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EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:53 am
by Scooter
Score another one against the evolutionary throwbacks populating the Republican Congress:
WASHINGTON — The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has ruled that existing civil rights law bars sexual orientation-based employment discrimination — a groundbreaking decision to advance legal protections for gay, lesbian, and bisexual workers.

“[A]llegations of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation necessarily state a claim of discrimination on the basis of sex,” the commission concluded in a decision dated July 15.

The independent commission addressed the question of whether the ban on sex discrimination in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 bars anti-LGB discrimination in a complaint brought by a Florida-based air traffic control specialist against Transportation Sec. Anthony Foxx.

The ruling — approved by a 3-2 vote of the five-person commission — applies to federal employees’ claims directly, but it also applies to the entire EEOC, which includes its offices across the nation that take and investigate claims of discrimination in private employment.

While only the Supreme Court could issue a definitive ruling on the interpretation, EEOC decisions are given significant deference by federal courts.

In 2012, the commission addressed a similar issue regarding whether transgender workers are protected under the sex discrimination ban from discrimination. There, in a case brought by Mia Macy against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the commission ruled that gender identity-based discrimination is barred by the sex discrimination ban. In December 2014, the Justice Department announced a similar view of the law — stating that it would apply that interpretation in its cases.
While the EEOC had been pushing toward today’s decision with cases and even field guidance addressing coverage under Title VII of specific types of discrimination faced by gay people, the July 15 decision states that “sexual orientation is inherently a ‘sex-based consideration.’”

In reviewing courts’ prior interpretation of the words of Title VII, the commission acknowledged plainly that sexual orientation itself is not listed as a type of discrimination barred in the 1964 law.

“[T]he question is not whether sexual orientation is explicitly listed in Title VII as a prohibited basis for employment actions. It is not,” the commission found. Instead, the commission stated that the question is the same as in any other Title VII sex discrimination case: “whether the agency has ‘relied on sex-based considerations’ or ‘take[n] gender into account’ when taking the challenged employment action.”

The commission found that sexual orientation discrimination is sex discrimination for several reasons. Among the reasons, the commission stated, is because sexual orientation discrimination “necessarily entails treating an employee less favorably because of the employee’s sex” and “because it is associational discrimination on the basis of sex.”

After a review of the case law regarding similar challenges to employment practices alleging a violation of Title VII where the initial understanding of the law would not have included that coverage, the commission stated, “The courts have gone where the principles of Title VII have directed.”

“Our task is the same,” the decision found. “We therefore conclude that Complainant’s allegations of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation state a claim of discrimination on the basis of sex. We further conclude that allegations of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation necessarily state a claim of discrimination on the basis of sex.”
The EEOC decision

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:28 am
by Long Run
This will likely be overturned by the courts because clearly Congress did not intend for this law to apply to sexual orientation. In statutory interpretation, it is the specific intent of the Congress that passed the law which is determinative (there is no evolving of rights as under the Constitution). This case is interesting in that it involves a federal agency allegedly discriminating based on sexual orientation, and the agency has a policy against doing such and has a remedy for this, but the employee wanted to make a real federal case out of this (punaholics never go into recovery). If this case were to be successful, then the ruling would apply to all employers, private and public, which is likely why the case was filed with the EEOC.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:24 am
by Scooter
Did you read the ruling? They clearly explain why discrimination based on sexual orientation is in effect discrimination based on sex, and that Congress did not limit protection against sex discrimination to heterosexuals.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:54 am
by MajGenl.Meade
"Sex" as in discrimination based on gender - not "sex", as in chosen form of getting off.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:18 pm
by Big RR
Read the decision Meade; in goes into detail why discrimination based on sexual orientation is discrimination based on sex (gender) because the sexual orientation discrimination is based on the gender(s) of the individual(s) involved.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:37 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Homosexuals are by gender either men or women as are heterosexuals. I can see transgender/bisexual being a different case. Bias against how people choose to insert their parts into other people's parts is not the same thing as bias against gender. I'm sure though that a true sophist will use the two different meanings of "sex" to confuse them both

