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oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without consent
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:44 pm
by wesw
sorry, but a Fox affiliate was the only recent link that I could find......
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... jKR83rxNqw
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:32 pm
by Gob
wesw wrote:sorry, but a Fox affiliate was the only recent link that I could find......
There may be a reason for that.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:50 pm
by wesw
actually Fox and Al-jazeera have more actual info than most sources, you just have to be well informed enough to not be influenced by the inherent biases .
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:56 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
New York Times
June 16, 2015
Advocates say that extending treatment to teenagers will alleviate depression and suicide. With that in mind, Oregon’s Medicaid began covering the gamut of treatment, regardless of age, in January. Patients as young as 15 do not need parental consent
The full article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyreg ... .html?_r=0
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:58 pm
by wesw
if you google key words- Oregon transgender consent, you will get pages of other links, going back to oct, I think, but fox affiliates were the only ones that had it today, on the first google page. apparently it was just announced publicly, had been the policy since January, and there was no public debate before the policy was enacted.
I knew I should have just reported it and let you guys decide to Google it for yourselves, or not....
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:25 am
by rubato
oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without consent
How many so far? If zero, as is almost certainly the case, it is the usual hysterical overstatement Fox news peddles to the simple and easily excited.
yrs,
rubato
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:38 am
by wesw
perhaps meads ny times link is more to your liking, or the countless others on google?
if you don t like the truth, attack the messenger.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:41 am
by Joe Guy
This is not news. The transgender approval for 15 yr olds
spin has been created by FOX News.
The Oregon Health Plan administers health care for Medicaid eligible people. Last year they added coverage for
Gender Dysphoria (GD). The
Medical Age of Consent of 15 years old was the rule prior to the new coverage.
This link has some information about the approval of GD.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:42 am
by rubato
The truth is that the message here is without merit, content, or force.
It is hysterical bullshit.
Call back when even << 1 >> 15-year old gets a sex change operation. Until then there is no story.
yrs,
rubato
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:44 am
by Crackpot
No! I demand to be outraged damn you!
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:47 am
by wesw
so, do you think that the state should provide hormone therapy to young women of 15 years, to prevent normal body development, without parental consent) that is the rule, not the law, in Oregon. do you agree?
that is the question. you can deride me if you want. it does not change the truth.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:54 am
by Long Run
Joe Guy wrote: Last year they added coverage for Gender Dysphoria (GD).
And yet, we wait to be covered for a far more difficult condition.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:12 am
by Joe Guy
wesw wrote:so, do you think that the state should provide hormone therapy to young women of 15 years, to prevent normal body development, without parental consent) that is the rule, not the law, in Oregon. do you agree?
If you read the link I gave above you would see that adults are involved in approving hormone therapy for anyone who requests it. Also, the age of consent isn't a guarantee that parents will
not know what is going on and they will have input as to whether or not it is a good decision. My guess is that it would take a court case to challenge the idea of whether or not a 15 yr old or older child really has the right to have elective surgery if the parents disagree.
Here's the relevant text from the link -
What will be the requirement for accessing surgical healthcare benefits?
Sex reassignment surgery is included for patients who are sufficiently physically fit and meet eligibility criteria.
To qualify for surgery, the patient must:
1) have persistent, well documented gender dysphoria
2) have completed twelve months of continuous hormone therapy as appropriate to the member’s gender goals unless hormones are not clinically indicated for the individual
3) have completed twelve months of living in a gender role that is congruent with their gender identity unless a medical and a mental health professional both determine that this requirement is not safe for the patient
4) have the capacity to make a fully informed decision and to give consent for treatment
5) have any significant medical or mental health concerns reasonably well controlled
6) have two referrals from qualified mental health professionals with experience in working with patients with gender dysphoria who have independently assessed the patient. Such an assessment should include the clinical rationale supporting the patient’s request for surgery, as well as the rationale of the procedure(s)
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:19 am
by wesw
first, you are concentrating on sex change surgery, and of course an adult is involved the decision, the question is..., which adult.
second, you did not address my question about the provision of hormone therapy to suppress body development in young girls of 15, which is what IS happening in Oregon.
do you support the provision of hormone therapy to 15 year old young women to suppress body development, without parental consent?
