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Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in eastern Ukraine, feared shot down by missile

MOSCOW — A Malaysia Airlines plane crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday with 295 people on board amid indications that it may have been shot down by an antiaircraft missile.

The Ukrainian government and pro-Russian separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine immediately blamed each other for the crash, which occurred as the Boeing 777 was flying its regular route from Amsterdam to the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.

President Obama said his administration was “working to determine whether there were American citizens on board” the downed plane. “It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy,” he told reporters. News reports said as many as 23 Americans may have been among the passengers.

Obama said the United States is in contact with the Ukrainian government and “will offer any assistance it can to help determine what happened and why.” Vice President Biden called Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to extend that offer, the White House said.

An Associated Press reporter who arrived on the scene in eastern Ukraine counted at least 22 bodies at the wreckage site, the news agency said.

An adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister wrote on Facebook that a Buk antiaircraft missile system shot down the plane over the village of Torez, about 25 miles east of the city of Donetsk and within territory held by pro-Russian separatist rebels. The adviser, Anton Herashenko, blamed the rebels for the attack.

Rebel spokesmen denied responsibility, shifting blame to Ukrainian government forces. The Ukrainian government said it had nothing to do with downing the plane.

“We do not exclude that this plane was shot down, and we stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not take action against any airborne targets,” Poroshenko said in a statement. “We are sure that those who are guilty in this tragedy will be held responsible.”

why on earth was commercial air traffic still being routed over what is clearly very dangerous air space?

Crackpot wrote:::cough:: false flag ::cough::

U.S. official: Malaysia Airlines plane shot down

(CNN) -- A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet crashed in a rebel-controlled area of eastern Ukraine on Thursday, prompting swift accusations from Ukrainian officials that "terrorists" shot down the aircraft.

The United States also has concluded that the plane was shot down, but hasn't pinpointed who was responsible, a senior U.S. official told CNN's Barbara Starr.

The Boeing 777 carrying 295 people fell from the sky near the town of Torez in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, according to a Facebook post from a top Ukrainian official, as it flew at about 10,000 meters (nearly 33,000 feet) on the way from Amsterdam to Malaysia.

A radar system saw a surface-to-air missile system turn on and track an aircraft right before the plane went down, the senior U.S. official said. A second system saw a heat signature at the time the airliner was hit, the official said. The United States is analyzing the trajectory of the missile to try to learn where the attack came from.[It's possible the missile was fired from inside Russia; (the plane was shot down only 30 miles from the Russian border) from the analysis being done we should know the answer to that fairly soon...if it turns out that missile was fired from inside Russia, we've got a whole new ball game]


Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the plane never made a distress call. [The Buk Missile has supersonic speed capability with a top speed of over 2600 mph, so that's not surprising]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/eur ... index.html

"This tragedy would not have happened, if there had been peace on that land, or in any case if military operations in southeastern Ukraine had not been renewed," he said in televised comments.

"And without doubt the government of the territory on which it happened bears responsibility for this frightening tragedy,"

“I have to tell you that the initial response of the Russian ambassador was to blame Ukraine for this and I have to say that is deeply, deeply unsatisfactory,” Mr Abbott said. “We all know that there are problems in Ukraine.

“We also know who is very substantially to blame for those problems, and the idea that Russia can somehow say that none of this has anything to do with them because it happened in Ukrainian airspace frankly does not stand up to any serious scrutiny....

"I just want to say that it is absolutely imperative if Russia is to maintain any international standing at all that there be complete Russian co-operation with this," he said. "No provocation, no excuses, no blame-shifting, no protecting of people who may be backed by Russia but who may have been involved in this terrible event."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... z37or63s63

MH17 Lies Already Falling Apart! Ukrainian Govt Messes Up Like MSM & US Govt Did On 9/11!!!

