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32.3 Million have better health care because of Obamacare..

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http://www.vox.com/2015/2/23/8094831/ob ... gaba-chart
Obamacare’s 32 million insured, in one giant chart

Updated by Ezra Klein on February 23, 2015, 7:00 p.m. ET @ezraklein
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No one has tracked Obamacare enrollment as closely and comprehensively as blogger Charles Gaba. His spreadsheets have become gospel to reporters trying to follow the law's progress. His projections have been eerily accurate. And he's been utterly tireless in his efforts to collect, interpret, and understand the dozens of messy data sources that combine to offer a full picture of coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

Obamacare's 2015 open enrollment period ended on February 15. Since then, Gaba has been pulling the numbers, and on Monday, he released his results. "Now that every state (except for Idaho) has been updated through at least February 15th," he wrote, "here, once again, is the complete 2015 ACA enrollment graph, showing the rough breakout of all 32.3 million people whose current healthcare coverage is either wholly or partly due specifically to the Affordable Care Act."

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A few definitions will be helpful: a QHP is a qualified health plan — a health insurance plan that meets Obamacare's standards. They can be sold on or off the exchanges. Medicaid "woodworkers" are people who were eligible for Medicaid even without Obamacare but are thought to have signed up because of the law's push for coverage. The SHOP exchanges are where participating small businesses purchase insurance.

As the inclusion of Medicaid woodworkers suggests, Gaba's definition of insurance relying on Obamacare is broad — but that's why his chart is so helpful. By including, but clearly delineating, every possible source of coverage, Gaba offers an unusually clear picture of both of the disparate mechanisms of coverage under the law and of their relative impact.

All in all, Gaba estimates that in 2015 32.3 million people will have health insurance that relies wholly or in part on Obamacare.

But it's important to be clear about what this doesn't mean: that Obamacare has insured 32 million previously uninsured people. Gaba estimates that "around 19 million already had some form of insurance coverage. Around 11 million were uninsured prior to January 2014, and around another 2 million were uninsured prior to January 2015."

One interesting wildcard for Gaba's projections: the White House is going to reopen enrollment for people who slam into the individual mandate while filing their taxes this year. It's unlikely that will make a huge difference in sign-ups, but with the penalty rising to up to two percent of income, it might.


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Confirmed 2015 QHPs: 11,447,705 as of 2/23/15
Estimated: 11.73M (9.03M via HCgov) as of 2/23/15
state-level targets (revised)
Estimated 2015 ACA Policy Enrollment: 32.3M
(10.4M Exchange QHPs, 7.8M OFF-Exchange QHPs, 200K SHOP, 13.9M Medicaid/CHIP)

FINAL 2014 QHPs (as of 11/14/14): 6.7M Current / 8.4M PAID / 9.6M Total
TOTAL: 6.7M Exchange QHPs, 8.0M Off-Exchange QHPs, 10.7M Medicaid/CHIP, 2.0M assorted

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My premiums just doubled, almost to the penny.... so 99.99999999975 increase. And I've been struggling since November 11 to get a replacement CPAP and mask only to be told yesterday that the Sleep Center only did a single tritration rather than a split study so no CPAP for YOU! Now of course, that's nothing to do with AHCA - it's a problem on the medical provider side of the fence. But just as it's reasonable for some folks to abuse anyone who disagrees with them, so too I can declare, hand on heart (which is about to fail due to lack of sleep etc), that democrats hate mouth-breathers! There. I said it. We now return you to your regularly scheduled demagoguery.
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out of the 40 million who had no insurance before Obama care, how many are left without?

30 million.

single payer is the real answer, if we want to provide health care as a right.

welfare for insurance companies is all we have achieved so far.

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I just heard yesterday that Montana is extending open enrollment to March 15, because people whose heads are buried in the sand didn't realize they had to sign up or pay a penalty. I'm excited that they are extending - I helped a neighbor get signed up before the last deadline and was gratified to be involved in that process.

We DO need single payer, but until we can tackle the insurance industry lobby, this is a reasonable first step.
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I disagree, this is state-mandated extortion, in my opinion, letting the diseased tick, that is the insurance industry, burrow deeper into our very soul, but I don t want to be melodramatic.....

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If Ezra Klein says so, then who are we to question. But, if 32.3 million are better off and about 30 million still don't have insurance, then that leaves about 270 million who are paying the bill.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:My premiums just doubled, almost to the penny.... so 99.99999999975 increase. And I've been struggling since November 11 to get a replacement CPAP and mask only to be told yesterday that the Sleep Center only did a single tritration rather than a split study so no CPAP for YOU! Now of course, that's nothing to do with AHCA - it's a problem on the medical provider side of the fence. But just as it's reasonable for some folks to abuse anyone who disagrees with them, so too I can declare, hand on heart (which is about to fail due to lack of sleep etc), that democrats hate mouth-breathers! There. I said it. We now return you to your regularly scheduled demagoguery.
But didn't you save significant money anyway based on your previous costs?

None of my clients have had cost increases even close to that --- 10-14% is what I've been hearing. My own premium went up a couple (4) dollars. It's back to where it was 2 years ago...
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Gender neutral! Did I save?! Didn't I just!

My premiums have gone from $112/month rocketing up to $223.08/month.

But it's the principle of the thing.

And one of the drivers behind my need for at least a part-time job when I thought it was safe to say out of the water.
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Guin--mine went up about 35%, but there are some differences in coverage; factoring that in, my costs probably went up 25%, a little over the 10-15% a year before ACA. Now I'm lucky because I can get a group together, but there are many small businesses that do not so qualify and those persons could not get coverage for preexisting conditions absent the ACA; I think an additional 10-15% is fair for that--I pay taxes for things that are a lot less effective and help far fewer people.

