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Tens of thousands of people have attended a controversial rally in Washington DC organised by conservative talk show host Glenn Beck.

Civil rights leaders criticised Mr Beck for holding the rally at the Lincoln Memorial, the place where Martin Luther King Jr made his "I Have a Dream" speech 47 years ago to the day.

Former US vice-presidential hopeful Sarah Palin also spoke at the rally.

Civil rights campaigners held a counter-rally nearby.

Addressing the conservative rally, Mr Beck - a presenter for Fox News - said the US had "wandered in darkness" for too long.

"America today begins to turn back to God," he said.

He told the crowd the timing of the "Restoring Honour" rally was coincidence but also divine providence.

Mrs Palin compared those at the rally with the civil rights activists who marched on Washington in 1963 to hear Dr King's speech.

The same spirit that helped civil rights activists overcome oppression and violence would help this group as well, she said.

"You have the same steel spine and the moral courage of Washington and Lincoln and Martin Luther King," Mrs Palin said. "It is in you. It will sustain you as it sustained them."

Our correspondent in Washington DC, Paul Adams, says those in attendance were there to reaffirm their patriotism and share their conviction that the country had lost its way.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11114172
Speaking as a neutral outsider, I really believe this could be the destruction of the USA, as a major power, starting. The polarisation between left and right, with the right having so much money and stupidity backing it, could mean the very fabric of US society will be ripped apart.

I do not believe a fragmented society can be economically effective or successful.
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With any luck the right will just fragment itself lading to a more centrist and moderate large right party and a small and largely ignored far right party.
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That would be a good thing, the unthinking right and the thinking right.

However, where would the money go?

With Beck, Rush, and other wealthy and public figures mining the pockets of the "Ray's" and "liberty"s" of the US, I kjnow where I think it would go.
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You got the televangelists mining the pockets of similar rubes but they still are a minority.
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Yeah, but more for personal gain than political ends.

However if the religious scammers fall in line with the political hard right loony group, (and lets not forget that Beck claimed this march was and example of ; "America today begins to turn back to God,") then there is an even more potent hard right, "God, Guns and Selfish Stupidity" cadre out there looking for influence.
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I think their influence is overestimated. I'm sure once the RNC decides to develop a coherent message many will fall back in line.
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I think their influence is overestimated.
I agree....

What concerns me most (about both parties) is the way the more extreme activist elements have taken to punishing any responsible candidates or office holders who show the slightest inclination to compromise with the other side in order to get things done....

It has an effect that goes far beyond the relative handful defeated in primaries because it scares the begezzus out of the ones that are left....
I really believe this could be the destruction of the USA, as a major power
I think that way overstates the problem...

Many countries survive with deep divisions with their political system, (It's certainly been much worse in some European and Asian countries) and we have had highly polarized periods before....
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It's not so much the divisions Jim, as you say countries have survived with worse. In fact I'd say the UK at the start of the Thatcher years was riven in two.

It just seems, again from an outsiders perspective that the divisions in the US, are not so much driven by ideological splits, but by power bases of non-political parties, which are gaining momentum and power without ever having the responsibility of office.

These are then pandered to by the politician, see Palin's suck up at this parade, and gain more influence. Influence over political power without accountability at the ballot box is a dangerous mix.

Still, Paris Hilton, coked up rich bitch, but nice tits eh? ;)
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Americans are in a very sour mood right now.

The baggers are capitalizing on this fact. Many see the main line parties as corrupt and out of touch. Why do you think so many people showed up? They want their voices heard and it would appear that the baggers are the ones listening.

Sharp division?

Not really, anyone recall the USA in the late 1960's would laugh at such a thought. :lol:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Wouldn't that mean you weren't there?
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The center-right of the Republican party has been taken over by the Father Coughlin's, the hate-mongering demagogues.

By sucking up to the hardshell racists, ignoranti and hate-mongers like Rush Limbaugh, and by the indiscriminate use of wholesale liars like Ann Coulter, Cheney, Bush, and McCain, the party has become the instrument of the nutcase right. There is no moral or intellectual leadership there at all, only evil.

