Social media users have barely been able to contain their delight at claims in a new biography that British Prime Minister David Cameron put "a private part of his anatomy" into the mouth of a dead pig at an initiation ceremony while he was a student at Oxford University.
The allegation was published in Call Me Dave: The Unauthorised Biography and attributed to "a distinguished Oxford contemporary" who is himself an MP, co-authors Lord Michael Ashcroft and Isabel Oakeshott said.
The act was allegedly performed at an event hosted by the notorious Oxford dining club, the Piers Gaveston, named in honour of the supposed lover of King Edward II of England.
The secret society, which also claims actor Hugh Grant and the Mayor of London Boris Johnson among its former members, is known for its debauched parties, sexual excesses and bizarre entertainment.
Social media responded with an explosion of pork puns as the hashtag #piggate began trending overnight.
Ashcroft and Oakeshott claim they have tried to contact an individual who allegedly has photographic evidence of the act, but the person has refused to respond.
"My co-author Isabel Oakeshott and I initially assumed this was a joke. It was therefore a surprise when, some weeks later, the MP repeated the allegation," they wrote for Britain's Daily Mail, which began serialising the biography on Sunday night.
The MP repeated the claim a third time several months later, saying the pig's head "had been resting on the lap of a Piers Gaveston society member while Cameron performed the act", Ashcroft and Oakeshott wrote.
"Perhaps it is a case of mistaken identity. Yet it is an elaborate story for an otherwise credible figure to invent."
Downing Street has not responded to the claim.
PigGate
PigGate
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: PigGate
Goodness, that IS nasty! How like you to have found it and dragged it in here. And to think I might have lived out the rest of my life without thinking about the English conservative ruling classes sticking their dicks in dead swine.
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rubato
yrs,
rubato
Re: PigGate
Oh god, Aspergers strikes again...
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Re: PigGate
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Re: PigGate
Gob wrote:Oh god, Aspergers strikes again...
Play to your strengths! Embrace your true identity. No one finds nasty meaningless crap like you do. You're the champion of filth and disgust.
yrs,
rubato
Re: PigGate
Poor old Aspergers boy has no idea what happens outside of his little bubble, he cannot see the bigger picture, nor the ramifications..
For more than 24 hours now, Downing Street has been refusing to dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with an official response.
Privately Downing Street officials have been dismissing the claims contained in the peer's biography of David Cameron as "ridiculous" and "nonsense".
But what does the prime minister think himself about the lurid allegations of drug taking and porcine ritual?
Well, he gave some sense of his views at a Conservative fundraising dinner at the Carlton Club last night.
He told the 300 guests that he had had to go to hospital earlier in the day for a bad back, the result of some over-energetic wood chopping in his constituency at the weekend.
The surgeon told Mr Cameron that he would need an injection and asked him to lie on his front.
The doctor then said: "This will just be a little prick, just a stab in the back."
Which, the prime minister said, "rather summed up my day".
Politics, as all here know, has never been rubato's strong point. Anything beyond "Republicans/Christians/British bad!! Ugh!~!" is too complex for him.Britain has a long tradition of citizens returning home with the loot of empire and expecting glory and high office as a result. When Clive of India did so and was charged with massive corruption, he replied loftily, “I stand astonished at my own moderation.”
Lord Ashcroft is clearly an angry man. His self-published “revelations” about David Cameron are hardly designed to please the leader of the party he financed for many years. Those that concern Cameron’s controversial lifestyle at university clearly fall into the Private Eye category of “too good to check”.
Few public figures welcome their youthful antics seen in the glare of biography. Some statute of limitation should apply, and does so in the view of most people. What the prime minister did, or now appears not to have done, to an Oxfordshire pig really should not reflect on his fitness for office.
The accusation of impropriety in giving Ashcroft a peerage after his £8m donation to the Conservative party is a different matter. At the time Cameron vigorously denied any knowledge that Ashcroft was non-domiciled. Since everyone knew that Ashcroft’s home and fortune were based in Belize, which is not part of Hampshire, this does not ring true. A simple question would have elicited the truth. It was generally accepted that non-doms should not be made peers.
