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A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:06 pm
by Lord Jim
I understand the Chappaquiddick exhibit is particularly impressive...

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Obama, Biden honor Ted Kennedy, help open Senate museum

President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama and Vice President Joe Biden and a host of other dignitaries traveled to Boston Monday to pay tribute to the late Sen. Edward Kennedy and help open an institute devoted to the Senate.

The Edward M. Kennedy Institute for the United States Senate, a $78 million museum which boasts a life-size replica of the Senate chamber, officially opens to the public Tuesday.

Kennedy’s widow, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, introduced Obama, noting that Kennedy recruited Obama as a senator to the committee he chaired.

“The Senate was a place where you instinctively pulled yourself up a little bit straighter,”[and swam a little stronger] Obama said. “It fills you with a heightened sense of purpose. That’s the magic of the Senate. That’s the essence of what it can be.

“We live in a time of such great cynicism about our institutions, and we are cynical about government and Washington most of all… And this place can help change that,” he said.

And while Obama said it was not the time “to suggest a slew of new ideas for reform,” he said he would suggest “just one.”

“What if we carried ourselves more like Ted Kennedy? What if we worked to follow his example a little bit harder?” he asked.

The museum comes at a time when Congress is having trouble passing bills and public opinion of lawmakers sinks. It is designed to teach students how the Senate works and, perhaps, get them interested in serving in government.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/03/30/2 ... rylink=cpy
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Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:09 pm
by rubato
Have a smoke, it will help you relax. And you can think about all the things Reagan did to reduce the numbers of old people in the world.:

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Sure, he could have sold heroin instead but its less addicting, not nearly as lethal, and there is a fuckload more money selling cigarettes. And that is the real "American Way".

yrs,
rubato

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:25 pm
by Lord Jim
I'm sorry, did you have point?

Ronald Reagan made an ad for cigarettes in the 1950s...(you seem to be in love with that ad rube; you've been re-posting it for years as though it should mean something...)

Ted Kennedy got drunk, drove off a bridge and left a young woman to die in his car, and then spent hours consulting with other people before finally contacting the police...

Not really getting the analogy there...

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:14 pm
by rubato
Ted Kennedy made one mistake on one day. A mistake, to be sure, and one I have condemned him for.

Reagan whored for the most addictive and most harmful substance humans have ever discovered. And he did it for years and years and years. And he did it for money.

Which would be more shameful if your daughter did it?

Grow a sense of perspective, if you can.


yrs,
rubato

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:23 pm
by Big RR
A mistake, rubato. Driving off a bridge, killing a young woman, and leaving her at the bottom of the channel (indeed, possible to even die) while he went home to consult his spin doctors is a mistake? I think it's far worse than a mere mistake.

Not that it makes anything anyone else (including Reagan) did that was wrong any better, but what Teddy did was hardly a mistake.

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:33 pm
by rubato
Big RR wrote:A mistake, rubato. Driving off a bridge, killing a young woman, and leaving her at the bottom of the channel (indeed, possible to even die) while he went home to consult his spin doctors is a mistake? I think it's far worse than a mere mistake.

Not that it makes anything anyone else (including Reagan) did that was wrong any better, but what Teddy did was hardly a mistake.

Grow a sense of perspective yourself.

He left a party, probably a bit drunk, or more than a bit, drove off a bridge and managed to save his own life (something of a feat under the circs). She was dead within 5 minutes +/- of immersion and we don't know how much she had to drink either. I would say that a stupid mistake while drunk is not even in the same league as whoring for big tobacco for many years and for many thousands of dollars and in the end enslaving and killing hundreds of thousands of people. But I have a sense of perspective.

When he challenged for the nomination against Carter I said I would never vote for him for president. But he is not as evil as Reagan. Not in this life or the next.


yrs,
rubato

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:38 pm
by Big RR
No, you let your politics cloud your judgment, as many others do. And that is your prerogative.

As for what Reagan did, the guy was an actor not a scientist, and in no better position to appreciate the dangers of smoking than anyone else. And I sincerely doubt many, or even any, people said--"Gee, the star of Bedtime for Bonzo likes Chesterfield so they must be good, safe, and for me"

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:38 pm
by Lord Jim
As for what Reagan did, the guy was an actor not a scientist, and in no better position to appreciate the dangers of smoking than anyone else.
Big RR, that's the kind of commonsense we just won't put up with around here... 8-)

And Ted Kennedy didn't make "a" mistake that day, he made a whole series of decisions that showed a lack of character and callousness ...

Everything he did in the hours after he made the "mistake" of getting loaded and driving off that bridge, shows a man who was thinking about one thing and one thing only....

