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I can tell because he let his hair go grey and combed it down for all to see.

hilarious. he has brown around the temples still. he goes grey his way.

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Yeah, I listened to that...he's finally thrown his wig in the ring...

It remains to be seen just how seriously he's going to run though. He loves public attention, so he may just be doing this to ego trip and get in the debates and then maybe pull out before the votes start getting counted and reality sets in...

The guy is so impulsive and thin skinned that he might pull out any time. (In fact he is so thin skinned about criticism that he makes Chris Christie and Hillary Clinton look like Mr. and Ms. "Roll-with-the-punches")

I would really prefer that he had not gotten in; he's got zero chance but he's going to suck up a lot of media oxygen from lesser known but far more serious candidates who deserve a hearing. This guy is not another clown in the car; he's a whole one man clown parade....

He is completely unqualified for the Presidency, both by experience and temperament. I will put him in that category of folks who I can't possibly vote for, but who would drive me to vote 3rd party or not vote at all. (As opposed to the even worse category of "force me to vote for Hillary Clinton" there's only one clown in that category...)

But I am 100% confident that in Trump's case, this is not a choice I will have to make.

I have a hard time figuring out exactly what the "Trump Constituency" is....

The establishment types obviously aren't going to want him because he's a bull in china shop who can't possibly win the election. The social conservatives aren't going to approve of his lifestyle. He doesn't really have positions that appeal to Libertarians. From his speech, I got the impression he was going after the working class Republican vote, but populism just doesn't ring true in a man as arrogant as Trump.

Except for the condescension and the gratuitous insults thrown at other candidates, it really wasn't that bad a speech. He hit on some themes that could be appealing if they're picked up by a better candidate.
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He's going for the trailer trash and nutter vote. You know by far the two largest republican demographics according to any Democrat schill.
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This is a great day for Comedy.
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In an indirect way, I think the biggest beneficiary of a Trump candidacy is probably Jeb Bush, and to a lesser extent some of the other better known candidates. The reason is if you've already got high name recognition, Trump is not really going to hurt your chances. However, if you are a serious candidate but less well known nationally (like Kasich for example) Trump getting in really hurts you because he will suck up a grossly disproportionate amount of the available free media attention just by virtue of being Donald Trump.

On another level he also does damage to the GOP brand in general both by the embarrassment of having this celebrity crackpot even involved in the process, and because of his proclivity for trash talking and belittling all of the candidates who aren't Trump The Magnificent....

But again his Achilles heel is his thin skin; as soon as ordinary people start getting in his face in Iowa and New Hampshire he will come across as the arrogant bully that he is, and at some point he may easily decide, "Fuck, who needs this? I'm not going to win anyway" and take his ball and go home...
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Hey! in no way do I resemble Trump.

He's looking for fodder for some new lawsuits.
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TRUMP? LET'S GET REAL

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As a candidate he will need to file his "true" personal financial disclosure. Yes, he claims $9B today but when it comes to being real about his net worth -- on paper, not just lip service -- it will show him being worth much, much, less. This information will surely destroy whatever distorted public image he has left.

Like the bloviator that he is, and a man who connects his penis size with his self-audited fortune, he'll quickly fold like a cheap card table.

Scale: $1.1B = 1"
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Stop the planet, I want to get off. :shrug :loon

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As a candidate he will need to file his "true" personal financial disclosure.
Yes, and whether or not he does that will be another indicator of how much effort he really intends to put into this. So far he's talking about his "assets", but not one word about his "liabilities".

If he doesn't file the disclosure paperwork it's my understanding that he could be excluded from the debates.

That would suit me just fine. I'm very sorry he's gotten in the race, and the sooner he gets out of it the better. His presence is nothing but a damaging sideshow...
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Oooooh, I've got to email him about how happy I am he is in the race. Or maybe tweet at him. Or like his FB page/announcement/etc.
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:fu :D
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Like any good Patriot, I can play offense *and* defense. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Hahahaha, the DNC is already trolling Donald Trump with its statement on his candidacy:

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Yeah, we can look forward to a lot of that... :cry:
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Billionaire Donald Trump today declared his candidacy for President of the USA with a pledge to turn the White House lawn into a golf course if he wins.

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During a press conference at Trump Tower on New York’s 5th Avenue, Trump stated it was his intention to run for President as a Republican candidate, and he hopes to have a better swing than George W Bush by the end of his first term.