The Democrats deserve a better party of opposition.


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Thousands gathered in Washington DC for a rally organised by the conservative television presenter Glenn Beck. But who were they and why did they come?

In advance of Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally in front of the Lincoln Memorial, there was much controversy over the choice of date.
Glenn Beck

* Former commercial radio DJ
* Started in radio aged 13
* Former alcoholic/drug addict
* Has daily show on Fox News TV
* Show has nearly 2.5 million viewers, easily beating competitors
* Called rally to "restore honour"
* Also raising money for families of elite soldiers
Beck denied he had timed the event to coincide with the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's famous "I Have a Dream" speech, made on the very same spot.

But the coincidence was too much for those still angry at Beck's characterisation of the first black US president, Barack Obama, as a "racist" and someone with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture".

Standing at the top of the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and looking towards the Washington Monument's obelisk, one saw a huge crowd gathered on either side of the Reflecting Pool.

Beck had called for people not to bring political signs or placards as the event was non-political, and apart from the yellow flags bearing a snake and the legend "Don't Tread on Me" - a staple of the Tea Party movement - the plea was largely respected.

But looking onto the T-shirts and caps of those present you saw a very different story.
Glenn Beck Glenn Beck spoke for nearly an hour, interrupted only by bagpipes

Here was a profusion of the rich and varied colours of conservative America. There was everything from slogans about "big government" to a man with a shirt bearing the legend "Eat the Caribou - Drill for Oil".

Activist Jeremy Batterson, manning a stall festooned with posters of President Obama sporting a Hitler-style toothbrush moustache, explained why he was so steadfastly against the nation's leader.

"He is a British agent, a puppet of the British monarchy."


But Mr Batterson was not typical of the views in the crowd.

Joan Schwartz, of Morrisville, Pennsylvania, summed up why many were there.

"I'm here to support our men and women serving and we just want less government. We respect our government, we love our country but we want less government intervention."

There was much evidence of veterans and support for soldiers in the crowd. All profits from the event are going to fund the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, which helps the children of elite soldiers with the costs of an education.
Man in Uncle Sam outfit and man with 10 commandments tablet There were colourful characters at the event

At one point Beck asked the crowd to donate by text message and people were reaching for their phones before he got to the end of the sentence.

Sarah Palin too earned loud cheers when she told the crowd: "I've been asked to speak as the mother of a soldier" [her son has served in Iraq].

Despite being viewed by many as the leading figure in the Tea Party movement, Ms Palin avoided any overt political statements.

The crowd responded rapturously both to her description of "that special love of country that we call patriotism" and also to the exhortation: "Look around you. You are not alone."

"We must restore America" got the biggest cheer of the day.

While there was no partisan politics on stage, there was plenty of it out in the crowd. And much of that was anti-Obama.

"We don't like the way things are going," said Ron Kilmer, of Springfield, Missouri. "It is being shoved in our face since Obama took office."

He alluded to the "birthers", those who believe Obama was not born in the US and therefore not eligible to be president, and also questioned the president's religion. President Obama is a Christian.

"Where was he born and what religion is he? I believe he is a Muslim," said Mr Kilmer.

Charles Rush came with friends from Tennessee for the rally and thought there was no problem that the event coinciding with the anniversary of King's famous speech.

He said he respected Martin Luther King, adding: "Who is to say Glenn Beck is not as good as Martin Luther King, or better?"

The audience at the rally was predominantly white, but there was the occasional African-American in the crowd, some Tea Party-aligned, others without symbols of affiliation.

Student AJ Williamson came down from Howard University with friends and is interested in Beck's television programme. "I like how he challenges you to go and research for yourself."

Despite the coincidence of the event's timing Beck and Ms Palin were happy to embrace it and made frequent references to the work of King.

Indeed, when the civil rights leader's niece, Alveda King, took to the stage, there was perhaps the most rousing reception of the day.

At the climax of the event Beck spoke for nearly an hour, interrupted only by a bagpiped interlude of Amazing Grace.

