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Be afraid, be very afraid.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8716261/gop-primary-threats

America's never been safer. So why are Republicans convinced it's in mortal peril?

Updated by Zack Beauchamp on June 3, 2015, 9:20 a.m. ET @zackbeauchamp zack@vox.com
Lindsey Graham. Mark Wilson/Getty Images

Sen. Lindsey Graham, the latest Republican to join all the cool kids running for president, wants you to know that the world is a very scary place and that is why he should be president.

"I want to be president to protect our nation that we all love so much from all threats foreign and domestic," Graham said in his announcement.

Graham is one of the Senate's most distinguished hawks, but he isn't an outlier here. The entire Republican field, Rand Paul excepted, is trying to convince you that the world is dark and full of terrors: the United States is under threats at every turn, that our fundamental national security is at risk, and that the world is, as Graham once said, "literally about to blow up."

The exact opposite is true. Today, the United States is actually enjoying a time of extraordinary safety: threats to the homeland are few and very far between. And while it's true that there are lots of bad things in the world, it's conflict-free as it's ever been, at nearly any point in human history. On this, the Republican candidates are just wrong.
The GOP's constant, escalating fearmongering It has now become a familiar pattern. A Republican candidate makes an outlandish claim about a threat to America. Experts respond that the threat is exaggerated, or nonexistent, but by then the claim has already garnered headlines and valuable airtime. Other candidates chime in to agree about the threat, and offer their own solutions. Or they raise yet another claim about yet another danger to the homeland, and the whole cycle begins again.

Some of the more specific claims are really, really, really outlandish. Former Sen. Rick Santorum warned that Iran might knock out America's electric grid with a sneaky electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) attack. "An electromagnetic pulse over the state of Iowa could knock us back to the stone age," he said, per the Guardian. "Worse, [at least] people in the stone age knew how to live in the stone age. We don’t." Two other candidates, former governor Mike Huckabee and Dr. Ben Carson, have also warned of EMP attacks.

But the odds of this actually happening are "roughly the same as terrorists deploying MegaMaid from Spaceballs to steal America’s oxygen," according to Matt Duss, the President of the Foundation for Middle East Peace.

Duss' comment reflects the expert consensus. "I had the impression that nobody who was technically competent believed the scare stories about EMP," renowned physicist Freeman Dyson told the Project on Government Oversight in 2011 — when then-GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich was warning of the same thing.
""Not just wrong but insanely wrong""

Senator Ted Cruz, former Texas governor Rick Perry, and Sen. Marco Rubio have all expressed concern that ISIS could set up shop in Mexico in order to sneak across the border. There is no evidence that this has happened, or that it is in the works. It's hard to imagine, to put it mildly, that a bunch of Islamist militants bent on establishing a caliphate in the Middle East would take a detour to set up shop in a largely Spanish-speaking Catholic country. Or that Mexico's drug cartels have any interest in getting caught up in the inevitably massive US military backlash to an ISIS attack launched from Mexico.

More commonly, though, GOP claims involve blowing real concerns — Iran's nuclear program, say, or Russia's adventurism in Ukraine — totally out of historical proportion. "The world is exploding in terror and violence but the biggest threat of all is the nuclear ambitions of the radical Islamists who control Iran," Graham said in his announcement speech, implying somewhat implausibly that an Iranian bomb could lead to nuclear "genocide."

Rubio takes this game to its logical conclusion on his campaign website, where he claims "the world has never been more dangerous than it is today."

That, as Jon Chait says, "is not just wrong but insanely wrong." Chait points to this chart of per capita battle deaths, from Steven Pinker's compelling book on the decline of violence, to make his point:
battle deaths chart

(Joe Posner/Vox)

It's conceivable this peace won't hold forever. And the conflicts in places like Ukraine, Syria, and Iraq are horrible. But they don't threaten the foundation of world peace the way that, say, World Wars I or II did. Saying the world "has never been more dangerous" at this particular point in time is simply incorrect. In fact, fewer people are dying from wars than at any point in the 20th century, and in all likelihood most of human history.
The truth: America is surprisingly safe

Those specific rebuttals hint at a broader truth: despite headline-grabbing chaos in other parts of the world, the United States is surprisingly safe. When Graham, for instance, write that "we have never seen more threats against our nation and its citizens than we do today," it just sounds absurd.

America's most significant rival, China, shows zero interest in fighting a war with the United States. The US spends more on defense than the next nine biggest defense spenders combined. America has partners or allies on every populated continent on earth, and faces no opposing superpower like it did during the Cold War.

And even though terrorism remains frightening, the fear it inspires is out of proportion to the actual danger it presents. In the years since the 9/11 attacks, the US has gotten quite effective at screening potential terrorists and disrupting terrorist plots. It is very, very difficult for potential terrorist operatives to get to the United States undetected, and groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda have failed to recruit large numbers of American residents to their causes.

A major attack isn't inconceivable, but the risk is pretty low compared to things we're used to living with (like gun violence). Two academic studies, recently reported by The Atlantic's Jonathan Rauch, attempted to quantify the risk of an American citizen dying in a terrorist attack based on past attacks. The first one put the odds at about one in 950,000. The second put them at one in 3.5 million.