While the newly released video report below from DAHBOO77 clearly shows that all kinds of questions are now emerging about the downing of Flight MH-17, this linked story excerpted below from Zero Hedge brings up another pertinent fact that reminds us of our now defunct mainstream media and the criminal US govt on 9/11, the Ukrainian govt knew EXACTLY what happened soon after the crash, prior to any investigation of what REALLY happened.

Adding in the fact that dozens of Malaysian passports were conveniently found at the scene of the crash,[Gee, on a Malaysia Airlines plane bound for Malaysia...who'd expect that?] we can clearly see an attempted false flag to launch WW3 unfolding. The occult/illuminati connection to this plane crash are laid out in the 2nd video below and are absolutely stunning as the NWO attempts to start WW3 as their grip on power falls apart as the US dollar dies and on the same day TWA Flight 800 was shot down in 1996.

Malaysian Plane Missile Strike – 100% False Flag Attack, Intended To Assassinate Putin

Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, was flying an eerily-similar plane flying an extremely-similar path when a missile struck it. We now know that Ukraine has pulled this kind of crap before, and that they immediately – and I mean, within 30 minutes, had a statement drafted on how it all went down: That Russia and/or Russian separatists carried out the missile strike to inflame tensions even further in the area, as well as kill people from other countries, as well….which there is evidence it was Ukraine that carried it out, so a false flag attack just makes more sense.[ well of course it does...]


That’s why I’m so glad we have people like Kev Baker to tell us what’s really going on with this ongoing situation. [Yes, thank God for Kev]My take on this is: Kiev decided to play dirty ball for some reason and shot down a passenger airplane carrying almost 300 civilians from Amsterdam to Kuala Lampur, and they were also cooperating with another airline that was predominantly Dutch, so they’re thinking that there may be Anglo-Saxons, and not just Asians onboard. Which would mean a gold mine for BBC, FOX News, and CNN in terms of shock and awe value to garner ratings for their networks. I can only imagine the political crisis this is going to set off.

Flight MH 17 Never Took Off???!!!

Now confirmed and therefore top postedCONFIRMED: FLIGHT MH17 NEVER OVER FLIES UKRAINE, ESPECIALLY IN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR SHOOT DOWN EVEN WHEN GLOBAL CURVATURE IS FACTORED IN:


And flightradar24.com says it never took off and was CANCELED.

Is this “shoot down” really the disposal of flight 370? I am trying to figure this out, but something seems to be amiss.Malaysia airlines MH17 777 flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpoor shot down at border between Ukraine and RussiaA malaysian jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down by either Russia or Ukraine. Obviously the press is mum about a shootdown, but it is all to obvious and if Russia shot it down, I do not think they would be mum. FULL STORY HERE this could end up being big.

And speaking about false flags, remember that Flight 370 clone in Tel Aviv? and do not forget about the 777 that was stopped by the Dutch from crashing the nuclear summit right after flight 370 vanished,[ who could possibly forget that?] as this web site predicted was likely to happen.Missile system identifiedThe jet was shot down by a BUK missile. The American press is being quick to blame Russia, but is failing to mention that Ukraine had a large supply of these. And that says a lot – it pretty much proves that 1. The Ukraine uprising had American/Israeli roots and that 2. the real goal is war with Russia, after all if it was not, why struggle to blame them?

Video of smoke from crashInteresting tidbit – Planes first flight was on July 17 1997 and was shot down on the anniversary of TWA flight 800 . . .

Scooter wrote:There will always be crackpots (small-c ones, no offence to our Crackpot). If Steve were here, he would already be posting stuff that this had all been orchestrated by the Pentagon with the help of the Israelis.

As horrible as this was, there was commentator last night who said this could be an opportunity. The Europeans have been dithering about upping sanctions against Russian, with so many of the victims being Dutch, German, etc. that may change. And with a truce in effect to recover the bodies, etc., it could give the Russians a face saving way of dialing back their support for the rebels (although the comments Jim referred to seem to blunt that possibility).

As horrible as this was, there was commentator last night who said this could be an opportunity. The Europeans have been dithering about upping sanctions against Russian, with so many of the victims being Dutch, German, etc. that may change.

