What if the tea party were black?

[@meric@nwom@n]

I found this interesting and thought provocative. I agree with some of but found holes in part of it. Give it a read.

http://ephphatha-poetry.blogspot.com/20 ... -wise.html

[Guinevere]

I think the Tea Partyists are ignorant, bigoted, anti-freedom loving hateful people regardless of what color they are.

[@meric@nwom@n]

Good thing you cleared that up because I was having trouble figuring your opinion prior to now.

Now maybe someone will weigh in with something thought out on the spot instead of pre-prepared.

[Guinevere]

Cut the fucking hostility. You asked for opinions. I read the piece. I didn't find it terribly insightful. I posted my opinion thereafter, which by definition could not be "pre-prepared." Is that not what we do here, or is it only opinions you agree with you were asking for?

[@meric@nwom@n]

YOU need to cut the fucking hostility. It does you no credit that I see you as bigoted and ignorant as teabaggers in general.

[Guinevere]

If you really wanted to provoke a discussion, why not challenge the specifics of what I said, instead of attacking me personally.

[@meric@nwom@n]

to know that the "Right" is made up of many short-sighted, ignorant bigots who care about nothing but themselves,

They are notorious for being more about the negatives than the positives, especially when one party holds all the leadership positions.


The teapartiers lowered the bar the minute they started hating everything and everyone.

All Guin.

I take exception to you personally because I see you as a bigot. Perhaps a bigot in a less traditional sense but a bigot none the less. I grow weary of any bigot over time. I can smell the hate radiating off you. It makes me sick.

[@meric@nwom@n]

And just for calirty, I don't like the tea party and its antics. I just don't have a mind closed and sealed shut by hatred.

[Guinevere]

Yes, I posted that. For the record, lets re-post the *entire* statement, not just selected clips:

Actually, if you read Dave's posts you will come to know that the "Right" is made up of many short-sighted, ignorant bigots who care about nothing but themselves, how they can line their own pockets.

I concede that not every right-winger is like that, and admit that I have some dear friends who are conservatives, and who are thoughtful and caring in their approach to government. Dave, of course, could not begin to concede that anyone who identifies as "Left" could possibly have anything to contribute to any discussion. Dave also conveniently ignores that fact that there are an equal if not greater number of those of us on the "Left" who are successful, self-made than those on the "Right." The difference -- even if we are successful (or perhaps because of it) we give a damn about our community and our country, not just ourselves.

So who is the most "mature?"

So calling out someone for being bigoted and hateful makes me hateful (and is there any real debate around here that the stuff Dave posts is incredibly hateful)?
Are you kidding me? I'm not a hater in the least. I'm passionate about what I believe, but I'm far more about the positive than the negative. I've got an extremely open mind. And I've got friends all over the political spectrum -- many of whom I vigorously disagree with -- but I don't even come close to being a hater. Never have been. Never will be.

And what about the people who posted after my quoted post above who agreed with what I said -- Econoline and Gob -- are they haters too?

I'm honestly floored you think that, but whatever. You're entitled to your opinion.

[Guinevere]

And again, I ask:

If you really wanted to provoke a discussion, why not challenge the specifics of what I said, instead of attacking me personally.

[@meric@nwom@n]

I've got an extremely open mind. And I've got friends all over the political spectrum -- many of whom I vigorously disagree with -- but I don't even come close to being a hater. Never have been. Never will be.

Oh yeah Dave's a hater, but I expect that he sees that he is a hater. He just accepts that. It's people like you, the ones who hate behind some kind of facade and who somehow manage to think their particular brand of hate is ok...they sicken me the most. It makes no difference liberal or conservative.

I don't know you outside of here, I only know how you present here and based on what I have read of yours on here I hold you to be the worst hater on the board.

Guinevere wrote:If you really wanted to provoke a discussion, why not challenge the specifics of what I said, instead of attacking me personally.

Thinking it over it has to be because your respons was so rapid and so predictable that I was completely irked.

[loCAtek]

...FWIW To my mind, Guinevere has never come across as bigoted nor hateful at all. Frankly, I'm baffled by that accusation.


Meanwhile back on topic, the Civil Rights movement was founded on non-violence, which has proven to be the most effective means of change. IMHO Black folks would never start a group so backward as the Tea Party, that forsakes rationality for sensationalism.

At best, this 'party' allows bigots to legally blow off some steam, and at least now we know who the racists are.

[Gob]

It's all a bit over the top, and don't you think , for instance Nugent's proclamation was greeted with a great deal of approbation by whites?

The mistake the author makes is racist, he assumes all whites think alike, and all blacks think alike.

It's a bad case of "reductiio ad absurdum."

Oh, and you two bitches calm down a bit and get back in the kitchen...

[oldr_n_wsr]

Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition.

Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember all those "white protestors" descending upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia with AK47's, handguns and ammunition. Seems a little "dramatic" on the part of the author.

