House Republicans voted Friday to strip tens of millions of federal dollars from enemy No. 1 – Planned Parenthood. Similar efforts have already failed in the Senate — and President Obama is certain to veto any such bill if it came to his desk — but the vote gave legislators an opportunity to reignite a fight against the country's largest abortion provider.
Related Planned Parenthood gets $500 million in public funds. Here's where it goes.
The abortion-defunding fight wasn’t always waged this way.
In fact, Republicans used to have a more ambitious line of attack, one that aimed to take on all providers of the procedure. But since 2011, they’ve shifted strategy. Instead of focusing on a hazy notion of abortion providers, they created a clear enemy in Planned Parenthood.
The chief outcome of this strategy was success in states, where local legislators have followed up and voted to defund Planned Parenthood. At the same time, anti-abortion outside groups have kept up the same cause, focusing on the nonprofit as a prime target in the fight to end abortion.
So now as videos are going viral, showing controversial discussions of Planned Parenthood procuring fetal tissue for researchers, Republicans had the perfect opportunity to revisit their nemesis in presidential primary debates — and on Capitol Hill.
yrs,
rubato
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:31 pm
by wesw
ah well, when life gets hard it s easy to feel down...., to feel bad about one s self....
"... At Wednesday's debate, Carly Fiorina received thunderous applause for challenging Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to watch a specific scene from the Planned Parenthood sting tapes. The scene, she said, showed "a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain."
Related Carly Fiorina is wrong about the Planned Parenthood tapes. I know because I watched them.
But when asked for a citation, her campaign replied with a video that isn't from the Planned Parenthood sting tapes at all — and that still doesn't show what Fiorina said it did.
Over email, campaign spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores pointed to a one-minute clip from a YouTube account called "Save Babies." That's different from the Center for Medical Progress, the group behind the sting videos. At the time, the video had accrued just over 800 views.
What the video does not show is the scene Fiorina described. While there is discussion from the former StemExpress employer of procuring fetal brain tissue — a practice Planned Parenthood openly admits happens in its clinics — there is no discussion of keeping a fetus alive for that purpose. There are videos of fetuses moving and kicking, but those were not shot at a Planned Parenthood clinic.
yrs,
rubato
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:13 am
by wesw
well, maybe we should stop killing babies, except in the most extreme of circumstances?
do you support killing babies , rube?
do you also say that we need to have immigrants to keep us viable financially, ie-social security, and so that we have enough labor?
perhaps if we didn t kill our children we would not have those problems.....
and even if our population does drop, doesn t that leave more resources for each person? more land? more space? would you put us all in little boxes?
sure there would be one generation that would have to support the boomers, then its easy peasy.
why should we kill our babies , rube?
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:12 pm
by Big RR
That's right, unwanted babies born to people unprepared to deal with raising them always grow up to be well adjusted and productive citizens. after all, our social services to children and families are the envy of the world.
The issue of "killing babies" aside, why insist that these children be brought into the world and then ignore their needs?
Why insist that children, incapable of raising them, be forced to do so with no real alternatives?
Why place them into a system where many don't even get minimally adequate medical care?
And why fight to defund Planned Parenthood, which for many provides the only education of how to avoid these unwanted pregnancies in the first place?
Even if those and the other attendant problems of unwanted pregnancy and children were resolved, I would not count myself among those who claim to be "pro life", but if you really care about babies and children, why not provide the resources to take better care of the ones we have now than to just keep arguing more need to be born? Hypocrisy much!
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:01 pm
by wesw
it s a Eugenics factory. if Planned Parenthood is the only education available to girls and women we are doing a sad job, indeed, of taking care of them.
and what of this stuff about a system where they get barely adequate care?
oh yeah, it s obamacare, the life blood of the insurance industry, bloodsucker of our nation.
what kind of half assed liberals fight for the enrichment of insurance companies in return for barely adequate (and much worse, in truth)
care?
are you "all in" with the democrat s party, come hell or high water, too, RR?
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:18 pm
by rubato
The idiots did it again!
The same jackasses who have tried to strip HC from poor people overall are lining up again to bring the government to a halt in order to deprive lower income working women of health care.
