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Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:08 pm
by Lord Jim
12 Dead in Attack on Paris Newspaper; France Goes on Alert

Masked gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar!" stormed the Paris offices of a satirical newspaper Wednesday, killing 12 people before escaping. It was France's deadliest terror attack in at least two decades.

With a manhunt on, French President Francois Hollande called the attack on the Charlie Hebdo weekly, whose caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed have frequently drawn condemnation from Muslims, "a terrorist attack without a doubt." He said several other attacks have been thwarted in France "in recent weeks."

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, which the Paris prosecutor's office confirmed killed 12 people, including cartoonists.

France raised its security alert to the highest level and reinforced protective measures at houses of worship, stores, media offices and transportation. Top government officials were holding an emergency meeting and Hollande planned a nationally televised address in the evening. Schools closed their doors.

World leaders including President Barack Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned the attack, but supporters of the militant Islamic State group celebrated the slayings as well-deserved revenge against France.

The Islamic State group has repeatedly threatened to attack France. Just minutes before the attack, Charlie Hebdo had tweeted a satirical cartoon of that extremist group's leader giving New Year's wishes. Another cartoon, released in this week's issue and entitled "Still No Attacks in France," had a caricature of an extremist fighter saying "Just wait ? we have until the end of January to present our New Year's wishes."

Just before noon, multiple masked men armed with automatic weapons attacked the newspaper's office in central Paris, nearby worker Benoit Bringer told the iTele network. The attackers went to the second floor and started firing indiscriminately in the newsroom, said Christophe DeLoire of Reporters Without Borders.

"This is the darkest day of the history of the French press," DeLoire said.

Video images on the website of public broadcaster France Televisions showed two gunmen in black at a crossroads who appeared to fire down one of the streets. A cry of "Allahu akbar!" ? Arabic for "God is great"? could be heard among the gunshots.

Luc Poignant of the SBP police union said the attackers left in a waiting car and later switched to another vehicle that had been stolen.

Obama's top spokesman said U.S. officials have been in close contact with the French since the attack. "We know they are not going to be cowed by this terrible act," spokesman Josh Earnest said.

On social media, supporters of militant Islamic groups praised the move. One Twitter user who identified themselves as a Tunisian loyalist of al-Qaida and the Islamic State group called the attack well-deserved revenge against France.

Elsewhere on the Internet, the hashtag #JeSuisCharlie was trending as people expressed support for weekly and for journalistic freedom.

Charlie Hebdo has been repeatedly threatened for its caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad and other controversial sketches. Its offices were firebombed in 2011 after a spoof issue featuring a caricature of the prophet on its cover. Nearly a year later, the publication again published crude Muhammad caricatures, drawing denunciations from around the Muslim world.

Wednesday's attack comes the same day of the release of a book by a celebrated French novelist depicting France's election of its first Muslim president. Hollande had been due to meet with the country's top religious officials later in the day.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... s-28050653

Here's a link to a video of the beginning of the attack (be warned; it's pretty grizzly)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

ETA:

The French Interior Minister just announced that there were three gunmen. The worst thing of all of course, is the fact that these animals are still on the loose. They may very well strike again.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:18 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
There is a war. There is a crusade. It's time the West woke up. Islam is the enemy; Islam is attacking. Islam is the host to a virulent fundamentalism - a friendly host. ISIS is not a parasite but a symbiote.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:21 pm
by Lord Jim
Gen'l, I agree that there is a war, but I have to disagree with the characterization of the whole Muslim world as the enemy.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:29 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
And that's how they get you. Do you people not understand what a friendly host is? Oh, they can utter their "we aren't all like that; we can put flowers out for the dead too". And all the time their schools and their revered leaders give aid and comfort to terrorism and Islamic law. Maybe not here in the U.S. as much but we do still have some semblance of border control, unlike Europe which has ceded the continent to those who would destroy democracy (and any non-Moslems).

This is not in the least like nutters such as Westboro Baptist who are rightly shunned by all thinking and non-thinking Christians and unbelievers alike. Where in the Moslem world (in the USA even) do you see protests against the extremists such as are seen against Westboro, or the KKK or any number of extreme groups. I'm sure there are lots of KKK-type folks who are real nice to dogs and small children. Look what happened to American Indians once they let the Christians in :beat

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:35 pm
by wesw
I agree completely general, and don t believe you said anything about the whole muslim world.

a part of the muslim world is waging holy war, and islam is their vehicle.

I read the original translation of 1001 Nights a few years back and it was eye opening. slavery, treachery, thievery, murder and mysogeny (sp) seem to be the admired themes. little has changed. nice wood cuts tho, I have the first edition, but it s in bad shape....

time to cut loose Saudi Arabia and embrace Canada , I think. let china have them.....

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:25 pm
by Big RR
Where in the Moslem world (in the USA even) do you see protests against the extremists such as are seen against Westboro, or the KKK or any number of extreme groups.

Come on Meade, where in the moslem world are there governments that would even permit such protests? It's kind of like blaming every german for not speaking out against the holocaust; certainly some embraced it, but others did not and could not speak out for fear of arrest, imprisonment, or worse.

Certainly, moderate moslems in the US and other parts of the free world condemn these attacks, and have repeatedly done so.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:31 pm
by wesw
plenty of protests during the "arab Spring", just sayin'.....

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:33 pm
by wesw
...it kinda all goes back to the whole temporary safety versus liberty thing, you can t have both.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:39 pm
by Big RR
wesw wrote:plenty of protests during the "arab Spring", just sayin'.....
And look what happened to a lot of those protestors. It wasn't like the ban on dissent was lifted.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:47 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Big RR wrote:
Where in the Moslem world (in the USA even) do you see protests against the extremists such as are seen against Westboro, or the KKK or any number of extreme groups.