Any Beck-haters attending, looking for true controversy, would have left disappointed.

Since Beck was not criticising anyone or anything specifically, it would be rather hard for anyone to disagree with much of what he was saying.

"Our children need people to look up to," he said. There were cheers.

"America is only what we choose her to be," he intoned. There were more cheers.

"We must be good so that America can be great," he proposed. Cheers again.

His message was also replete with references to God, and the crowd often murmured its approval.

Beck dealt with the critics who label him a wild conspiracy theorist. He used the example of the lookout on a ship who could surely not be labelled a "fearmonger".

"He was warning the people on the ship," he said to laughter.

To the thousands who turned up to see his rally, Glenn Beck is that lookout

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11122587
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Here's a collection of some of the dumbest shirts at the Glenn Beck Rally.

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Oh my! :shrug :loon :funee:
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I'm not sure why the one that says:

"America, Home Of the Free Because Of The Brave"

Would qualify as "dumb"....

I'd have no problem wearing that one myself....

I really don't see anything to argue with there....
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I'll take one of those in 2XL-T if you can find them, Jim.
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Lord Jim wrote:I'm not sure why the one that says:

"America, Home Of the Free Because Of The Brave"

Would qualify as "dumb"....
Depends on how you interpret it. I suspect that the person wearing/selling that t-shirt sees "the brave" as only those who have put on a uniform to go fight in some war to "preserve America's freedoms". But there are a LOT of people who have done a LOT to advance the cause of freedom without ever donning a uniform, who showed great courage at great personal cost. But somehow I don't think the person who brought that t-shirt to the rally was thinking of a Martin Luther King or an Alice Paul or a Ryan White or an ACLU lawyer as being part of "the brave".

I suspect the labelling of this particular shirt as "dumb" is a reaction to both the simplistic notion implicit in it that freedom comes from the barrel of a gun, as well as the delusional notion that has permeated the national rhetoric that every war the U.S. engages in is a "fight for its freedoms".
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Depends on how you interpret it. I suspect that the person wearing/selling that t-shirt sees "the brave" as only those who have put on a uniform to go fight in some war to "preserve America's freedoms".
Absolutely.

The "bravery" of sitting at a lunch counter could never have taken place had it not been for those who had the "bravery" to "put on a uniform" to " go fight" in some war to "preserve America's freedoms"....
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Preserving America's freedoms is a romantic notion Jim, and some wars were fought with that as a primary aim. However, many wars (or not wars, depends on how much you feel that only congress can declare war) in which thousands or tens of thousands of american troops were killed were fought for other reasons. Oh, the spinmeisters would try and spin the purpose behind the war to encompass a threat to Ameircan fredom (from horrible communist aggression to the domino theory to to ...), but many wars were fought by brave men for reasons having little or nothing to do with America's freedoms. Brave men and women, no doubt, who fought because they were called, but who did little to advance American freedom, but much to line the pockets of the corporations, or to grab land from indigenous peoples, or ensure the coninuity of oil supplies, or to protection of American business interests abroad, ...

Clearly we owe a debt of thanks of those who wills tand up and defend american freedoms, and I have every respect for those who sacrificed and fought in the "other" wars, but let's not turn this into a church sermon. Wars are rpimarily fought for economic reasons, and the US has gotten into many such wars that it would have best stayed out of.

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Lord Jim wrote:The "bravery" of sitting at a lunch counter could never have taken place had it not been for those who had the "bravery" to "put on a uniform" to " go fight" in some war to "preserve America's freedoms"....
And what was the last war fought to preserve America's freedoms? Certainly none of the wars fought in the past 65 years. I would argue that not even WWII fits into that category, because at the time it was being fought, neither Germany nor Japan posed any serious threat to the freedom of the U.S. Before that, you'd have to go back to the Revolutionary War to find a conflict in which the U.S.'s freedom was at stake.

eta - I am not saying that none of those other wars had noble goals, but their purpose was not to defend the freedoms of the U.S.
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