Updated by Sarah Kliff on September 18, 2015, 2:12 p.m. ET @sarahkliff sarah@vox.com
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House Republicans voted Friday to strip tens of millions of federal dollars from enemy No. 1 – Planned Parenthood. Similar efforts have already failed in the Senate — and President Obama is certain to veto any such bill if it came to his desk — but the vote gave legislators an opportunity to reignite a fight against the country's largest abortion provider.
Related Planned Parenthood gets $500 million in public funds. Here's where it goes.
The abortion-defunding fight wasn’t always waged this way.
In fact, Republicans used to have a more ambitious line of attack, one that aimed to take on all providers of the procedure. But since 2011, they’ve shifted strategy. Instead of focusing on a hazy notion of abortion providers, they created a clear enemy in Planned Parenthood.
The chief outcome of this strategy was success in states, where local legislators have followed up and voted to defund Planned Parenthood. At the same time, anti-abortion outside groups have kept up the same cause, focusing on the nonprofit as a prime target in the fight to end abortion.
I think their chance of winning a presidential election is fading rapidly.
Anti-abortion politicians are in an uproar over videos that supposedly show Planned Parenthood representatives negotiating on prices for tissue from aborted fetuses. Carly Fiorina was passionate about the subject in this week’s Republican debate. Nothing she said was accurate, but nobody’s perfect.
The House Judiciary Committee has been investigating the matter with lawyerly precision, starting with a hearing titled: “Planned Parenthood Exposed: Examining the Horrific Abortion Practices at the Nation’s Largest Abortion Provider.” In a further effort to offer balance and perspective, the committee did not invite Planned Parenthood to testify.
Planned Parenthood gets about $500 million a year from the federal government, mainly in reimbursements for treating Medicaid patients. Now the House Freedom Caucus, which specializes in threatening to shut down the government, has announced that its members won’t vote for any spending bill unless the money is eliminated.
At Wednesday’s debate, Jeb Bush issued a popular Republican call for transferring the money to other “community-based organizations” that provide women’s health services. “That’s the way you do this is you improve the condition for people,” he said. As only Jeb Bush can.
You may recall that Bush made a similar suggestion earlier in the campaign, in which he added — to his lasting regret — “although I’m not sure we need half a billion dollars for women’s health issues.”
“I misspoke,” the former governor of Florida said later. Well, that does seem to happen a lot. But do you think it was really a slip of the tongue? Or are there other services Planned Parenthood provides that Bush would be happy to get rid of as well? He did once write a book that tackled the subject of how to reduce abortions without ever mentioning the word “contraception.”
This leads us to an important question about the Planned Parenthood debate: Are the people who want to put it out of business just opposed to the abortions (which don’t receive federal funds), or are they against family planning, period?
“I’m telling you, it’s family planning,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said in a phone interview. “They decided that was their target long ago.”
Let’s look at the even larger question: Can Congress really just move the Planned Parenthood money to other health care providers? Besides family planning services, Planned Parenthood offers everything from breast exams to screening for sexually transmitted infections. Many of its patients live in poor or rural areas without a lot of other options.
Another move-the-money presidential candidate is Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana — he’s the one issuing round-the-clock insults to Donald Trump in the desperate hope of attracting a little attention.
Jindal cut off $730,000 in Medicaid reimbursements to his state’s two Planned Parenthood clinics, even though neither offers abortion services. They do, however, provide thousands of women with health care, including screening for sexually transmitted infections — a terrible problem in some parts of the state.
“It strikes me as extremely odd that you have a dermatologist, an audiologist, a dentist who are billing for family planning services,” responded the judge.
Whoops. It appeared that the list-makers had overestimated a tad, and the number of alternate providers was actually more like 29. None of which had the capacity to take on a flood of additional patients.
When Planned Parenthood leaves town, bad things follow. Ask the county in Indiana that drove out its clinic, which happened to be the only place in the area that offered H.I.V. testing. That was in 2013; in March the governor announced a “public health emergency” due to the spike in H.I.V. cases.
Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health law and policy at George Washington University, studied what happened when Texas blocked Planned Parenthood grants and tried to move the money to other providers. Even when there were other clinics in an area, she said, “they were overbooked with their own patients. What happened in Texas was the amount of family planning services dropped. And the next thing that happened, of course, was that unplanned pregnancies began to rise.”
If an elected official wants to try to drive Planned Parenthood out of business, there are two honest options: Announce that first you’re going to invest a ton of new taxpayer money in creating real substitutes, or shrug your shoulders and tell the world that you’re fine with cutting off health services to some of your neediest constituents.
If you get heat, you can always say you misspoke.
Oh, and by the way...that $500 million figure? That includes *ALL* federal, state, and local government funding that Planned Parenthood receives.
Look, I get that many Republicans want to get rid of abortions because abortions are yucky. (So are open-heart surgery, brain surgery, and, for that matter, childbirth. Just sayin'. You could probably find videos to prove it.) So why doesn't the federal government just de-fund abortions and leave the other 97% of PP's services alone? Oh, wait. I forgot. Been there, done that, got the Henry Hyde t-shirt. No federal funds are used for abortion; that's already illegal.
Fewer than 1 percent of 700 Planned Parenthood affiliated clinics nationwide offer fetal tissue donation for medical research (the few that do are only in California and Washington state) and for that matter, quite a few PP clinics don't even do abortions. If Congress really just wants to get rid of fetal tissue research, why don't they try passing a federal law against fetal tissue research? Just try. See how far that gets.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:52 pm
by wesw
...and let s not leave the issues of killing babies aside. I can t call a fairly developed fetus a piece, or pieces, of tissue.
can you?
well, maybe after it is killed it is tissue....
will you be able to swallow the "sensibility" of soylent green in a few short decades?
the efficiency of it is scientific and logical, no?
the soylent veal is especially tender and tasty.....
I believe we have free will, and perhaps abortion should available. it should not be preferred or pushed. oh, and planned parenthood does push abortions. at least they did in 1990. if my son s mother had listened to them, my son would not be....
she wasn t a good parent, and she wasn t prepared to be a mother, but there were options. I would never abandon my child.
you say women should have equal rights?
Amen. I say that men should too, when it comes to the life or death of their child. Any objections to that?
should we disregard and not consult the father s and families?
bah. such an unpleasant subject. if anything is worth suffering for...., I guess the children top the list.
what if there is love and nurturing just waiting to be found and no one bothers to look for it?
a crying shame. planned parent hood should live or die by its own devices, the government should not be its sugar daddy.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:42 pm
by Big RR
OK, wes, I realize this is an emotional issue, but I still say that it is more important to deal with the underserved born babies we have than to worry about some yet to be born. You blame Obamacare for underserving people? I blame Medicaid in general (a program which predates even a gleam int he eye of Obamacare, or even a president Obama) and the dinosaurs who bristle at any mention of providing birth control advice to young girls (you know, most of the ones who end up with unwanted pregnancies) because it doesn't suit their religious/moral beliefs). You say you would have been there for your son (I am presuming you know the fetus was male); I believe you, but can tell you from experience that there are many more men who would not be and are not there--some because they don't care to be, others because they don't have the ability to be, still others, because they don't even know if they are the father. There are options? Sure, but none are particularly good.
Planned parenthood provides abortions and abortion counseling; in most cases "guilty as charged", both then see econo's link about Jindall cutting funds to PP that did not do this. And what, you really equate family planning with being a eugenics factory? I guess there's nothing else to add now.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:28 pm
by dales
Margaret Sanger has been lauded by some as a woman of valor, but a closer look reveals that Planned Parenthood’s audacious founder had some unsavory things to say about matters of race, birth control, and abortion. An outspoken eugenicist herself, Sanger consistently promoted racist ideals with a contemptuous attitude.
margaretsanger4Read on to learn why Planned Parenthood hides behind a false memory of Sanger, and why, despite her extraordinarily prolific writing career, one rarely sees her quoted by Planned Parenthood leaders and apologists.
The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.