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:25 am
by Joe Guy
Long Run wrote:Joe Guy wrote: Last year they added coverage for Gender Dysphoria (GD).
And yet, we wait to be covered for a far more difficult condition.
You should try to amend your state constitution to allow pun control. Of course, those lunatics on the right would probably freak out and start accusing Oregon of performing sex changes on 15 yr old illegal transmexicans and spreading transgender disease to U.S. citizens.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:49 am
by Econoline
When puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:16 am
by Guinevere
wesw wrote:if you google key words- Oregon transgender consent, you will get pages of other links, going back to oct, I think, but fox affiliates were the only ones that had it today, on the first google page. apparently it was just announced publicly, had been the policy since January, and there was no public debate before the policy was enacted.
I knew I should have just reported it and let you guys decide to Google it for yourselves, or not....
Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
Dated 8/14/14
http://www.basicrights.org/resources/fa ... dysphoria/
What’s happened today?
The Health Evidence Review Commission (HERC) – which is charged with overseeing the prioritized list of services in Oregon’s Medicaid program – The Oregon Health Plan voted to approve the coverage of hormonal and surgical healthcare for Transgender people. Since April, the HERC underwent a process of reviewing the evidence of effectiveness for treatments of gender dysphoria (formerly known as gender identity disorder), a condition in which a person knows their gender to be different than the one they were born with.
...
Why did the HERC undertake this process?
HERC needed to evaluate the emerging research that had developed since they last looked at this topic in 1999 and reviewed current research and standards of care to ensure that all Oregonians who receive health coverage through the Oregon Health Plan receive the most medically appropriate care for this condition.
What has been done so far?
1) Updating Oregon’s policy and bringing it into line with current treatment guidelines, HERC has voted to move gender dysphoria into the covered portion of the Prioritized List of covered services with the publication of the next biennial review List. Services already approved for this new, covered line for both Healthy Kids and Oregon Health Plan were voted on in 2013 include psychotherapy, medical visits, and medications to suppress puberty in transgender youth.
2) More recently the Value-based Benefits Subcommittee (VbBS) heard extensive testimony from experts and reviewed relevant literature regarding the effectiveness of cross-sex hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery for
relieving gender dysphoria
reducing depression and anxiety
reducing rates of suicide/suicide attempts
...
What did the HERC vote on today?
1) The VBBS recommended to the full HERC that coverage be added for cross-sex hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery to the new gender dysphoria line that was approved in 2013.
2) A guideline is recommended which restricts treatments to appropriate patients as determined by major international guidelines.
3) The full HERC voted to include cross-sex hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgeries to the gender dysphoria line, joining psychotherapy, which was approved in 2013.
All done in public meetings with publically available agenda and materials. All of which are archived here:
http://www.oregon.gov/oha/herc/Pages/Me ... hives.aspx
Finally, the HERC did not create any age limits for the procedures. The general age of consent for medical procedures in Oregon is 15. That means anyone 15 or over does not require parental consent to sign the required paperwork for *any* medical procedure. It has nothing to do with this procedure specifically.
It took me two minutes to find all of this (a bit longer to cut and paste at 2 am). The hate and fear and ignorance and misinformation are mind boggling. Why would you perpetuate it?
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:39 am
by Lord Jim
The full HERC voted to include cross-sex hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgeries to the gender dysphoria line, joining psychotherapy, which was approved in 2013.
The general age of consent for medical procedures in Oregon is 15. That means anyone 15 or over does not require parental consent to sign the required paperwork for *any* medical procedure.
So in other words, the subject line of this thread:
oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without consent
is absolutely 100% correct.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:49 am
by Guinevere
I don't believe anyone is arguing otherwise - although you know damn well that is a mischarcterization of the what Oregon actually did.
And, I believe the objections were to the hysterical Fox article cited in the OP - which is as wrong as wrong can be.
Re: oregon allows 15 yr olds to get sex changes without cons
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:16 am
by wesw
again, I m not even talking about the sex change operation part
I m talking about giving kids medications that interrupt normal human development. which IS happening.