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Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:41 pm
by Lord Jim
Federal appeals court sides with Texas against Obama on immigration
Washington (CNN)A federal appeals court on Tuesday denied a request from Justice Department lawyers to allow President Barack Obama's controversial immigration actions to go into effect pending appeal.
The decision is a victory for Texas and 25 other states that are challenging the Obama administration's actions, which were blocked by a District Court judge in February. Tuesday's decision means that while the issue is appealed, eligible undocumented immigrants will be unable to apply for the programs aimed at easing deportation threats.
"Because the government is unlikely to succeed on the merits of its appeal of the injunction, we deny the motion for stay and the request to narrow the scope of the injunction," according to the 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
At issue is the implementation of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) and the expansion of the 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), a program that permits teenagers and young adults who were born outside of the United States, but raised in the country, to apply for protection from deportation and for employment authorizations.
Brandi Hoffine, a White House spokeswoman, said the judges in the Fifth Circuit "chose to misinterpret the facts and the law" in their ruling denying the request for a stay.
"President Obama's immigration executive actions are fully consistent with the law," Hoffine said. "The President's actions were designed to bring greater accountability to our broken immigration system, grow the economy, and keep our communities safe."
The White House said Justice Department lawyers are evaluating the ruling and considering next steps.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton praised the ruling, calling it a "victory for those committed to preserving the rule of law in America."
"Telling illegal aliens that they are now lawfully present in this country, and awarding them valuable government benefits, is a drastic change in immigration policy," he said in a statement. "The President's attempt to do this by himself, without a law passed by Congress and without any input from the states, is a remarkable violation of the U.S Constitution and laws."
Pro-immigration reform groups said they were disappointed by the ruling, but not willing to throw in the towel.
"The immigration actions will help our economy, our community and our families. Each day this injunction remains in place we all suffer the consequences," said Karen Tumlin of the National Immigration Law Center.
Stephen Yale-Loehr, a Cornell University Law School prof, downplayed the significance of Tuesday's decision.
"The court of appeals merely held that the district court did not err when it held that Texas had standing to sue," he said. "The true test will be on the merits of the case. That could be a few years down the road, after a trial."
And Elizabeth Wydra, of the progressive Constitutional Accountability Center, who filed a brief on behalf of bipartisan group of former members of Congress, notes the administration could decide the issue is important enough to go straight to the Supreme Court just to get the programs unblocked pending appeal.
"Given the strong public interest in getting DAPA off the ground as soon as possible, the administration will almost certainly go straight to the Supreme Court," she said. "It will file this request with Justice (Antonin) Scalia, the justice assigned to the Fifth Circuit, but he will very likely refer the matter to the entire Court for all of the justices to consider."
I'll repeat what I said in an earlier thread (I decided to start a new thread on this because the earlier discussion was taking place in a thread about a completely different topic)
Lord Jim wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
We should have a comprehensive immigration bill...
It's both the right thing to do ethically, and the smart thing to do politically...
But if the members of the United States Congress choose to have their collective heads up their collective asses, and choose not to change the existing law, that is their prerogative; it is up to the voters in their respective districts and states to hold them accountable...
Not The President Of The United States... The President does not get to create new law simply because he is frustrated by inaction on the part of the Congress...
A lot of folks don't seem to understand how this "prosecutorial discretion" argument ( should the Administration prevail before the Supreme Court; which I think is a coin toss...) has implications far beyond the immigration question...
What if a future Republican President, unable to get the tax cuts he wanted through the Congress, were to declare that he would direct the Justice Department to use "prosecutorial discretion" to no longer pursue businesses that didn't pay corporate taxes, or individuals who didn't pay capital gains taxes?
How would Liberal Democrats on Capitol Hill react to that? (The words, "scream bloody murder" come to mind...)
I think there's a very good chance that Obama has been too cute by half in trying to shoe horn this program under "prosecutorial discretion"...
If instead he had set it up under the President's Pardon Powers, (like Gerald Ford's amnesty program for the draft dodgers who ran off to Canada) he would have been on much stronger Constitutional footing, and there could not have been any serious court challenge...(The Court has been pretty clear in repeated decisions that the President's power to grant pardons and clemencies is absolute; even if made conditional...)
But of course if he had done that, he would have had to admit that this is an amnesty program...
He wanted to have an amnesty program without admitting that it was an a amnesty program, and that has put him in a bit of a Constitutional box...