Woman and the New Race, ch. 6: “The Wickedness of Creating Large Families.” Here, Sanger argues that, because the conditions of large families tend to involve poverty and illness, it is better for everyone involved if a child’s life is snuffed out before he or she has a chance to pose difficulties to its family.
[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
“Plan for Peace” from Birth Control Review (April 1932, pp. 107-108)
Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies… and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit…
Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.
“America Needs a Code for Babies,” 27 Mar 1934
Give dysgenic groups [people with “bad genes”] in our population their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization.
April 1932 Birth Control Review, pg. 108
Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.
Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.
We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.
A woman’s duty: To look the whole world in the face with a go-to-hell look in the eyes… to speak and act in defiance of convention.
The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1
[The most penetrating thinkers] are coming to see that a qualitative factor as opposed to a quantitative one is of primary importance in dealing with the great masses of humanity.
Pivot of Civilization, 1922. Here, Margaret Sanger speaks on her eugenic philosophy – that only the types of “quality” people she and her peers viewed as worthy of life should be allowed to live.
Such parents swell the pathetic ranks of the unemployed. Feeble-mindedness perpetuates itself from the ranks of those who are blandly indifferent to their racial responsibilities. And it is largely this type of humanity we are now drawing upon to populate our world for the generations to come. In this orgy of multiplying and replenishing the earth, this type is pari passu multiplying and perpetuating those direst evils in which we must, if civilization is to survive, extirpate by the very roots.
The Need for Birth Control in America (quoted by Angela Franks.)
Women of the working class, especially wage workers, should not have more than two children at most. The average working man can support no more and and the average working woman can take care of no more in decent fashion.
“Family Limitation,” eighth edition revised, 1918
LifeNews Note: Lauren is a Legislative Associate for Texas Right to Life and a graduate of Ave Maria University. This post originally appeared at Live Action News and is reprinted with permission.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:49 pm
by wesw
no RR.
I was, and still am there for my son. he just left here 15 minutes ago.
either I wasn t clear or you misread something.
I stopped reading your post when I got to that part, maybe I ll go back and read the rest of your post now....
eta- I don t recall saying anything against birth control either.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:05 pm
by Big RR
Sorry Wes, I misunderstood what you wrote. As I said, it is great you were there for your son, but not every father is; some are little more than sperm providers.
I don t recall saying anything against birth control either.
the n what did you mean when you called Planned Parenthood a "Eugenics factory"?
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:18 pm
by Guinevere
Screw you Republicans. PP doesn't receive federal funding for abortions, and only 3% of their services is providing abortions. NINETY SEVEN PERCENT of their services is contraception, cancer screening, and other health-related services. Most of it provided for poor women who do not have health insurance and cannot afford birth control, preventative care or testing, or other services, on their own. The Rs are trying to force PP out of existence because they are one of the last places left a woman *can* get an abortion -- many of the other have been harassed and bullied away.
And the irony --- so many who supported the Hobby Lobby exemption from providing birth control as part of health insurance claimed the women denied the coverage could "get it from PP" and now, look, now they want to get rid of PP.
We are *not* going back 100 years. Women are *not* required to be nothing more than reproductive devices. Sing it Lizzie!!
ETA: NOTHING makes me angrier than the ongoing attacks on women by the right, the Republicans, the so-called Christians. I will never stop fighting this battle, and I will use every skill I possess, every trick in the book, every card I can play, to defeat them.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:07 pm
by Big RR
Guin--the hypocrisy screams here. The best way to reduce the number of abortions is to provide education about and access to effective contraception, an PP was a major provider of this. The best way to set the stage for more abortions? Be sure there are more unwanted pregnancies by restricting such education and access. But it plays to the crowd that just wants to bitch. And so it goes...
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 pm
by Guinevere
Not just bitch, but subjugate and control women.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:54 am
by wesw
oh golly day, go have a pity party with Washerwoman-Schultz will ya?
the only people subjugating women are muslims. don t act like a nutcase, Hillary ain t worth it.
Re: The GOP continues the war on women.
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:09 pm
by wesw
officially putting Guin on Ignore......
disgusting politics of division.
republicans are evil. I get it. say hello to rube on the Darkside.