I do agree with wes that the system is pretty stupid and we should have single payer (or at least a single payer option), but since the republicans blocked/democrats ducked that, I'll settle for what we could get.

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that leaves about 270 million who are paying the bill
the same 270 million who paid the bill before through charity care, public health costs, and the costs to society and business for persons who are sick not having access to health care until the condition becomes acute (and much more expensive to treat). I'd rather give people access to preventative care and treat conditions before that point.

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Well I wrote a beautiful, articulate, concise reply and PlanB decide to chew it up and spit it out.

And actually, I've been having issues staying logged in lately -- both at work (IE whatever the latest) and at home (iOS). Any ideas oh Administrators??
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The ACA is the closest thing to single-payer which it was possible to get passed in congress. And it is a useful transition to single-payer.


And if we had passed single-payer the Repuglicans would be trying even harder to kill it.


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MajGenl.Meade wrote:My premiums just doubled, almost to the penny.... so 99.99999999975 increase. And I've been struggling since November 11 to get a replacement CPAP and mask only to be told yesterday that the Sleep Center only did a single tritration rather than a split study so no CPAP for YOU! Now of course, that's nothing to do with AHCA - it's a problem on the medical provider side of the fence. But just as it's reasonable for some folks to abuse anyone who disagrees with them, so too I can declare, hand on heart (which is about to fail due to lack of sleep etc), that democrats hate mouth-breathers! There. I said it. We now return you to your regularly scheduled demagoguery.

Losing weight can eliminate the need for CPAP. It looks uncomfortable anyway;

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A colleague started CPAP a few years ago and it really helped him a lot; he went from a negative, cynical, bitter conservative to a negative cynical bitter conservative with a somewhat brighter affect. Night and Day, I'm telling you. Although he complains about the expense since our employer-provided HP has been crapped-out (4 thou$ands in deductibles/person and more thou$ands in co-pays a year).


Go see a nutritionist. They can help you work out a diet that you like and will take weight off. Its easily worth the money.


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I started on the CPAP back in the late 80s when weight wasn't an issue - it is now, of course. The collapse of airway muscle (?) was a main problem. It would have been better to try the operation first (70% success rate) than to go CPAP (95%) perhaps but I didn't want to take time off work - and no surgery is risk free. Anyway, for the past umpty ump years I've paid for it myself. Now since November 11 I've had this struggle even to get a mask. Yesterday I found out that Aprea would sell me one because they can see I do have a doctor's order authorizing it... how generous when we used to be able to get them by mail order using the interwebs.

Ah well - only another few months and we'll be on Medicare.
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You cannot possibly need an Rx just to get a mask that you pay for; tell them you're a woodworker with an allergy to nut woods (walnut, hickory &c) and you need to use it for that.


I know, there's a lot of things avail. for veterinary use OTC which are Rx for humans; tell them its for your pet monkey!


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oh yeah? try to get a hardshell back brace without a prescription....

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rubato wrote:You cannot possibly need an Rx just to get a mask that you pay for. rubato
That was true in the past, rubato. No more. I picked a site at random and it confirms what I was told in person when I walked into a medequip storefront to buy a mask and as my doctor confirmed:
A prescription is required for the purchase of certain products on this site including masks, humidifiers, and machines. Prescriptions can be emailed
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The ACA is the closest thing to single-payer which it was possible to get passed in congress.
Perhaps, but IMHO the Dems conceded far too early that single payer was not achievable and that there should not be a government option.
And it is a useful transition to single-payer.
to the extent it involves the federal government in broad based healthcare, perhaps; but it is just as likely that this bastardized system will continue. Indeed, your statement is like saying self directed retirement accounts invested in the stock market is a useful transition to social security as we know it.
And if we had passed single-payer the Repuglicans would be trying even harder to kill it.
Some would, but I think to would be much harder to take pot shots at the system; single payer has the attractiveness of simplicity--the current ACA system is a poorly cobbled together mishmash of laws which will need continuous tweaking well into the future. And the current system has very little in the way of cost control, either of healthcare providers or the price of pharmaceuticals, so costs are just guaranteed to rise year after year. When costs spiral, as they undoubtedly will, and premiums skyrocket, I think a lot of people may well listen to the republicans.

That's my biggest fear; the ACA was out best chance at universal health care, and its problems may well sink the program and any chance again for it in out lifetimes.

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thanks RR, I could not have said it any better. I started to type a response but thought the effort of rebutting his assumptions to be pointless. his views seem to be set in stone.

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Big RR wrote:
The ACA is the closest thing to single-payer which it was possible to get passed in congress.
Perhaps, but IMHO the Dems conceded far too early that single payer was not achievable and that there should not be a government option.

The Republican rejection of RomneyCare proves that their calculation was correct as does the fact that it passed, barely, with only Dem votes. To get a single-payer out of congress you would have to convert all of the Blue Dog democrats into real democrats and have a Dem majority and get it out of the Senate w/o a veto; there was zero chance of this happening in 20 years. This was the first chance to pass ANY kind of HC reform since the early 90s, a decade and a half.

If someone had been laying the groundwork for single-payer by keeping it in the national debate on HC over the prior 40 years it would be different. But in the current circumstances they did a miraculous job getting this through.

SocSec was a deeply flawed system when it was begun as well and has only been gradually improved piece by piece, since then.


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