Why Putin Let MH17 Get Shot Down

Russia has been escalating its war in Ukraine for weeks. The urgency to win turned to recklessness.

President Putin has been recklessly escalating the crisis in eastern Ukraine since he was embarrassed and outmaneuvered by the Ukrainian president three weeks ago. Allowing a passenger jet to be shot down is the act of an increasingly desperate man.

The Kremlin ordered tanks, heavy weapons and Russian fighters to pour over the border stoking up the crisis until tragedy struck. We should have seen it coming; on Wednesday morning the front page of Foreign Policy magazine had a headline that should have sent shockwaves through the geopolitical landscape: Russia Is Firing Missiles At Ukraine.

The story followed several Russian citizens posting videos to social media which they said show GRAD rockets being fired from Russian territory toward Ukraine. By triangulating the different camera angles, my team at The Interpreter proved that the unguided rockets were indeed being fired into Ukraine from Russia. Thursday morning, there were reports that a group of Ukrainian soldiers had been hit by the rocket fire and were actually receiving medical treatment on the other side of the border, ironically enough in the same town from which the rockets had been launched in the first place.

This should have been huge news. How could things in Ukraine have deteriorated to the point where Putin was now engaged in such a reckless act of aggression? Of course, it was huge news... but for only a few hours. Quickly this headline was buried under the news that another Malaysian airlines flight was missing, and evidence is steadily growing that either Russian-backed separatists or Russia itself may have fired the missile that brought it down.

While much of the media is trying to figure out who shot this aircraft down, with what weapon and where it was obtained, it might be more instructive to focus instead on the 'whys' of this incident.

Why would Putin want to shoot down a commercial airliner? And if it was an accident, why would Putin allow the separatists to have a weapon this powerful without having full control over how it was used?

The answer to that question reveals that the situation in Ukraine, and in Moscow, is much, much worse than many had feared.

The first thing we have to understand is that the Kremlin spent a lot of time and money to bring down, either deliberately or accidentally, Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. The prime suspect is a Buk surface-to-air missile system. This is not a shoulder-fired weapon easily smuggled across the border, a point-and-shoot heat-seeking weapon that could be used with little training by anyone who got their hands on it. This is an advanced and battle-proven series of highly sophisticated vehicles which coordinate to track targets with radar and fire missiles so advanced that they were designed to knock smart bombs and cruise missiles out of the sky. Whoever launched this weapon was highly trained and extremely well-equipped.

How, then, could such an advanced weapons system mistake a civilian airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft? The short answer is that while the Buk system is able to work in isolation, it was never meant to. These types of advanced anti-aircraft systems would typically be used as part of a whole-military response to a threat, utilizing a nation-wide radar system, airborne radar systems, and a coordinated command and control structure that would identify targets and call the shots.

The firing of GRAD rockets and the shooting down of a civilian airplane are part of a pattern, a last-ditch desperate attempt to salvage a win in eastern Ukraine at any cost. In the last several weeks, Russia has pumped dozens of tanks, self-powered howitzers, armored vehicles and militants across the border to the Russian-backed insurgents.

Almost three weeks ago Ukraine’s government and the separatists had entered into at least a tentative ceasefire, and Russia believed the separatists could diplomatically outmaneuver Kiev. But Ukraine’s new president, Petro Poroshenko, did not extend the ceasefire, as even his European allies thought he would. Instead he launched a sudden strike on the separatists, retaking a series of key rebel strongholds.

Putin was the one who had been outmaneuvered, and the effort to covertly support the separatists in eastern Ukraine was falling apart. Now the veil has fallen. Russia is almost overtly supplying the separatists with military support. But Putin’s urgency in Ukraine has turned to recklessness, and Thursday’s events are the recklessness of Putin epitomized.

