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This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:18 pm
by Lord Jim
ISIS has found a way to sink to an even lower level of depravity:
LONDON — ISIS militants released a video on Tuesday purporting to show a captive Jordanian pilot being burned alive in a cage, just days after the militants beheaded a Japanese journalist. Jordan's king cut short his visit to Washington, D.C., following the video's release.
Lt. Muath al Kasasbeh was on a bombing run over Syria in December when he was forced to eject and was immediately captured by ISIS fighters. His continued captivity — and ISIS threats to murder him — have been a national trauma for Jordan.
A 22-minute video released by the al-Furqan Media Foundation — one of the official media arms of ISIS — shows Kasasbeh with a black eye at a table and later, standing in a cage as he is burned alive. The tape appears consistent with other ISIS videos, according to Flashpoint Intelligence, a global security firm and NBC News consultant.
While the video bears some similarities to previous hostage videos, it also bears some notable differences. Like previous murdered hostages, Kasasbeh is pictured in an orange jumpsuit. But instead of black-clad fighters wielding knives, he is surrounded by militants in sand-colored balaclavas and camouflage.
One militant lights a torch and a trail leading toward a cage holding the jumpsuit clad Kasasbeh. The pilot raises his hands to his head and screams as he is engulfed by flames. A tractor then dumps rocks and sand onto the cage to extinguish the blaze.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... ot-n299361
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:38 pm
by Big RR
Not much to add to that; absolutely disgusting.
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:36 pm
by Gob
Nothing to say.
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:56 pm
by Sue U
Lord Jim wrote:ISIS has found a way to sink to an even lower level of depravity:
LONDON — ISIS militants released a video on Tuesday purporting to show a captive Jordanian pilot being burned alive in a cage, just days after the militants beheaded a Japanese journalist. Jordan's king cut short his visit to Washington, D.C., following the video's release.
Lt. Muath al Kasasbeh was on a bombing run over Syria in December when he was forced to eject and was immediately captured by ISIS fighters. His continued captivity — and ISIS threats to murder him — have been a national trauma for Jordan.
A 22-minute video released by the al-Furqan Media Foundation — one of the official media arms of ISIS — shows Kasasbeh with a black eye at a table and later, standing in a cage as he is burned alive. The tape appears consistent with other ISIS videos, according to Flashpoint Intelligence, a global security firm and NBC News consultant.
While the video bears some similarities to previous hostage videos, it also bears some notable differences. Like previous murdered hostages, Kasasbeh is pictured in an orange jumpsuit. But instead of black-clad fighters wielding knives, he is surrounded by militants in sand-colored balaclavas and camouflage.
One militant lights a torch and a trail leading toward a cage holding the jumpsuit clad Kasasbeh. The pilot raises his hands to his head and screams as he is engulfed by flames. A tractor then dumps rocks and sand onto the cage to extinguish the blaze.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... ot-n299361
I note in passing that not once in the quoted story did the writer need to use the words "terrorist," "jihadi," "Islamist" or "extremist," and yet the accuracy and truth of the item are wholly intact and undistorted.
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:19 pm
by wesw
ISIS stands for Islamic state in irag and Syria, so you are wrong about that.....
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:24 pm
by Lord Jim
I note in passing that not once in the quoted story did the writer need to use the words "terrorist," "jihadi," "Islamist" or "extremist,"
And I would note that since "ISIS" (The
Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) is a well known extremist, Islamist jihadi terrorist group, (and is regularly described with some combination of those terms in the press, and has been for months) those terms are all implied...
If there was a story about KKK members doing some nefarious deed, you really wouldn't need to use the word "racist" for readers to understand that you're talking about racists....
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:26 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
If there was a story about KKK members doing some nefarious deed, you really wouldn't need to use the word "racist" for readers to understand that you're talking about racists....
I think that was the point... wasn't it?
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:41 pm
by rubato
wesw wrote:ISIS stands for Islamic state in irag and Syria, so you are wrong about that.....
That is the name they give themselves. Thus they are still following the style book rules. So you are wrong.
Yes,
Rubato
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:44 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
... and furthermore, if the BBC did something evil you couldn't say that because the first B stands for British that means all the British are given a bad name.
Teeth, perhaps.
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:17 am
by BoSoxGal
MajGenl.Meade wrote:If there was a story about KKK members doing some nefarious deed, you really wouldn't need to use the word "racist" for readers to understand that you're talking about racists....
I think that was the point... wasn't it?

Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:18 am
by wesw
president Obama did better today. he called them an "organization" with "whatever ideology they have"
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:04 am
by rubato
The unconsciousness with which they do things which guarantee their own destruction is a marvel. And very encouraging. Everyone across the whole religious and political spectrum agrees that they are evil. It is almost as if they are aliens who lack human sensibilities and don't know how deeply loathsome their brutality is.
yrs,
rubato
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:44 am
by Gob
Islamic State: Can its savagery be explained?
Since the sudden appearance of the extremist Sunni Islamic State (IS), the group has seized headlines with a shocking level of blood-letting and cruelty - but can its savagery be explained, asks Fawaz A Gerges.
Islamic State has become synonymous with viciousness - beheadings, crucifixions, stonings, massacres, burying victims alive and religious and ethnic cleansing. While such savagery might seem senseless to the vast majority of civilised human beings, for IS it is a rational choice. It is a conscious decision to terrorise enemies and impress and co-opt new recruits.
IS adheres to a doctrine of total war without limits and constraints - no such thing, for instance, as arbitration or compromise when it comes to settling disputes with even Sunni Islamist rivals. Unlike its parent organisation, al-Qaeda, IS pays no lip service to theology to justify its crimes. The violence has its roots in what can be identified as two earlier waves, though the scale and intensity of IS' brutality far exceeds either. The first wave, led by disciples of Sayyid Qutb - a radical Egyptian Islamist regarded as the master theoretician of modern jihadism - targeted pro-Western secular Arab regimes or what they called the "near enemy", and, on balance, showed restraint in the use of political violence.