Himself....
and we don't know how much she had to drink either.
As if that should even matter...

God what a shill... :roll:

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:58 pm
by BoSoxGal
Why doesn't it matter? If Mary Jo was drinking and made the decision to get in a car with a drunk driver, she bears some responsibility for her own death. (No excuses made for Kennedy's behavior, which was reprehensible.)

Ms. Kopekne should not be sainted and free from relevant scrutiny, just because Kennedy is a sinner.

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:59 pm
by rubato
Big RR wrote:No, you let your politics cloud your judgment, as many others do. And that is your prerogative.

As for what Reagan did, the guy was an actor not a scientist, and in no better position to appreciate the dangers of smoking than anyone else. And I sincerely doubt many, or even any, people said--"Gee, the star of Bedtime for Bonzo likes Chesterfield so they must be good, safe, and for me"


No, I have a sense of morals.


Being paid to enslave people to a drug which will certainly cripple and kill them over the decades is worse than than a stupid act taken in a drunken moment in time.


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rubaot

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:14 pm
by Lord Jim
If Mary Jo was drinking and made the decision to get in a car with a drunk driver, she bears some responsibility for her own death.
And if he'd raped her, would you say she bore responsibility for the rape?

BSG, ordinarily I'd think you'd be just about the last person to "blame the victim", but considering the context I guess it's not all that surprising...
a stupid act taken in a drunken moment in time.
LOL :D

You haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention have you rube? :lol:

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:27 pm
by Joe Guy
rubato wrote:No, I have a sense of morals.


Being paid to enslave people to a drug which will certainly cripple and kill them over the decades is worse than than a stupid act taken in a drunken moment in time.

yrs,
rubaot
So, people with morals believe that Reagan was responsible for innumerable deaths and all that Kennedy did was akin to misspelling his own name.

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:34 pm
by Lord Jim
Let's all hate on...

Dennis Morgan:

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Willie Mays:

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Alan Ladd:

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John Lund:

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Anne Baxter:

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Babe Ruth:

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Jackie Robinson:

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Barbara Stanwyck:

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Joan Crawford:

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Kirk Douglas:

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Joan Fontane:

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Tyrone Power:

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And the most infamous enslaver and crippler of them all....

Fred Flintstone!:

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Total number of people who were left to die in cars by these folks:

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Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:30 am
by Econoline
OK, Jim...you've got me convinced! I definitely won't be voting for Teddy for President next year!

ETA: and yeah, rubato...you've convinced me too: I won't vote for Reagan in '16 either.

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:30 am
by Lord Jim
I definitely won't be voting for Teddy for President next year
But feel free to visit his museum...

Afterall, you paid for it.... :ok

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:25 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I wanna see that life-size replica of the Senate chamber.
She was dead within 5 minutes +/- of immersion
Slowly drowning to death is a really nice way to go. Especially knowing that there is someone close by who could have helped you. :loon
Why doesn't it matter? If Mary Jo was drinking and made the decision to get in a car with a drunk driver, she bears some responsibility for her own death.
Back then drunk driving was not considered the "cardinal sin" it is now. I don't remember any kind of "designated driver" or "drink responsibly" campaigns like there are now. Blaming the victim is not something I would have thought coming from you.

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:46 pm
by Guinevere
The point being not that Chappaqidick didn't happen, or that the loss of Mary Jo's life wasn't tragic, but that despite his start as a rather spoiled and petulant boy who made some very very bad choices, he grew into quite the statesman and leader, who was remarkable for taking care of his constituency and who learned how to compromise to get important legislation done. Those qualities are something dearly lacking in today's Senate. There are however, plenty of spoiled petulant boys still hanging about. Perhaps the EMKI will help transform other spoiled boys and girls in the future leaders we sorely need.

ETA - I am not a Kennedy fan, never have been, but came to truly respect the man, so :fu LJ for your "tribute."

Re: A Tribute To The Honorable Edward M. Kennedy...

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:12 pm
by Big RR
I tend to agree with you Guin; I was never a Kennedy fan either (although I did vote for him in two presidential primaries), but he was a respected member of the senate who served his state and the nation well (regardless of where one stands on his politics). Did he "grow up" and mend his ways? I really don't know; but I think humans are complex, and a jerk in one situation might well rise to the occasion in another. I've seen it many times.

IMHO Teddy was a spoiled brat who transcended that behavior many times when he had to in order to get something done. Does he need a big museum as a memorial to him? No, but neither does his brother John (or Reagan for that matter) need an airport named after him; their legacy should be what remains, not shiny buildings and facilities. But I do think there is value in things like this institute in inspiring young men and women to consider getting involved in politics and serving the public.