By comparison, the odds of getting hit by a car and killed as a pedestrian is one in 704, per the National Safety Council. You're over 100 times more likely to die by literally walking around than you are to be killed in a terrorist attack.
Where the fear-mongering comes from
GOP Presidential Hopefuls Address South Carolina Freedom Summit

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Ted Cruz.

So why are GOP candidates spending so much of their time claiming a litany of ever-scarier threats to the nation?

One very plausible answer has to do with the general conservative approach to world affairs. Neoconservatism, the dominant foreign policy position in the GOP, holds that American global dominance is a good thing in principle. The world is a scary place, they argue, and only forward-deployed American military might is holding us back from a world on fire from terrorism and aggressive authoritarian states. The implication is that the world really is a threatening place, and only the aggressive deployment of US force can prevent a looming catastrophe.

The neoconservative "love affair with the American military machine has another aspect to it: the tendency to inflate threats to national security, either out of genuine concern or as a way to mobilize public opinion," historian Justin Vaïsse wrote in a Brookings study of neoconservative ideas. "From the Committee on the Present Danger of the 1970s to the Rumsfeld Commission on the ballistic missile threat in 1998 and the agitation around Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in 2002-2003, neoconservatives have often succumbed to unwarranted alarmism."

It's also politically savvy. "For Republicans, who have long benefited from attacking Democrats for their alleged weakness in the face of foreign threats, there is little incentive to tone down the rhetoric," Micah Zenko and Michael Cohen write in Foreign Affairs. "The notion of a dangerous world plays to perhaps their greatest political advantage."

So the excessive rhetoric from Republicans shouldn't come as a surprise: it's both ideologically congenial and politically convenient. Let's just not confuse it with reality.
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I think fear-mongering is a time honored tradition from both sides; remember the anti-Goldwater commercial where pulling the lever in the voting booth set off a nuclear bomb? It's usually "Look how bad those guys will mess things up of they get/remain in power" or "It's just too big a responsibility to entrust to ...".

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I don t know what poll or survey was used to demonstrate we are safer than ever. I ve never found such things to be unbiased, generally.

I do know that I don t feel very safe. I think I felt safer back when I was a little kid. and we did nuke attack drills back then.... basically it was put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye.....

...I miss the good old days of mutually assured destruction......

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I don't know wes, I personally feel much safer now. Yes, there are dangers, but the idea of a global nuclear winter is pretty remote IMHO. In the 60s I felt that an all out exchange of nukes leading to this was inevitable prior to 2000 (luckily I was wrong).

Yes the people who pose threats now are crazy (maybe even crazier than those in the 60s), but they do not have command of the arsenals those in the 60s had (and those who do, for better or worse, are much more sane).

Personally, I fear the effects of global warming much more than I do any religious zealots or others bent on conquest (and I personally think we have passed the so-called tipping point and should be planning how to deal with the inevitable effects). Likewise the effects of us failing to face up to the ultimate energy crisis by adopting alternative energy sources; some work is going on but not enough. I guess I won't see the effects in my lifetime, but I do fear for any grandchildren I have.

Sure, I may well be on a plane that is hijacked (indeed, I was supposed to be on the UA flight that crashed in PA on 9/11 and only cancelled my trip the Friday before), and I may be blown up in a bombing (just as I may be caught in the crossfire in a gang war), but this is nothing compared to the real fear of a nuclear winter I had in the 60s (and even 70).

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well,RR, the state of the earth is certainly part of my calculations too. things were bad and dirty by the 70 s for sure, but there sure was a lot more left to save back then.

our local rivers and bays were in bad shape, but the amazon was pretty much intact. things like that matter to me too, make me feel less safe.

I m more afraid of a clash of cultures type of world war than I am of a bus blowing up. and every idiot has nukes now.....

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and every idiot has nukes now.....
Those who do have them may be idiots, but no one has been idiotic enough to use them. It may well happen one day that someone will acquire and use a nuclear weapon in some sort of attack, but I fear an arsenal and its effects on the earth much more than a single bomb 9bad as that would be). Likewise of the use of pathogenic organisms.

As for your and my environmental concerns, I don't think they were what Mr. Graham et al. were referring to in the OP.

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I get that, but if London or dc or nyc was obliterated by a nuke in some container on a ship in their harbors, which I think is more likely than Russia nuking us, it would doubtless set off a chain of events that are unlikely to be peaceful ones.

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Sure, but I think it likely and nuclear attack would not be so massive and from a smaller tactical weapon which would not obliterate any of these cities, although the damage would be massive; more like the outcome of the 9/11 attacks combined with the nuclear contamination. And the responses/counter-responses could be pretty horrible as well, but nothing like the destruction that was envisaged during the cold war.

So I agree that there's no reason to sit back and say everything is fine; but I also think that in comparison to what was a distinct possibility in the 60s/70s, we are far better off.

