the Democrats will retake the House.

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:16 am
by Lord Jim
There are a lot of things in this "Mini Bargain" that I don't like...

And there are a lot of things in this that those on the other side don't like...

But that's the way the legislative process used to work...

"I go along with something I don't want, in exchange for something you don't want..."

And then you go back to your state or district and and make the case:

"I had to go along with something I disagreed with, in order to achieve something that I think was worth the compromise, to achieve something better"...

That is how the political process is supposed to work...

Before the nimrods who live on cots in their offices showed up...

Time to send them packing...

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:31 am
by Lord Jim
When the political process is boiled down to "what can we all agree on; where can we find common ground?"

It's going to be a very small target area...

The art of governance isn't about finding "common ground"...

It's about horse trading; it's about accepting something that you don't want in exchange for something that's important to you...

It's about reaching an agreement with someone you find odious, despite the fact that they're odious....

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:35 am
by Lord Jim
in November the Democrats will retake the House.
I'm surprised to see you say that, Scooter...

I know you don't like Rob Ford, but apparently you've been partying with him... 8-)

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:59 am
by Crackpot
I wouldn't be so sure Jim. The scenario he provides is plausible. Far from certain but plausible.

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:36 pm
by Lord Jim
CP, the record of Tea Party challengers ain't what it used to be...

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:49 pm
by rubato
Scooter wrote:And a few months from now, Boehner and the other Republicans who voted for the budget will be subjected to primary challenges by Tea Party types, who will win them, and in November the Democrats will retake the House.

We'll see. In the last round the party old guard and a lot of the money went to defeat tea party candidates. It remains to be seen how successful they will be now that the TPers are warned.

What was interesting here is that Boehner condemned the "think tanks" (right-wing sound bite factories) for rejecting the deal even before they knew what it was; they have always behaved with that kind of wholesale disregard for the truth but this is the first time a party regular has pointed it out.

I think there is a repositioning going on and that there have been a lot of deals made already; Boehner is a coward and would not act this way unless he knew he had support lined up.

The GOP had fallen off the edge of the earth, the disconnect between their ideology and both political and physical reality was total. The fracture was already there and the choice was to continue in the assinine policies demonstrated in the shutdown and disappear from national importance or to put limits on the fringe 1/3. We'll see who wins.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:20 pm
by Lord Jim
What I find most encouraging, is that this deal attracted 169 GOP votes, which is more than twice as many who voted to end the government shutdown, despite the fact that this was obviously the more substantive and potentially controversial vote...

Of course we still have the debt ceiling vote in February to get past, (I would have preferred to see that rolled into this deal) which gives the House GOP another shot at shooting itself in the foot, but that more than doubling of the earlier vote is a hopeful sign...

Politicians are not by nature a courageous breed, (there's a great line in Yes Minister where Sir Humphrey tells Bernard that the best way to get a politician not to do something is to tell him it's "courageous"...) so presumably the folks who voted the way they did this time around feel more confident about their position vis a vis the Tea Party whacko nihilists and their financial backers...

The government shutdown in October may have been a blessing in disguise for my party, since it seems to have reinvigorated the mainstream GOP (and a lot of the business community) into finally starting to forcefully take on these radical Randians...(If mainstream conservatives can defeat Tea Party nutters in very low turnout special elections in deep red districts in Alabama and Florida, they can do it anywhere.)

Re: Jim Where's your standing Ovation?

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:08 pm
by Crackpot
Lord Jim wrote:CP, the record of Tea Party challengers ain't what it used to be...
I have heard that the tea party doesn't plan to go down without a fight and furthermore they have at least gave some lip-service to actually vetting their candidates to weed out the crazies (that's toeing a fine line to be sure)

Don't underestimate the ability of the tea party along with other fringe groups to fuck things up. After all the tea paties biggest strength has been their ability to pander to the "social conservatives" by allowing for them to run roughshod over personal fredoms as long as it falls under the rubric of "conservative" ideals

That after all is their idea of compromise.