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Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:33 pm
by BoSoxGal
By the people; NOT by corporation or religion!
After you vote, weigh in with your dream team, why it's great, and why mine's impossible, foolish, or dangerous.
edited to add: isn't populism still possible, given handheld communication devices and open internet? Or was our democracy made an oligarchy by Citizens United?
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:06 pm
by rubato
For Warren it is an easy "hell yes!".
Bernie is not, and I can't at the moment see him as becoming, a national political figure.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:33 pm
by Gob
Can we have another voting option; "Who?"
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:19 pm
by rubato
Guin. has mentioned Warren in these pages on a number of occasions, Scooter or Sue U may have done so as well.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:08 pm
by Sue U
Liz Warren, America's favorite librarian/schoolmarm/Girl Scout Troop Leader/populist attack dog:
Check out some viral videos:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1155 ... -out-there
She insists she won't run for president in 2016. But a Hillz/Liz ticket would be okay with me.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:31 pm
by Big RR
That could be an interesting ticket to me as well, but I do wonder how well either would do working with Congress (part of me wonders how much worse it could be, but then I fear it could be a lot worse).
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:15 pm
by Guinevere
No thanks. Liz has made it very clear she is our Senator for some time. I don't want to have yet another stupid special election, and I want her to gain seniority and experience. Maybe down the road, but not in 2016 (and especially not stuck in the horrible job of a Vice-President, god talk about neutering her . . . )
As for Bernie, no way -- he wouldn't run as a Dem, he'd never succeed as a Socialist (his actual party affiliation), and he has no real interest in the national spotlight or job anyway.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:18 pm
by BoSoxGal
As for Bernie, no way -- he wouldn't run as a Dem, he'd never succeed as a Socialist (his actual party affiliation), and he has no real interest in the national spotlight or job anyway.
Actually:
WEDNESDAY, NOV 27, 2013 06:22 AM MST
Bernie Sanders: Why I might run in 2016
Bernie Sanders tells Salon it "remains to be seen" if Clinton "will be a forceful advocate for working families"
JOSH EIDELSON
Bernie Sanders: Why I might run in 2016

Bernie Sanders (Credit: AP/Rich Pedroncelli)
This month Vermont’s Bernie Sanders, the Senate’s only self-described socialist, made a tour of four Southern states that stoked talk of a presidential run. In an interview this week with Salon, Sanders set forth his thinking about why he might take that plunge, and offered assessments of contenders Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. He also blasted Wal-Mart’s business model, Republicans’ healthcare tactics, and a level of inequality that he warned has brought America to the cusp of oligarchy. A condensed version of our conversation follows.
POLITICS 06.09.14
A 2016 Presidential Primary Clue? Vermont’s Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders Heads To New Hampshire
Bernie Sanders, the Senate’s lone Socialist, is heading to the Granite State for a speaking trip. Is he testing the waters for a 2016 challenge to Hillary?
Bernie Sanders, the Vermont Senator and potential 2016 presidential candidate, will travel back to the early primary state of New Hampshire later this month, The Daily Beast has learned.
Sanders, the lone Socialist in the U.S Senate, will speak at a bookstore in the town of Warner, New Hampshire on June 28, on the subject of “rebuilding our economy and restoring our democracy.” That evening, he is slated to keynote a dinner celebrating grassroots activists arranged by the Hillsborough County Democratic Committee.
The trip comes as much of the political world will be dedicated over the course of the next week to Hillary Clinton’s book tour for her memoir about her time as Secretary of State. That tour, with its dedicated advance team, carefully stage-managed press availability, and multi-city itinerary, has all the hallmarks of a testing of the waters for a possible presidential run. And early polls give Clinton a gargantuan lead in a Democratic primary.
But Sanders has repeatedly criticized Clinton from the left, telling Time Magazine earlier this year that he would make a better president than her.
"I like Hillary… She’s a very, very intelligent person, no question about it," Sanders said then. "But I think, you know, if you talk about the need for a political revolution in America, I think it’s fair to say that Secretary Clinton probably will not be one of the more active people."
Sanders has repeatedly criticized Clinton from the left, saying earlier this year that he would make a better president than her.
Although Sanders would face a steep challenge if he did run for president, he could give voice to the feeling of many in the Democratic Party who want the party to adopt a more aggressive, populist stance on Wall Street regulation, climate change, and economic growth. And such a candidate could suck up oxygen from Clinton as she tries to focus on the Republican Party, which will be hungry for the White House after eight years in the wilderness.
Sanders has called for a minimum wage above the $10.10 that Obama has proposed, further investment in the nation’s infrastructure, higher taxes on corporation and the wealth and a carbon tax.
“If [Clinton] does run, will she be as strong as the times require in taking on the billionaire class that has so much power? I’m not sure that she will be,” Sanders recently told The Washington Post. “Will she be as strong as needs be to address the crisis of climate change? I am not sure that she will be. Will she be as strong as needs be to take on the power of Wall Street? I’m not sure she will be.”
Sanders has made no decisions yet about running, but he has made all the moves that a possible candidate could make. The trip to New Hampshire will be his second to the early primary state in the last couple of months, and he also has visited the crucial early primary states of Iowa and South Carolina.