Imagine that a rap artist were to say, in reference to a white president: “He’s a piece of shit and I told him to suck on my machine gun.” Because that’s what rocker Ted Nugent said recently about President Obama.

I've heard similar from some rappers. "cop killer" and the like.

Let’s play a game, shall we? The name of the game is called “Imagine.”

John Lennons estate might have the copyright on that.

Anyway, IMHO the writer is doing exactly what the bigots on the white side do when the topic of Affirmative Action and other similar policies get discussed.

And this, my friends, is what white privilege is all about. The ability to threaten others, to engage in violent and incendiary rhetoric without consequence, to be viewed as patriotic and normal no matter what you do, and never to be feared and despised as people of color would be, if they tried to get away with half the shit we do, on a daily basis.

I have no privilege and never have threatened anyone who didn't deserve it (a white guy beating on his girlfriend who happened to be a friend of mine). And I don't see anything patriotic about pushing a more dividing wedge between blacks and whites as this article appears to do (at least to me, but then again, I am white so maybe I only see one side of it).

My motto(s)
Treat everyone with respect.
You get a certain amount of respect right at the first time I meet you. You can either gain more respect or lose more respect. I don't care your race, religion, whatever, be respectful as I will wethere I agree or disagree with you/your position.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
But if you screw with me, I will screw with you. this one is a face to face thing as I could give a crap what people say to me on the internet as it has no lasting value and no impact on my real life

Be nice.
I start out nice and will usually continue to be nice as long as I can. I have a high tolerance of un-niceness, but when the dam is broken, be prepared.

I'm sure I forgot one or two but, Have a nice day and if I remember more I'll post them

[Gob]

Bravo O-n-W!!

[@meric@nwom@n]

That is precisely what I was thinking ONW, and is precisely my point about Guin and her shrill, repetitious and transparent comments about teabaggers. No one grouping deserves to be painted with the same brush, be they liberal or conservative. It ain't one size fits all. It's irksome and tiresome and not helpful.

Biotry is a 2 way street.

[Guinevere]

It is clear to anyone who reads my posts that I'm not any of the names you've decided to call me, @W. Apparently I irked you. C'est la vie, and welcome to the internet.

I can happily ignore you from here on out. Hopefully, you can do the same.

[oldr_n_wsr]

There are some good ideas from tea-baggers just as there are some good ideas from ultra-liberals (what is the opposite of tea baggers?)

[rant]
I grow tires of the partisan politics. I am fiscally conservative (in nature and attitude as I believe your fiscal house has to be "in order") but I do listen to dems, libs and middle as many of their ideas are not to be discounted "out of hand" just because they are of a different political affiliation. And that is what pisses me off more than anything.

Tax and spend or cut and reduce, either way we, the people end up with nothing. Nothing being done, nothing being resolved. The state and local govs around here are holding hte line on property taxes. The state does this by cutting off school spending which leads to higher school taxes. So who pays anyway? The locals do this by closing parks or charging more to get into these parks. So who pays anyway? The state cannot afford to bail out teh MTA as they don';t want to raise the state income/property taxes so they creat a new "MTA payroll tax". So who pays anyway?

I understand that there are needs and services that absolutley have to be provide by the gov, but damn there has to be some better ideas out there.

A few years ago Bernadette Castro was the parks comissioner. She wanted to sell "sign space" to corporations at the state parks to generate much needed funds. People went ballistic but now they are reaping the (non) benefits of that as either teh parks are closed or you a paying a fee (or a higher fee) to use them, and again people are protesting.

It all just gets me seriously frustrated. Now I have no "silver bullet" idea, but people out there do have ideas and whatever their party or political leanings happen to be, maybe the idea is not so 'stupid".
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[dgs49]

The problem I have with the linked essay is that it ascribes to all who are in any associated with the "Tea Party" the statements and motives of any one of them, regardless of how extreme. It is no way to frame a discussion of any movement or group of people.

BTW, I would like a few examples of statements I have made here or anyplace else that are "hateful." Since everything I post is full of "hate," they shouldn't be difficult to find.

Love & Kisses,

Dave
akd DGS49

[Gob]

The problem I have with the linked essay is that it ascribes to all who are in any associated with the "Tea Party" the statements and motives of any one of them, regardless of how extreme. It is no way to frame a discussion of any movement or group of people.

Yes, Dave, a point on which I have called you on already eh?

Now, the municipalities and states are essentially bankrupt, and we the taxpayers will again be supporting sluggards who in decades past were so mediocre that the only job they could find was a government job, again retiring at age 50 or 52, while we work to near 7o, to keep them cozy and warm in their thirty and forty year retirements.

Nice, huh?

In all these cases, as in France today, the beneficiaries of these programs care not one whit about where the money shall come from. all they know is that they WANT it, and they don't want to hear any excuses why they won't get it. F--ck everyone but me, laddy.

Mote / Beam Dave