He went on to claim that his presidency would create untold jobs in the vital landscape gardening, caddying and hair-care product industries.

Trump outlined a wide range of policy areas, including turning the Yellowstone national park into a golf course, converting the President’s summer home at Martha’s Vineyard into a prestigious golfing retreat, and taking the war to Isis in Syria to free up lots of land for golf courses.

“Ladies and gentlemen, I pledge I will be the most versatile and imaginative President this great country has ever seen”, Trump told reporters.

“I will utilise woods, irons and putters in every imaginable combination to reduce my handicap, and that of America.”

“With me as President, I assure you the Oval Office will not be without a few putters to help visiting dignitaries feel welcome and comfortable, and I pledge not to declare war on anyone who beats me. Probably.”

Some observers have suggested that those Presidential candidates who do best tend to have a full head of hair, to which Trump insisted he was qualified in every way and would be declaring that he has 9 billion active follicles within days.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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Comedy central at Trump Tower:

http://www.nate-thayer.com/donald-trump ... candidate/

What is entertaining is Donald Trump announcing today he wants to run for president.

“I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created,” he said today, calling America a “laughing stock all over the world.”

“I’m really rich,” he said.

“Sadly the American dream is dead,” Trump added.
What is embarrassing is the U.S. republican party is promoting him as a serious contender. Even more embarrassing is that Trump is tied in opinion polls to former U.S. senator Rick Santorum, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former New York Gov. George Pataki, and he has more support than Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

He received a standing ovation at a republican party held summit for presidential candidates in Iowa earlier this year. He was a featured guest at the republican party presidential candidates crucial Conservative Political Action Committee annual convention in March.

Let’s cut to the chase: Donald Trump is an idiot–regardless of one’s politics.

While Trump portrays himself as an icon of savvy economics and a populist political thinker, his record tells a very different story.

Trump represents the darkest side of Wall Street wealth and base American simple-minded intolerance and hucksters.
Trump is probably best known as the blowhard Kim Kardashianesq American success story of reality TV (“You’re fired!”) who sports a bleached raccoon carcass on his head.
One question is why the republican party is welcoming him as a viable representative of their political game plan for the next president of the United States of America.

“When is the last time we beat Japan at anything?” he said today, apparently unaware that World War Two occurred.

He called Mexican immigrants “criminals, rapists and, I guess, a few good people.”

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you…They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people.”

“I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall,” he vowed today.

Another question is why the man is not in prison. Because the facts indicate that Donald Trump is, in fact, a serial failed businessman.

Before Donald Trump’s father died, he had bailed Donald Trump out twice from his inherited business enterprises. Since, Donald Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times on his own.
His corporations have filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times. Trump has learned the lesson of getting rich in America: never take personal responsibility for your own actions–or finances.
Trump’s bean counters made sure that when he plummeted to a billion dollars in debt it was his corporations who filed bankruptcy and he could still maintain: “I have never filed bankruptcy.”
In Chapter 11 bankruptcies, the owners’ personal assets and credit history are unaffected. Trump keeps his personal money separate from his business money. If any average citizen did what Trump has done, we would be in prison.

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Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy five times, in 1991, 1992, 2004, 2009, and 2014, all part of his showcase Trump Entertainment Resorts, the showcase of his collapsed economic acumen. He has never filed for personal bankruptcy.
Trump financed the construction of the business empire, the Atlantic City, New Jersey Trump Taj Mahal, with junk bonds and was unable to pay the high interest. By 1990, Trump’s business skills had amassed debts of $4 billion, including $975 million he personally guaranteed.
In 1991, unable to pay a $3.5 billion loan, he declared business bankruptcy. He was $900 million in personal debt, selling his Trump Princess yacht, his Trump Shuttle airline, and other investments. He learned his lesson then, and ever since has hid the risk of his business dealings behind the protection of corporate entities. “I’ve cut debt — by the way, this isn’t me personally, it’s a company,” Trump said. “Basically I’ve used the laws of the country to my advantage.”
Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., a casino company founded in the 1980s, which ran the Taj Mahal, the Trump Plaza and the Trump Marina in Atlantic City, N.J., has declared bankruptcy 4 times.
In 1992, Trump filed Chapter 11 on the Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City, owing $550 million. Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts again filed for bankruptcy in 2004 with $1.8 billion dollars of debt.

