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Gee, I imagine this is going to make the family Christmas Dinner rather awkward:
New Labour leader says he won't be "Red Ed"

By DAVID STRINGER, Associated Press Writer David Stringer, Associated Press Writer – Sun Sep 26, 2:00 pm ET

LONDON – Britain's newly appointed opposition leader Ed Miliband insisted Sunday he won't force his Labour Party toward the political left-wing after he harnessed the support of leftist labor unions to beat his better-known brother in a dramatic election.

Miliband, 40, narrowly defeated brother David, the 45-year-old ex-foreign secretary, in their party's leadership contest on Saturday, winning a slender majority of 1.3 percent of votes.

Critics have already dubbed Miliband "Red Ed," claiming he is likely to shift the Labour Party away from the centrist, business-friendly platform of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

"I am nobody's man, I am my own man. I am very clear about that," Miliband told BBC television Sunday, in a first interview as party leader, insisting he would not be beholden to his labor union backers.

He said his leadership would not see a turn toward the political left, but insisted his party must break decisively from the dogma of Blair and Brown — and lay to rest divisive arguments over the decision to back the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

"It is not about some lurch to the left, absolutely not. I am for the center ground of politics," said Miliband, who was confirmed as leader at a rally in Manchester, northern England. Legislators, party activists and about 3.5 million labor union members voted in the contest.

In his campaign, Miliband advocated the retention of a temporary 50 percent tax rate for high earners, a more punishing levy on banks and a steep rise in the country's national minimum wage.

He said he favored the use of tax hikes in place of some proposed public spending cuts — but told the BBC on Sunday that he would not oppose all austerity measures being put forward by Prime Minister David Cameron's government.

Treasury chief George Osborne will next month set out the detail of the sharpest spending cuts since World War II, aimed at virtually clearing the country's record debts by 2015. "I'm not going to oppose every cut that the coalition government comes up with. I will judge them on their merits," Miliband said.

But he questioned the speed of the government's plans to restore Britain's finances, claiming the aim of saving about 30 billion pounds ($44 billion) per year from government departments was reckless.

"They want to say the only thing that matters in our society is to eliminate the structural deficit over the next four years," Miliband said. "I don't agree with that because that will inflict huge damage on our communities. Deficit reduction, yes, but at a cautious pace and in a way that will help our economy, not hinder it."

Miliband, whose partner Justine Thornton is pregnant with the couple's second child, has pledged action to reduce the gap between the country's highest and lowest earners, and to offer better protection to British workers who face competition for jobs from migrants.

However, he insisted his policies would have broad appeal. "All these characterizations about 'Red Ed' are both tiresome and also rubbish," he said.
More here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_ ... n_labour_4



Now, I've been following British politics pretty closely since I was in college in the late 70's, and this guy looks exactly like the sort of character that the defeated party chooses as a leader when they figure they're going to be out of power for a long time.....

Just look at the guy:

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Now I ask you....

Is that not the visage of a man that screams out "hopeless loser"?

The Labourites went through a whole series of stiffs that they put up after Thatcher came to power, before they came up with someone who had a serious chance of bringing their party back to power....

Ditto the Conservatives after Blair won his first election....

The selection of this guy, (and not just his junior high school Wedgie King physical appearance...but from everything I've read about him over the past couple of days....) certainly makes it look like Labour wants to continue that tradition.....
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Lord Jim wrote:The Labourites went through a whole series of stiffs that they put up after Thatcher came to power....
Tit for tat, I suppose ....
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Tit for tat, I suppose ....
Yes, absolutely. As I said:

"Ditto the Conservatives after Blair won his first election...."

In the three losing elections to Blair, the Tories went from John Major, to William Hague, to Ian Duncan Smith....

As forceful an argument against the theory of evolution that I have ever seen....
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I'm impressed Jim. Very impressed, your grasp of Brit politics is a credit to you.

Couple of points.

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All the parties seem to have gone for clone leaders.

Labour had no option but to move away from the centre ground, as Bliar/Brown had poisoned that pool for them.

Miliband's only hope is that the Con/Dem alliance (say it fast) will fragment and fall apart due to policy issues. As this would not give them a firm base for a disolution of parlaiment and subsequent election.

He may also pick up some "old labour" traditional voters from those disillusioned with Bliar/Brown's shift to the middle ground.

He's got "thump me" written all over him.
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Mind you the Labour Party came up with this line up against Lady Thatcher....

James Callaghan, to Michael Foote to, Neil Knock...

That wouldn't be a particularly ringing endorsement for the theory of evolution either.....


Though I've always loved Jim Callahan's last line before Parliament when Liberals[/i] brought his government down..

Referring to the Liberal Party allies who had deserted him.....and members of his own party.....That brought on the election of '79...

Callahan said,(being aware of the polls):

"This is the first time in recorded history that the turkeys have voted for an early Christmas.... "
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I'll reserve comment on Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, but the criticism of Callaghan is a bit unfair. Had the 1979 election been held six months earlier (before the Winter of Discontent) Labour probably would have won. Even so, in polls running right up to the election Callaghan remained more personally popular than Margaret Thatcher even as support for his party evaporated.
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In terms of ideology and programmatic choices the range is between the center and the extreme left of the US Democratic party. The UK conservatives have nothing like the fruitcake right which is dead center in the U.S. Republican platform.

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I always have wondered what would the UK political scene be like now if John Smith hadn't popped his clogs, paving the way for Bliar.
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Gob wrote:I always have wondered what would the UK political scene be like now if John Smith hadn't popped his clogs, paving the way for Bliar.
I met JS twice at Trade Union conferences, he was an absolute gentleman and was strong on principals. A LOT of what TB brought to the table were ideas of his.

The best Prime Minister we never had.

Ed Milliband.... I'm not so sure about him yet. I voted for David, I believe he had the leadership skills to align the party again after the Brown years, I don't think his brother does.

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My greatest concern is that we have lost party politics in the UK. I'd hate us to end up with three middle-ground, wishy-washy "say anything to get us votes" parties who you can only tell apart by the colour of their ties.

We need the great characters and leaders in politics, the Tony Bens, the Thatchers, the Churchills.

Politics needs great thinkers, leaders, visionaries, otherwise we'll end up like the USA! ;)
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Gob wrote:middle-ground, wishy-washy "say anything to get us votes" parties who you can only tell apart by the colour of their ties.
You can tell them apart by the color (or colour) of their ties?

Wow, that's a marked improvement over US politics! ;)
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