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you re right that graham et al are probably not taking these things into account or referring to these things, but surely we shouldn t restrict our thinking to the limitations of any OP or OPer?

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Personally I'm more concerned about paranoid fearmongering demagogues like Rand Paul who are attempting to destroy the highly successful, carefully supervised, and completely non-threatening national security procedures and protocols we have put in place by trying to scare people with fantasies of government robbing us of our liberties...(they had a victory two days ago in getting the metadata gathering program gutted, and the nation is worse off for it.)

There isn't a scintilla of difference between those buying Paul's scare tactics about these programs threatening democracy, and the ying yangs who thought the government was getting ready to take over Texas, or the ones who think that the government is getting ready to come take everyone's guns away and march them off to FEMA camps...

They are all peas in the same pod and should be treated with equal scorn.

This cunning nutcase has done more than enough damage to the security of this country just as a US senator; he must absolutely never get within 100 miles of the Presidency.
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well jim, I m not a rand paul fan. I don t think I belong in a pod with the aforementioned nutcases. I do believe that many democrats, Obama included, maybe Obama especially, would like to disarm americans of their choosing. I also believe that the second amendment is the linchpin of our bill of rights, the guarantor of all of our liberties.

I m just dying to hear the new firearm "rules" that are coming from the administration.....

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I'm not a Paul supporter either, but I neither buy that most of the government surveillance programs are necessary or have accomplished much to make us safer. And I do think the government would like to do away with some of our civil rights niceties merely because they're inconvenient, if for no other reason. If that puts me in the tin foil hat brigade, so be it.

Come on Jim, are we now at a point where any legitimate dissent has to be dismissed and attacked by comparing it to things it has absolutely nothing to do with for the mere purpose of denigrating it without directly attacking/discussing it? It's like comparing the surveillance programs to those of the Nazis, it gets us absolutely nowhere. You're usually far better than that. :roll:

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I'm sorry, but I just don't see the comparison as being at all unfair...

The evidence that has been presented that the government has or intends to use the NSA meta-data program (or any of the other Patriot Act programs for that matter) for some nefarious purpose is exactly zero...

The evidence that has been presented that the government has some plan for using FEMA for some nefarious purpose is exactly zero...

Both of these beliefs proceed from a fear of government action that is in no way fact based; both are based on some sort of suspicion or fear for which there is no evidence. The fears may be emotional or ideological, but what ever they are based on, they certainly aren't based on any proof.

As someone who doesn't embrace either of these fears, they seem quite similar to me...
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Jim--if I told you 15 years ago that the US government would imprison US citizens without charge and without access to the courts, you would have said I'm crazy. But we know that occurred.

If I had told you the US would use torture/enhanced interrogation techniques against parties, you would have said the same thing. But we know what happened.

So when I say I fear about the US collecting data, I think I have some basis. Face it, the government has taken giant steps to hide this and to prevent people from even knowing what was collected, so how could anyone have any evidence about how it was used? But we have our civil rights to deter what might occur.

As for FEMA, I have never said anything about it so I will leave it to those who have to discuss it.

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Rand Paul is an American hero when it comes to his staunch opposition of the patriot act and NSA surveillance - history will judge him thus.
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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Fellow Republicans can't stand Rand Paul's NSA fight
I guess that's proof that he's doing something right... ;)
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Econoline wrote:
Fellow Republicans can't stand Rand Paul's NSA fight
I guess that's proof that he's doing something right... ;)
This!
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If nothing else, Paul is bringing the debate out into the open where it belongs, not shut up from public view. One need only look at the response when the existence of this program was leaked to understand where many on both sides of the aisle (including Obama) stand. there's a lot about the political stands of Paul that I vehemently disagree with, but I respect him for his actions here. Strange bedfellows.

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Jim--if I told you 15 years ago that the US government would imprison US citizens without charge and without access to the courts, you would have said I'm crazy.
If you had told me 15 years ago that Islamic terrorists would hijack four commercial airliners and knock down The World Trade Center Towers and slam into the Pentagon, I'd have told you that you were crazy...

If you had told me 15 years ago that Islamic terrorists would seize a third of Iraq and Syria, with tens of thousands of fighters, set up a pseudo-state, expand their reach into numerous other countries and attract thousands of Westerners to their cause, I'd have told you that you were crazy...

If you had told me 15 years ago that Islamic terrorists would be murdering people in Europe, (and attempting to do so in the US) because of cartoons, I'd have told you that you were crazy...

And on and on....

Regarding US citizens held without charge or court access, I guess my questions would be who, why, how many, and for how long?

I have to say that I find it amusing that though I was chided earlier for referring to Paul's views on national security as "lefty", what I'm seeing here is a parade of people from the left end of the political spectrum all praising him for them...

Must be another one of those remarkable coincidences...

What of course I'm not seeing is any proof whatsoever that the Metadata collection program has ever been misused. Nor am I seeing any proof that the assertions (from both Republicans and Democrats in the Administration and in Congress who are in a position to know) that the programs are valuable and effective for foiling terrorist plots is false.

I certainly won't be holding my breath waiting for that... ;)
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