Why the urgency? Putin had been seeing surging popular support at home despite the flat-lined economy, the loss of a major ally in Ukraine’s ousted president Viktor Yanukovych, and the problematic Winter Olympics that popularized the Twitter hashtag #SochiProblems. The reason was the perception that Putin had won a decisive victory by annexing Crimea and standing up to the West.

But in recent weeks Moscow’s thinkers and pundits have written that they believe Putin’s support could collapse. A failure to achieve further victory in Ukraine has led analysts to predict that Putin’s support could drop significantly, and Russia’s leading pollsters already see evidence that these predictions could be right.

Since sanctions have had little effect on the economy but have dinged Putin’s support among his elites, he feels he needs the overwhelming support of the masses. Putin needs his war, and he needs to win, and without flooding eastern Ukraine with serious firepower and driving up civilian casualties it’s not clear if Putin can salvage a win at this point without openly invading, and doing so may carry significant costs that undercut the gains.

And Putin has actually helped create the engine of popular uproar that both empowers him and hangs like a Sword of Damocles over his head. In recent months, editorially-independent but state-owned news agencies have been turned into Kremlin-run propaganda machines, efforts have been undertaken to censor the Internet, and even independently-owned media companies have seen their editors thrown out and replaced with the Kremlin’s people.

The Russian media landscape is now a nearly unified voice of disinformation and hate, spreading the narrative that the world is locked in a great battle between East and West, a battle which will be lost unless Putin is allowed to win it. With every passing week Putin becomes more like the totalitarian dictators who helped divide the world along these lines just a few generations ago, and he is now a victim of his own mechanisms.

And there is no sign that this cycle will be broken any time soon. If Putin thinks his efforts to regain the upper hand in eastern Ukraine have gone too far, he’s certainly not reflecting that in his rhetorical answer to this tragedy. Instead, Putin blamed Ukraine for the downing of the aircraft, saying, “This tragedy would not have happened if there had been peace on that land, or in any case if military operations in southeastern Ukraine had not been renewed,” in televised comments.

“Without doubt the government of the territory on which it happened bears responsibility for this frightening tragedy,” he said, adding that he had urged the Russian authorities to do everything possible to help with the investigation into the incident.

“We will do everything that we can so that an objective pictured of what happened can be achieved,” Putin said.

“This is a completely unacceptable thing.”

But providing an objective picture is not what the Kremlin and its media apparatus is known for. Instead, the Russian media are already conducting a disinformation campaign about the facts, while the Western world lines up to (justifiably) blame Russia for this mess. While the unified rejection of Russia's actions are absolutely necessary, and while stronger sanctions need to be inflicted on Russia to change the economic calculus of such reckless hostility, such actions will only serve as evidence to the Kremlin's pundits and the people who listen to them that this is all just one giant conspiracy to isolate and weaken Russia.

The cycle will continue. Putin's recklessness in eastern Ukraine will only grow. Many more lives, often of civilians stuck in the crossfire, will be lost. In the warped cycle of disinformation and power that Putin has created, this senseless violence makes perfect sense, and hundreds or even thousands of civilian casualties are just collateral damage.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... again.html

The crashed MH17 flight took a route 300 miles to the north of its usual path, an aviation expert has said.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot who edits Aviation International News Safety magazine, said that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur normally travelled along a route significantly further south than the plane which crashed.

Malaysia Airlines has insisted its plane travelled on an "approved route" used by many other carriers.

But Mr Mark said: "I can only tell you as a commercial pilot myself that if we had been routed that way, with what's been going on in the Ukraine and the Russian border over the last few weeks and months, I would never have accepted that route.

"I went into the FlightAware system, which we all use these days to see where airplanes started and where they tracked, and I looked back at the last two weeks' worth of MH17 flights, which was this one.

"And the flight today tracked very, very much further north into the Ukraine than the other previous flights did ... there were MH17 versions that were 300 miles south of where this one was."

Records of recent MH17 flights on the FlightAware appear to bear out Mr Mark's claim, with earlier flights significantly further south than the flight that crashed.