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:58 pm
by Big RR
If a man is in a relationship with another man are you not objecting to it because of the gender of at least one of the parties (i.e. if one of them were a woman it would somehow be "OK")? That is what the EEOC found. No sophistry in the meaning of "sex" so far as I saw.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:10 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
I am not objecting to the gender of the person applying for the job or whatever. He/she may nor may not be in a relationship and I don't need to know that. The law should properly halt discrimination based on sex (meaning gender) AND sexual orientation. "Based on sex" (gender) does not mean based on how one chooses to have sex (activity).

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:23 pm
by Long Run
I read the opinion and was unpersuaded. In fact the political appointees on the EEOC board did not even attempt to justify their decision based on the intent of Congress, instead stringing together a few court cases that may or may not be well-reasoned and supportive of the result here, when everyone knows Congress did not intend to include sexual orientation and identity in the list of protected categories when it passed Title VII as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Simple question: why would ENDA be necessary if the existing law already provides Title VII rights based on sexual orientation and identity?

The answer is obvious, and simply highlights that democracy can be a messy and slow business sometimes. Congress will eventually, and likely sooner than we think, adopt ENDA. This particular decision may not be appealed, though, because the "loser" was a federal agency that presumably is in favor of this result (being part of the Administration which favors ENDA), which, of course, makes one wonder how effective the case was presented for the employer-agency.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:08 pm
by Scooter
Long Run wrote:I read the opinion and was but am unpersuadedable.
FTFY
the political appointees on the EEOC board...
were doing the job they were appointed to do. I'm sorry that their decision did not support your desire to see gay and lesbian employees fired for who they are.
...did not even attempt to justify their decision based on the intent of Congress, ...
The intent of Congress was to prohibit the use of sex as a means of discrimination in employment, and the EEOC has clearly demonstrated how discrimination based on sexual orientation does precisely that.
...instead stringing together a few court cases that may or may not be well-reasoned and supportive of the result here,...
Much easier to lob this sideswipe at all of the cited precedents than to actually have to argue that they do not apply.
...when everyone knows Congress did not intend to include sexual orientation and identity in the list of protected categories when it passed Title VII as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
And for reasons that the EEOC clearly presented in its ruling, it doesn't matter.
Simple question: why would ENDA be necessary if the existing law already provides Title VII rights based on sexual orientation and identity?
Why should the Civil Rights Act have been required to protect the right of African Americans to vote, when clearly the 14th and 15th Amendments were designed explicity for that purpose?

Sometimes that which is staring us right in the face needs to be pointed out to us anyway, and the EEOC has done precisely that in this case.
Congress will eventually, and likely sooner than we think I want, adopt ENDA.
FTFY

At least with Dave gay people know where they stand, he does nothing to attempt to conceal his contempt for all of us. You try to hide yours behind your whining about "the process" and think you're any less transparent than he is.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:55 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Ability and character are what I look for in a job candidate.
















And tatoos :mrgreen:

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:00 pm
by Long Run
You try to hide yours behind your whining about "the process" and think you're any less transparent than he is.
You're wrong about that. That I believe society should function a certain way, and specifically that agency bureaucrats and political appointees should not make law that exceeds the authority granted them by the legislature, does not mean I don't want things to change. Your apparent inability to understand that is confusing since you are obviously very intelligent. Can you not see how the worm can turn, with bureaucrats upsetting the will of the voters who won hard-fought legislative victories that you favor?
Why should the Civil Rights Act have been required to protect the right of African Americans to vote, when clearly the 14th and 15th Amendments were designed explicity for that purpose?
To provide meat to the bare bones and define what constitutes discrimination (as specifically provided in the amendments). I guess the courts could have fashioned their remedies, but so much better that Congress spelled it out in detail. But this is a good example because it is the exact opposite of the EEOC ruling: in the Voting Rights Act situation, the clear intent of the controlling provision was to address a specific type of discrimination; whereas, in the EEOC the case above, the controlling statute never was intended to address this type of discrimination otherwise Congress would have mentioned it, and there wouldn't have been periodic attempts since 1974 to pass ENDA.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:17 pm
by Scooter
Long Run wrote:That I believe society should function a certain way, and specifically that agency bureaucrats and political appointees should not make law that exceeds the authority granted them by the legislature, does not mean I don't want things to change. Your apparent inability to understand that is confusing since you are obviously very intelligent.
I'm observant enough to see that no matter how any of these changes come about, you always have something backhanded to say about. If it's done by a court you say it should have been the legislature, even though you never say that about any analogous ground of discrimination. If it's done by a legislature, you say it should have been done by referendum, even though you would never subject the civil rights of any other group to popular vote. When it's done by referendum, it's because people have been brainwashed by a biased media.

So spare me the platitudes, I don't buy the act.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:14 pm
by rubato
It is an interesting argument; that it amounts to gender discrimination because you are discriminating based on the genders of their married partners.


I have to say that it appears that they have discovered what is an inevitable and logical consequence of legalizing homosexual marriage.


Republicans, naturally, will try to 'signal' to their constituents that they hate the same people they do and think it would be a better world if they could still beat homosexuals into a coma with impunity. The same as their policy with Mexican immigrants ( vide Trumps triumph in the polls ) nigras &c.


yrs,
rubato

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:31 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
In England there's a move to replace fox hunting with beating homosexuals into a comma with Mexicans. The shortage of Mexicans is proving problematic but it's anticipated the governing authority (BHIACWM) will authorize the use of Moslems instead. It does have the virtue of not requiring a change in acronym.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:24 pm
by Econoline
The shortage of Mexicans is proving problematic
Not to mention the shortage of commas.

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Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:36 am
by wesw
fox news is just lousy with fruit loops and bossy ass women. they also let the damned liberals come on and say what ever they want.

it s just un American damn it....

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:13 pm
by Guinevere
Long Run wrote:I read the opinion and was unpersuaded. In fact the political appointees on the EEOC board did not even attempt to justify their decision based on the intent of Congress, instead stringing together a few court cases that may or may not be well-reasoned and supportive of the result here, when everyone knows Congress did not intend to include sexual orientation and identity in the list of protected categories when it passed Title VII as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Simple question: why would ENDA be necessary if the existing law already provides Title VII rights based on sexual orientation and identity?

The answer is obvious, and simply highlights that democracy can be a messy and slow business sometimes. Congress will eventually, and likely sooner than we think, adopt ENDA. This particular decision may not be appealed, though, because the "loser" was a federal agency that presumably is in favor of this result (being part of the Administration which favors ENDA), which, of course, makes one wonder how effective the case was presented for the employer-agency.
I read the opinion, and I've read many of the case (several of them come out of the MA federal courts) and I am persuaded. You're missing the point here Long Run -- I think the rationale is similar to that of the inclusion of sexual harassment under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. To be actionable, that harassment can be against or by men or women, and same sex harassment is actionable. Harassment doesn't even have to be sexual in nature, but if it creates a hostile work environment, it is forbidden. But the Act doesn't use the word "harass" or the phrase "hostile work environment" instead the courts have found, as here, that those types of discriminatory practices are based on the sex of the employee, and such practices are forbidden.

Re: EEOC does end run around GOP refusal to pass ENDA

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:48 pm
by rubato
congress:

" 2 + 2 = 4 "

The real world:

"2 + 2 + 3 = 7"

Scalia:

"That was clearly not the intent of congress therefore 2 + 2 + 3 = 4"


yrs,
rubato

He seems angrier and more deranged all the time. Is he a smoker? Does he have restricted blood flow to his brain?