And there's a Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/US-Senat ... 6231398947
He seems at very least to be seeking out the spotlight some . . .
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:50 pm
by Scooter
A political revolution is all well and good, but unless you believe yourself to be truly capable of bringing one about, you need to ask yourself whether, within the current political system, your intervention will put you closer to or further away from achieving your ideals. I am willing to bet the farm that there are more than a few Floridians who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 who wish they could have had a do-over (and I'm sure that there are several thousand dead U.S. soldiers and several hundred thousand dead Iraqis who would have wanted to give it to them). You don't bring about political change by being nothing but a spoiler.
It's fine for Saunders to question whether Clinton is up to the challenge of taking on the billionaire class. The better question, however, is knowing that he will never in a million years be in a position to do so himself, does he believe that Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin are going to be better at taking them on than Clinton would?
I don't ascribe to the belief that any party "owns" the votes along any particular part of the political spectrum and should not be challenged to live up to its ideals. But idealism without pragmatism gets you nowhere, and is the mark of a crank.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:08 pm
by Sue U
Guinevere wrote:No thanks. Liz has made it very clear she is our Senator for some time. I don't want to have yet another stupid special election, and I want her to gain seniority and experience.
Why won't you share??!!??!!??!
You're just greedy.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:13 pm
by Big RR
You don't bring about political change by being nothing but a spoiler.
Directly, you are right--you don't bring change that way. However, there are times when the party leadership has to hear that the wing it is taking for granted (and often ignoring) doesn't want to stand for it anymore. And so, the "spoiler" can speak with an amplified voice and make sure that that part of the party is heard (instead of just treated as, who are they going to vote for if not the guy we nominate?). And IMHO sometimes that is more important than who wins a particular election, especially if I particularly don't like either candidate (like the presidential election of 2000). Sometimes it blows up in your face (like in 2000), sometimes not, but I wouldn't have changed my vote.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:36 pm
by Guinevere
Sue U wrote:Guinevere wrote:No thanks. Liz has made it very clear she is our Senator for some time. I don't want to have yet another stupid special election, and I want her to gain seniority and experience.
Why won't you share??!!??!!??!
You're just greedy.
The longer she stays in the Senate, the more she will do for *all* of us!
As for Bernie, don't get me wrong, I love the guy and I absolutely believe in him -- especially what he has to say about the importance of campaign finance reform (although I think he is going about it the wrong way). I don't believe his heart's desire is to have the
job of President , as I said above, and that's a key piece to running these days.
Here's a recent article (and the source piece mentioned in the blog clipped above) on his latest thinking:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... ont-do-it/
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:54 pm
by Long Run
This is a dream ticket . . . for the Republicans. The D's would be wise to listen to voices like Scooter's and add a healthy does of pragmatism to any choice.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:04 am
by Scooter
You have enough dream tickets for the opposition on your own side of the aisle that are actually seen by significant factions within the GOP as viable choices, so perhaps you might reconsider before crowing quite so loudly.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:45 am
by Lord Jim
Hell yes, hell yes, a thousand times hell yes!
Could I
please vote "Hell yes!" multiple times?
Long Run hit the nail exactly on the head...
This fantasy ticket would be the greatest gift to the GOP since George McGovern...
But alas, it is not to be...
My party just doesn't have that kinda luck...

Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:26 pm
by dgs49
If the election cycle were 4-6 weeks long, a populist could win the Presidency in the U.S - we are obviously that stupid and gullible. They (she) spout the kind of ideas and concepts that make sense at first glance, but cannot survive real scrutiny. But in our 18-month marathon she would only be one of the "flavors of the week," like Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry were in the last cycle.
I'm afraid (and quite content) that the Dems are pretty much stuck with HRC in 2016. I'm actually thinking of changing my registration so I can vote for her. In the primary.
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:38 am
by BoSoxGal
So does anybody think that Clinton/Warren could take the White House in 2016?
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:49 am
by Lord Jim
Hillary is not going to pick the current darling of the mainstream liberal media to be her running mate...
No way is she going to pick anyone who might step on her message, or get more interest from the press than she will; nor will she select a gadfly who she can't count on to tow the line....
On top of that Warren, doesn't bring Clinton one single vote that she doesn't otherwise have...
Hillary is going to pick a fairly bland team-player type who she can count to be loyal and grateful and not try to steal the limelight; and they'll probably be from a swing state...
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:59 pm
by rubato
bigskygal wrote:So does anybody think that Clinton/Warren could take the White House in 2016?
Warren is a very impressive speaker. Well-informed, intelligent, articulate and has a clear idea about what needs to be done. She would be a very strong campaigner.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Elizabeth Warren/Bernie Sanders 2016!!
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:18 pm
by Big RR
No way is she going to pick anyone who might step on her message, or get more interest from the press than she will;
True, she'll get enough of that from Bill; unless she can muzzle him in a way that doesn't alienate his supporters, IMHO her candidacy will fail in the primaries.
As for Warren, she might just energize those on the left who are lukewarm about Hillary, and an all woman ticket would also generate a lot of interest and bring more voters to the polls, so she might not be that bad of a choice. Hillary is a pretty shrewd politician (and/or gets a lot of shrewd advice), and I think she would take on any running mate who she believes would help the candidacy, casting her ego aside.