Beginning with the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in 1980, this Islamist insurgency dissipated by the end of the 1990s. It had cost some 2,000 lives and saw a large number of militants head to Afghanistan to battle a new global enemy - the Soviet Union.
The Afghan jihad against the Soviets gave birth to a second wave, with a specific target - the "far enemy", or the United States and, to a lesser extent, Europe. It was spearheaded by a wealthy Saudi turned revolutionary, Osama Bin Laden. Bin Laden went to great lengths to rationalise al-Qaeda's attack on the US on 11 September 2001, calling it "defensive jihad", or retaliation against perceived US domination of Muslim societies. Conscious of the importance of winning hearts and minds, Bin Laden sold his message to Muslims and even Americans as self-defence, not aggression.
This kind of justification, however, carries no weight with IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who cannot care less what the world thinks of his blood-letting. In fact, he and his cohorts revel in displaying barbarity and coming across as savage. In contrast to the first two waves, IS actually stresses violent action over theology and theory, and has produced no repertoire of ideas to sustain and nourish its social base. It is a killing machine powered by blood and iron. Going beyond Bin Laden's doctrine that "when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse", al-Baghdadi's "victory through terrorism" signals to friends and foes that IS is a winning horse. Get out of the way or you will be crushed; join our caravan and make history.
Increasing evidence shows that over the past few months, hundreds, if not thousands, of diehard former Islamist enemies of IS, such as the al-Nusra Front and the Islamic Front, answered al-Baghdadi's call.
IS' sophisticated outreach campaign appeals to disaffected and deluded young Sunnis worldwide because it is seen as a powerful vanguard that delivers victory and salvation. Far from abhorring the group's brutality, young recruits are attracted by its shock-and-awe tactics against the enemies of Islam. Its exploits on the battlefield - especially capturing huge swathes of territory in Syria and Iraq, and establishing a caliphate - resonate near and far. Nothing succeeds like success, and IS' recent military gains have brought it a recruitment bonanza. Muslim men living in Western countries join IS and other extremist groups because they feel part of a greater mission - to resurrect a lost idealised type of caliphate and be part of a tight-knit community with a potent identity.
Initially, many young men from London, Berlin and Paris and elsewhere migrate to the lands of jihad to defend persecuted co-religionists, but they end up in the clutches of IS, doing its evil deeds, such as beheading innocent civilians. The drivers behind IS' unrestrained extremism can be traced to its origins with al-Qaeda in Iraq, led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed by the Americans in 2006. Not unlike its predecessor, IS is nourished on an anti-Shia diet and visceral hatred of minorities in general, portraying itself as the spearhead of Sunni Arabs in the fight against sectarian-based regimes in Baghdad and Damascus. Al-Zarqawi and al-Baghdadi view Shias as infidels, a fifth column in the heart of Islam that must be wiped out - a genocidal worldview.
Following in the footsteps of al-Zarqawi, al-Baghdadi ignored repeated pleas by his mentor Ayman al-Zawahiri, head of al-Qaeda, and other top militants to avoid indiscriminate killing of Shia and, instead, to attack the Shia-dominated and Alawite regimes in Iraq and Syria.
By exploiting the deepening Sunni-Shia rift in Iraq and the sectarian civil war in Syria, al-Baghdadi has built a powerful base of support among rebellious Sunnis and has blended his group into local communities.
He also restructured his military network and co-opted experienced officers of Saddam Hussein's disbanded army who turned IS into a professional sectarian fighting force. IS has so far consistently focused on the Shia and not the "far enemy". The struggle against the US and Europe is distant, not a priority; it has to await liberation at home. At the height of Israeli bombings of Gaza in August, militants on social media criticised IS for killing Muslims while doing nothing to help the Palestinians. IS retorted by saying the struggle against the Shia takes priority over everything else.
Now that the US and Europe have joined the conflict against IS, the group will use all its assets in retaliation, including further beheading of hostages. There is also a growing likelihood that it will attack soft diplomatic targets in the Middle East. While it might want to stage a spectacular operation on the American or European homeland, it is doubtful that IS currently has the capabilities to carry out complex attacks like 9/11. A few months ago, in response to chatter by his followers, al-Baghdadi acknowledged that his organisation was not equipped to attack the Americans at home. He said though that he wished the US would deploy boots on the ground so that IS could directly engage the Americans - and kill them.
Fawaz A Gerges holds the Emirates Chair in Contemporary Middle Eastern Studies at the London School of Economics and Political Science. He is author of several books, including Journey of the Jihadist: Inside Muslim Militancy.
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:29 am
by liberty
I agree with Rub they are aliens. My wife calls them monsters. It was a Free Assyrian Army unit commander who said it best when briefing his troops for battle against them. He said, remember the people are going to fight are not human being. In other words don’t let yourself be captured.
Re: This Would Not Have Seemed Possible...
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:12 pm
by rubato
The Nazis, the Soviets, and the N. Koreans knew well enough that their actions would be repellant to the rest of the world and tried to hide them and lie to cover them up. Isis tries to publish them as widely as possible. Wow.
Now Jordan and probably some other countries in the region are enraged to the point they are ramping up military action against Isis. I'll be young Jordanian men are lining up to volunteer against them. I doubt if even the usually reliable anti-war faction in the US and Europe can muster any effort against killing them as quickly as possible. The Japanese are ready to send military units. This kind of political unanimity is a real blessing. Lets use it.
yrs,
rubato