As part of that deal, Trump kept three casino properties in New Jersey, along with the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan and a then-undeveloped West Side tract, kept some of the Trump Towers on Fifth Ave., and the Trump Palace condo tower on Third Ave. He had to give up the Trump Shuttle airline, a 49% stake in the Grand Hyatt Hotel, his 282-foot yacht, a 27% stake in the retail store Alexander’s and portions of the Trump Parc on Central Park South, records show.
His creditors put him on a $450,000 monthly allowance. In 1995, his salary from the Trump Plaza was upped to $1 million.
In 2004, Trump declared bankruptcy again, after eight years of losses and $1.8 billion in debt, and reduced his share in his own company to 27%, leaving bondholders with 65%. After Trump filed bankruptcy for the second time on his casinos, he remained chairman and CEO and kept his $2 million dollar salary. In 2005, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts came out of bankruptcy and renamed itself Trump Entertainment Resort Holdings.
Trump sued Deutsche Bank to get out of a $40 million loan during the 2008 financial crisis saying it was a ‘act of God’.
In 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts again filed for bankruptcy with a debt ratio of $50 million in assets to his $500 million in debt. This was the third bankruptcy for Trump Enterprises.
In February 2009, Trump filed for bankruptcy again, telling Fox News: “I have nothing to do with [the bankruptcy]. I have nothing to do with the company. I am not involved in the management of the company. I’m not on the board any longer.” The same day he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “We quit before it was filed … I was not involved with the management of the company. It represents less than 1% – substantially less than 1% of my net worth and has for quite some time …The one bad thing is, it has got my name on it, which I’m not exactly thrilled about.”


While resigning from Trump Entertainment, later in 2009 he bought back the company for $100 million and the company was released from bankruptcy in 2010.
In 2010, Trump once again blamed others while raking in the cash. “Other than the fact that it has my name on it — which I’m not thrilled about — I have nothing to do with the company,” he said.
“I’ve come out almost always as the victor, and I have to say that. Because, you know, I don’t want to be braggadocio, but that’s the kind of person, whether it’s me or somebody else,” the country needs as president, he said.
In September, 2014 Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. again filed bankruptcy. Trump Plaza also closed down in September, 2014 and the Trump Taj Mahal casino closed 2 months ago in November, putting 2,800 workers out of jobs.

Trump, once again, blamed other people for the failure of his businesses. “What happened to Atlantic City, there’s a lot of competition from a lot of other locations. It’s happening all over.”
Trump and other political stances
In April 2006, Trump said he was expanding his real estate business into mortgages.Trump told CNBC, “Who knows more about financing than me?”

Apparently, plenty. By 2008, Trump Mortgage was shuttered. It turns out Trump had hired one E.J. Ridings, who claimed to have been a top investment bank executive as CEO when Ridings’ had been a real estate broker for only six days. So much for the TV ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ genius businessman hype.
In 1973, the U.S. Justice Department sued Trump Management Corporation, which Trump was president, for racial bias against blacks.
After a white female jogger was raped in Central Park in 1989, Trump paid for full-page newspaper ads demanding the death penalty for four black youths arrested but not yet convicted. All of them were later proved to be not guilty and received multi-million dollar settlements for the accusations.


In a 1991 book on Trump, authored by the president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, Trump was quoted as saying “laziness is a trait in blacks” and “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”
In 2011, during his last flirtation with the U.S. presidency, Trump said “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” At the time, Trump said the only reason Obama was admitted to Harvard Law School was because he is black.
In April, 2013, after being criticized by Jon Stewart of the The Daily Show: “I promise you that I’m much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz – I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow. Who, by the way, is totally overrated.”
In June, 2013, Trump tweeted: “According to Bill O’Reilly, 80% of all the shootings in New York City are blacks-if you add Hispanics, that figure goes to 98%, 1% white” and “Sadly, the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our major cities is committed by blacks and Hispanics tough subject-must be discussed”.
In 2010, Trump told Fox News “The problem with our country is we don’t manufacture anything anymore. The stuff that’s been sent over from China falls apart after a year and a half. It’s crap.” But in fact, Trump had created a clothing line which was made in China.
In 2011, Trump laid out his Middle East Policy. Regarding Saudi Arabia, he told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos “I’m going to look ’em in the eye and say, “Fellas, you’d have your fun. Your fun is over” and then laid out his Iraq policy suggesting that the U.S. simply seize Iraqi oil fields and keep the money.