Cameron’s use of the House of Lords to reward aides, cronies and donors might leave even Tony Blair astonished at his own moderation. But in truth it is British politics itself that is on trial, yet again. It cannot be right in a modern democracy for seats in its parliament to be such blatant rewards for donations. Such chicanery degrades the entire constitution. Jibes by ministers at corruption in poor countries are rendered hypocritical. Politics is laid open to a demi-monde of dodgy money that has always hovered round power but, in Britain, is welcomed in and rewarded.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: PigGate
What a lying pussy. It is a nasty story and you have a long history of dragging back nastiness. It is your metier.
yrs,
rubato
yrs,
rubato
Re: PigGate
Where have I lied Aspergers boy?
It is the headline UK story, so worthy of inclusion here, also the underlying causes and themes have ramifications across UK politics.
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You thick twat
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The Daily Mail says David Cameron once 'inserted a private part of his...
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The book, called Call Me Dave, features a source who claimed to be present during the pig incident and has photographic evidence. However, the book also makes it clear that Ashcroft and Oakshott failed to actually obtain the photo in question. That ...
David Cameron 'put his private parts in a dead pig's mouth' claims explosive ...
Mirror.co.uk - Sep 20, 2015
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Sturgeon says Cameron allegations have 'entertained the whole country ...
The Guardian (blog) - Sep 21, 2015
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Express.co.uk - Sep 20, 2015
Mr Ashcroft said: "Perhaps it is a case of mistaken identity. Yet it is an elaborate story for an otherwise credible figure to invent. "Furthermore, there are a number of accounts of pigs' heads at debauched parties in Cameron's day." Lord Ashcroft has ...
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: PigGate
So you admit that most of what you do is to drag up nasty shit and post it here?
It is your specialty.
yrs,
rubato
It is your specialty.
yrs,
rubato
Re: PigGate
Stupid little boy, it's a lead story in the UK and internationally, I didn't "drag it up."
If the lead story in UK news is nasty, should I not post it for fear of offending your sensibilities Aspergers boy?
Maybe I should put a disclaimer; "Warning, this thread contains graphic images and adult themes, and is only suitable for viewing by persons18 yrs and older, not rubato."
Forbes
Billionaire's Tax Status Remains At Heart Of Cameron Tell-All Book Scandal
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli ... k-scandal/
Call Me Dave by Lord Ashcroft: Cameron allegedly smoked marijuana and committed lewd act in Oxford
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/call-me-dave-b ... rd-1520487
David Cameron engaged in obscene act with pig's head when a student, book claims
http://www.smh.com.au/world/david-camer ... jr7hz.html
Salon.
The most bizarre political scandal of the decade: Why has David Cameron been accused of, um, defiling a dead pig?
No, you didn't misread
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/the_mos ... _dead_pig/
If the lead story in UK news is nasty, should I not post it for fear of offending your sensibilities Aspergers boy?
Maybe I should put a disclaimer; "Warning, this thread contains graphic images and adult themes, and is only suitable for viewing by persons18 yrs and older, not rubato."
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Re: PigGate
whatever you say about gob, he does not spew hate and vitriol. he is irreverent and would probably take the piss out of jesus himself...
but he would do it in such a way that the lord himself would chuckle and forgive him...., probably.
rube on the other hand.......
but he would do it in such a way that the lord himself would chuckle and forgive him...., probably.
rube on the other hand.......
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Re: PigGate
That's better than putting it into the mouth of a live pig.put "a private part of his anatomy" into the mouth of a dead pig
And who here hasn't done stupid shit in their youth?
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Re: PigGate
Who told you about that hamster?
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
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Re: PigGate
OOOPPPsMajGenl.Meade wrote:Who told you about that hamster?
I wasn't supposed to say anything was I?
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Re: PigGate
Well, as long as you remember the sheep's a liar
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
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Re: PigGate
She is!?!?!?! But she said I was the only......