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:05 pm
by rubato
Great, we can use the Republican solution; children brought here as infants, who speak English as a first language, who have no family or community except here, we can just deport them.
Or the other Republican solution; break up families by deporting the parent who is undocumented leaving their citizen, legal immigrant spouse or children here.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 1:08 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
"Given the strong public interest in getting DAPA off the ground as soon as possible
Anybody ask the American public about this? I think most people do not want this amnesty program.
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:09 pm
by Big RR
Jim--I have to agree with you about presidential power expansion. While I agree with what Obama has done here, and share his frustration, it is not the job of the president to legislate even if Congress abandons its responsibilities.
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:11 pm
by Lord Jim
No matter how one feels about this program, one thing I think everyone should be able to agree on (though not apparently the Administration) is that it would be wrong to begin implementing it until the Supreme Court has ruled on its constitutionality...
It would be wrong first and foremost, because if the Court rules that this EO is unconstitutional, then people who came forward in good faith to participate under it would suddenly find themselves at the front of the line for deportation because they will have helpfully provided the government with the information needed to round them up for deportation...
That seems clearly ethically wrong to me, because from a logical standpoint in all likelihood, most of those folks would not belong at the front of that list...
In terms of what it contains, I don't have a big problem with the program. There are a lot of conditions that people have to meet- criminal background checks, paying taxes, etc. in order to participate, and if we take as a given that all illegal aliens are simply not going to be deported, the terms and condition of this program don't really bother me. If I were a member of Congress and this program were brought to a vote, I would be inclined to vote for it.
I do however have a HUGE problem conceptually with what I see as a grossly inappropriate use of the concept of "prosecutorial discretion" being employed by The Executive to justify unilaterally creating new law and a whole new program, not only absent Congressional approval, but in clear contravention of existing law.
I believe that if the Administration's argument prevails and their action is found to be Constitutional, it will set a terrible precedent for this President, (and any future President; Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative) to be able to use the same argument to justify numerous unilateral defacto changes in law, (I gave one hypothetical example in my earlier post) whenever they find themselves frustrated by an unwillingness on the part of Congress to enact the policy they want by statute...
But whether or not this is Constitutional is not my call; that's up to the Supreme Court to decide...
We'll see if a majority agrees with me....
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 6:02 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Well put, LJ
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 7:56 pm
by Big RR
That's my concern as well Jim; the president has some limits on his powers, and while the executive can decline to prosecute some cases, or even all cases under prosecutorial discretion, I don't think it is a power which should be used to set policy in any area. Indeed, IMHO, that's why we have checks and balances in the government, to prevent one branch, especially the executive, form becoming too strong.
That being said, Congress should act; I've seen first hand what the uncertainty and current laws do to parents and families, and it's pretty sad and inexcusable that Congress is ignoring that. But when the party not holding the executive office (and this applies to dems as well as repubs) acts an obstruction to any possible achievement the president might claim a victory in, what can you expect?
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:55 pm
by Lord Jim
The Supreme Court is going to take this up in fairly short order; this is not going to be a case that is going to wind its way slowly through six or seven years of appeals till it finally reaches The High Bench...
This is a fundamental question about the power of the Executive branch vis a vis the Legislative and the States...
On an issue that effects millions of people one way or the other in real time...
When the issues are of great magnitude and time sensitize, the Court can move quite swiftly (see The United States v. Nixon and Bush v. Gore )
I would expect that arguments will be heard and a decision rendered sometime by the end of the summer at the latest...
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:58 pm
by Big RR
That's pretty optimistic; I'd bet more likely we'd have arguments by the end of the summer/early fall depending on the court's schedule.
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:02 pm
by Lord Jim
You may be right about that; it may be early fall before there's a decision...
But it's certainly going to be taken up by the Court and "fast tracked" on their calendar, and not go through the usual multi-year process...
Re: Another Setback For Presidential Over Reach...
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:22 pm
by Lord Jim
So long as the injunction stopping implementation remains in place, then the court can take more time; a decision on the request to lift that injunction will probably come shortly, and I doubt it will succeed:
A request that the Supreme Court lift the injunction, and thereby let the Obama immigration policy take effect while the full appeal runs its course, would first go to Justice Antonin Scalia, who oversees the 5th Circuit. On such a big issue, Scalia would likely refer the matter to the other eight justices for a decision.
Read more here:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/05/26/2 ... rylink=cpy