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Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:30 am
by rubato
Ideas too bad to even try.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/upsho ... 0002&abg=1

States Consider Increasing Taxes for the Poor and Cutting Them for the Affluent

FEB. 13, 2015

Shaila Dewan

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A number of Republican-led states are considering tax changes that in many cases would have the effect of cutting taxes on the rich and raising them on the poor.

Conservatives are known for hating taxes but particularly hate income taxes, which they say have a greater dampening effect on growth. Of the 10 or so Republican governors who have proposed tax increases, nearly all have called for increases in consumption taxes, which hit the poor and middle class harder than the rich.

Favorite targets for the new taxes include gas, e-cigarettes, and goods and services in general. Gov. Paul R. LePage of Maine, who wants to start taxing movie tickets and haircuts, is also proposing a tax break for the lowest-income families to relieve some of the pressure.

At the same time, some of those governors — most notably Mr. LePage, Nikki R. Haley of South Carolina and John R. Kasich of Ohio — have proposed significant cuts to their state income tax. They say that tax policies that encourage business growth provide more jobs and economic benefits for everyone.
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Gov. Paul LePage of Maine wants to decrease income taxes and increase sales taxes. Credit Robert F. Bukaty/Associated Press

A new report suggests that these states could be creating financial problems down the road. The strategy of shifting from income taxes to consumption taxes has caused huge budget shortfalls in Kansas and, more recently, North Carolina, which announced a budget shortfall of nearly half a billion dollars.

One reason, according to the report from the Keystone Research Center and Good Jobs First, two left-leaning think tanks, is that just as the tax burden has shifted away from the wealthy, the wealthy have received a huge share of income growth in recent years.

So this is what compassionate conservatism looks like? Where is the ecumenical community on this? Do we have no basic moral responsibility...

While the bottom fifth of earners pay more than 10 percent of their income in state and local taxes, the top 1 percent pays closer to 5 percent, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy estimates. Percentage of income is, of course, only one way to measure the tax burden — in sheer dollar terms, the wealthy pay far more than the poor. Still, the Keystone report’s authors, Greg LeRoy and Stephen Herzenberg, argue that a less regressive tax code is the answer to state budget woes, in what is basically a sophisticated pitch for a millionaire’s tax. “It’s time to have a clear debate about the impact of inequality on public finance,” Mr. LeRoy said.

Taxing the top fifth of earners at the same rate as the middle class would bring in $200.5 billion to state and local coffers, the report says. Taxing just the top 1 percent at the same rate as the middle class would bring in $88.5 billion, 10 times the amount needed to restore five years’ worth of cuts to higher education. The report also breaks it down state by state, saying that Texas and Florida, at the top of the list, would raise about $40 billion each if they taxed the top 20 percent at the middle-class rate, while Kansas and North Carolina would raise about $2 billion each.

“We wanted to connect the dots for people,” said Mr. Herzenberg, an economist at Keystone. “If more money’s flowing to the top, and the top folks are taxed at lower rates, inevitably that’s a problem for state budgets.”

Some experiments are too cruel and too stupid to attempt.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:19 am
by rubato
Policy so bad that even Republican voters cannot defend it.





yrs,
rubato

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:29 am
by Joe Guy
The policy is so bad that even a republican living in San Francisco or an amateur photographer in Australia wouldn't be able to defend it.

yrs,

trollato

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:19 am
by BoSoxGal
Paul LePage is the worst thing to happen to Maine in my lifetime, if not ever. He also wants to remove the exemption from property taxes for nonprofits - so battered women's shelters, homeless shelters, etc. can dig into their deep pockets and fork over property taxes at the same rate as private property owners.

He is the result of an arrogant asshole attorney (Eliot Cutler) who just had to run as an Independent candidate, thus ensuring LePage's election and recent re-election by splitting the progressive vote.

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Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:43 am
by Crackpot
I've come to the realization that the reason the left is so keen on gun control is that they can't avoid shooting themselves in the foot

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:22 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
I think taxing the poor is a good idea. The poor you will always have with you. The rich are damn difficult to locate.

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:21 pm
by Lord Jim
I'm sorry, I meant to comment; rube I wanted to give you a compliment:
Favorite targets for the new taxes include gas
Rube I'm delighted to see that you finally realize what a bad idea high gas taxes are; I'm glad to see that you no longer hate the working poor.... :ok

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:23 pm
by rubato
zero

A policy so obviously bad and harmful that no one even tried to justify it. Yet it is the national platform of the Republican party, it is what they are trying to do with the federal laws and these same idiots will still vote for them. Why?

There are slaves who refuse to run away and there are mental slaves who cannot change their opinions no matter what evidence is presented against them.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:38 am
by Lord Jim
So is that a "yes" or "no" on whether or not you still support higher gas taxes?

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:06 pm
by rubato
Still zero attempts to defend the policy.

If you wish to start a thread about gas taxes you can do so. Changing the subject is just your usual weak-ass lying bullshit.



You have all proven that Republicans major economic initiative is indefensibly stupid. Thanks!



yrs,
rubato

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:23 pm
by Lord Jim
So you won't answer the question, which I assume means that you do still support higher gas taxes, and continue to hate the working poor, but don't want to admit it.
If you wish to start a thread about gas taxes you can do so
Higher gas taxes were cited in the article you posted in your OP as an example of a consumption tax that the evil treasonous Republicans were supporting that would hurt working people. Of course it's understandable that you wouldn't know this, since (as is your usual MO) you probably never actually read the article before you copied and pasted it. (Just like you obviously never read the article about the reception the Imam received at the rodeo before you posted it in thread you started for the purpose of bashing Texans.)

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:34 pm
by rubato
More of the 'nothing new' under the sun. Unless your entire defense of this policy has to do with the gas tax portion of it? A tiny fraction?


Zero.


How stupid do you have to be to support a party whose actions you cannot defend?




yrs,
rubato

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:36 pm
by Lord Jim
Why do you continue to hate the working poor?

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:43 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Nervo and Knox.... tell me about them without googling... Oh go ahead and look then.

Re: Kakotopia Unbound

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:51 pm
by wesw
why would jim want to defend positions that I have never heard him advocate? I don t mind a good troll post, but at least work to make it a good one. this isn t MSNBC. we aren t all uninformed 20 somethings here.

go for quality, not quantity rube.

besides, aren t you the guy who wants to tax food and gas and consumption as a way to control the filthy masses and guide them , with all your wisdom, to the proper path?

can you say transference boys and girls?