Come on Meade, where in the moslem world are there governments that would even permit such protests? It's kind of like blaming every german for not speaking out against the holocaust; certainly some embraced it, but others did not and could not speak out for fear of arrest, imprisonment, or worse.

Certainly, moderate moslems in the US and other parts of the free world condemn these attacks, and have repeatedly done so.
I was not clear. By "Moslem world" I didn't mean Islamic countries. I meant the Moslem world being created in Europe and the USA . I don't give a rat's patoot how many Moslems wring their hands and say they don't think it's nice what those nasty Moslems are doing. In Europe in particular the Moslem world is a hostile (to democracy and to non-Moslem) force that shelters extreme Islamists - it's a greenhouse for terror, Sharia and oppression. And the Moslems do.... nothing. They host it; they grow it; they encourage it, even if by silence.

"Condemn" shmem. And yes, I do blame every German (then) who did not oppose Hitler for their failure to oppose Hitler. Those who did deserve applause. Those who didn't, they supported the Holocaust - when they came for the gypsies, I said nothing etc.

Wake up - they are going to kill you. And me. And all our pets. If they can. And it begins in Europe which is governed by farts wandering around wringing their hands and wondering how to clutch asps to their bosoms and issue snake warnings without offending anyone.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:49 pm
by wesw
or it could be that many of them simply hate us and want to destroy us utterly.

...well not utterly, they ll need concubines.....

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:49 pm
by Lord Jim
where in the moslem world are there governments that would even permit such protests?
Well, they'd likely be permitted in Jordan and Tunisia...

And probably Egypt, (since the current regime is cracking down on the radical Islamicists itself) also Turkey, (though the current government there wouldn't be thrilled about it)

The one time there actually were large scale protests against the Islamo Fascists that I can recall was in Libya after the attack in Benghazi...

I suspect the larger factor preventing those kinds of public displays isn't fear of the resident regimes so much as fear of reprisals from the radical Islamists...

Which is a legitimate fear...

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:09 pm
by Big RR
Jim--I think it's a little of both fears.

Meade--well, I guess we'll have to disagree. I think the world is big enough that we can encourage and engage dissent and also punish wrongdoing; however, I will not punish people for their beliefs, even if I disagree with them. And face it, there is little any of us can do besides going after people who do illegal acts; as a Christian, what have you done in response to the jerks at Westboro or those who bomb abortion clinics beside condemning them (i.e. wringing your hands and saying you don't think it's right (nice))?

The average moselm in the west does not believe or support terrorism anymore than the average Christian supports those acts. Should they be more vocal in their condemnation of them? Probably; but when many characterize the current situation as a war against islam where moslems are marginalized and treated with suspicion just because of their religion, we don't actually encourage that dissent, do we. This is a war against jerks; jerks are present in every country and walk of life and religion, and we should pursue the jerks, while reaching out to others who could help us in that pursuit. But sadly, many of us just want to see this as a war against a particular religion (much as Hitler did when he said the jews came in, established their communities, encouraged religious courts, and engaged in economic terrorism that would eventually wind up destroying our way of life).

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:15 pm
by wesw
i haven t heard anyone say anything about a war against islam.

they (italics) are waging the holy war. by they, i mean the radicals, in which group i include the Saudi royal family.

personally, i think we could settle things with iran, and most of the shi ite communities.

the sunnis are another thing altogether

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:18 pm
by Big RR
Wes--from Meade's first post in this thread
There is a war. There is a crusade. It's time the West woke up. Islam is the enemy
How do you interpret it other than stating this is a war against islam?

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:20 pm
by wesw
he is saying that holy war is being waged against us, and that we had better wake up to that fact.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:24 pm
by Big RR
Well, I see it as saying that this is a war against islam; a war needs to sides--us and the enemy (which he characterizes as islam). Meade--if you did not intend to make that statement or if I misunderstood it, an explanation would be appreciated.

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:28 pm
by wesw
well if holy war is being waged against us shouldn t we fight against the wagers of such a war?

it would be kinda useless to go kick Canada s ass for it

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:44 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Big RR wrote:Well, I see it as saying that this is a war against islam; a war needs to sides--us and the enemy (which he characterizes as islam). Meade--if you did not intend to make that statement or if I misunderstood it, an explanation would be appreciated.
Specious and disingenuous. Lord, wesw had no trouble with understanding. Why cut off the quote where it suits?
There is a war. There is a crusade. It's time the West woke up. Islam is the enemy; Islam is attacking
Emphasis added (on the words you left out). Islam is attacking - it's their war - it's their crusade against Europe. First, floods of immigrants. Then radicalization. Then take-over. And the immigrants host the radicals now.

We sit here in the USA amidst splendid liberal isolationism - blindness to the reality of what is happening in Europe. As for Westboro, if such arise here, within my community, within my religious affiliation (Christian) you can bet I'll be on the streets. I've done that enough times in the past but I'm not going to make a bus trip to Kansas or wherever in buttf**k they live when there's plenty of people already dealing with it. Same with the KKK - they don't seem to be around anywhere much these days but I've done the anti-National Front thing in the UK when they were in my neighborhood.

Do you really miss the point that here in the USA people deal with these threats (most of which are penny ante stuff) as they do in Europe - if they are not Moslem? Over there, the Moslems take care of their own all right - hence terror attacks, Sharia no-go areas in the heart of British and continental cities, government mollycoddling and welfare feeding of enemy non-combatants because that's what they are.

Stop 'em coming in. Throw 'em out. If they like Islamic rule, let them go live in it. Profiling is a good word.

Or maybe not
:shrug

Re: Terrorist Attack In Paris

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:48 pm
by wesw
meade , your American expressions need some work....

...its not buttf*****d, it s bumfuckt...., Egypt

...and please don t call me Lord Wes. :)