“So, we steal an oil field?” said Stephanopoulos.

“Excuse me. You’re not stealing anything. You’re taking — we’re reimbursing ourselves,” Trump said.
In 2013, the New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman filed suit against Trump accusing him of defrauding more than 5,000 people of $40 million he promised to teach them his get rich techniques at his “Trump University”–a ‘free introductory 90-minute presentation’ to build a real estate empire which was in fact an advert for a three-day, $1,500 seminar which offered people “elite” further seminars costing from $10,000 to $35,000.
In August of this year, Trump said two American doctors who contracted Ebola in West Africa should not be permitted to return to America for treatment because “they have to suffer the consequences.”
In 2011, the Wall Street Journal interviewed Trump:
Q: Should someone who filed for bankruptcy multiple times be running national finances at a time when we have a big debt problem?
T: I’ve never filed for bankruptcy.
Trump is sort of not lying. He has never filed personal bankruptcy.
But Trump’s wealth and “success” is a blueprint for socializing his losses and ‘free-marketing’ his profits.

His company is Donald Trump; his personal brand of which he wants to poison the rest of the country.
The truth is Trump went broke in 1990. What Trump is selling is all he has: Himself. presidential candidate Trump says America needs a President who is a “winner, not a loser”. Donald Trump’s real business is as a television huckster. As a businessman, he is, in fact a failure, perhaps sharing that distinction with George W. Bush.
“Look, if you look at bankruptcies, I’ve used the laws of this country to, on a very few relatively speaking, number of deals to chapter a certain company in order to negotiate debt…”
He told a Tea Party rally in Florida in 2012 he was a master businessman whose financial prowess qualified him to lead the free world. “We need people that win. We don’t need people that lose all the time. I’ve beaten many people and companies, and I’ve won many wars. I … earned many, many billions of dollars. It’s both a scorecard and an acknowledgment of certain abilities.”
In 2013, he told the Washington Post that he “never went bankrupt.”
“How many billions do you have?” Trump was asked.
“What do they say? 9,” Trump replied.
“Forbes said $3.2,” said Mary Jordan of the Washington Post.
“I say 9. It’s a big difference,” Trump replied. “I say 9 but that’s OK. I don’t know. Whatever it is, it is. It’s plenty of money.”
So, the record appears to show that Donald Trump is a common huckster and an idiot, if not a criminal.
The real question is why one of the biggest political parties in the United States–the Republican Party–is giving this embarrassment an endorsement and a platform to run for president on their political parties ticket?
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why the republican party is welcoming him as a viable representative of their political game plan for the next president of the United States of America.
Since that statement indicates that Mr. Thayer is profoundly ignorant of how the American political system works, naturally I thought he was foreigner...

Imagine my surprise when I looked him up and discovered he's an American; I guess he slept through civics class...

The major US political parties do not have a mechanism for prohibiting anyone who meets the legal requirements (natural born citizen over 35 years of age) from seeking their party's Presidential nomination. It's not a matter of "welcoming" let alone considering someone "viable"....

If he had chosen to do so, Trump could just as easily have decided to run for the Democratic nomination, and no one in that party could have stopped him from doing so.

In fact that's a decision I would have heartily embraced.... :ok
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I can't believe anybody would take seriously a guy who says he'll bring all the jobs and money back to America yet has filed bankruptcy so many times on behalf of his businesses . . . he's not exactly the business management genius he likes to believe he is. :roll:

But I'm glad he's in the race because he should screw things up pretty good for the Repubbies! :ok
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I really don t think that trump will hurt the republicans unless he does something stupid like a third party run. he may serve as a nemesis for bush, attacking him, and diverting bushes attacks to him, and away from the other candidates. bush has already started on the others, the senators first, more to come....

the republican field has been mostly civil so far, except for rand paul and Lindsey graham, who seem to hate each other. civil debate can only help the republicans to appeal to the American people. we have had enough of the division of our nation.

trump will also put out the occasional brilliant thought for the others to borrow. even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn...

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I particularly like this statement by Trump at the beginning of his speech...

He said, "When did we beat Japan at anything?"

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