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Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:05 pm
by rubato
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Or you can have the "let them die" plan. Your choice.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:10 pm
by wesw
my way or death.

so simple

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:13 pm
by wesw
actually Obama care mandates that we enrich the middleman, the health insurers.

single payer would be better

but I think that contractual wage garnishment is more workable and would benefit doctors and patients, but not the middleman.

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:37 pm
by Big RR
single payer would be better
Absolutely, but the repubs and blue dogs refused to acknowledge (or even consider) that. Sometimes you have to compromise, and while what we have is far from perfect, many more people have access to healthcare than before.

Maybe one day we'll actually get the superior system set in place.

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:47 pm
by wesw
well RR , I have to disagree about the current system.

maybe it looks different from the bottom

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:49 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Medicare just saved me. My HCA premium was about to go up from $230 to $499 in January. Now I'm going to get more coverage for less money, effective Dec 1.

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:34 pm
by Big RR
And single payer as well Meade. You win the prize.

wes--different from the bottom--what bottom? Most people on the literal bottom had, and still have, access to Medicaid. Those a bit higher in the income strata and up are the people obamacare was designed to help. As for the cost, even those who had employer subsidized health insurance have seen their share of the premiums soar, and benefits shrink year after year. Now everyone can get on that merry go round; it's not great, but I fail to see how it is not superior to what people previously had.

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:02 pm
by BoSoxGal
Thanks to extended Medicaid in Montana and Maine, I'll be able to reapply for coverage even though currently unemployed.

That would be nice, considering I now have a debilitating chronic illness and no medical coverage. :?

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:44 pm
by dales
I am currently going the rounds with Covered California and Kaiser.

I am betwixt and between and have found myself in limbo.

The hour long wait times while trying to reach AN ACTUAL HUMAN BEING do nothing to improve my expectations of Covered California.

Kaiser says that I am not in their system even though I have paid my first premium?

So far I have had nothing BUT A VERY NEGATVE EXPERIENCE with them.

Patience is a virtue that I rapidly running out of. :evil:

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:30 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Yup, it's kicking ass all right. Kicking cancer patients asses right out of Sloan-Kettering.
New York cancer patients are ObamaCare’s latest victims
Add 250 New York cancer patients to the long list of victims of ObamaCare’s lies — just one more snapshot of the program’s ongoing death spiral.

These New Yokers are getting treatment at world-renowned Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center — but their ObamaCare policies are about to vanish, as Health Republic, one of the largest health insurers on New York state’s exchange, and the only one to cover Sloan-Kettering treatment, is shutting down at month’s end after losing $130 million.

The state exchange’s “solution”: It’ll give them an extra two weeks to find a new policy — but it has nothing that will save them from having to change hospitals and medical teams. (It is in talks with the hospital about trying to give them an extra year of coverage there — but with no word on who’ll pay.)

Robert Goldberg, vice president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest, warned of the problem two years ago in The Post: ObamaCare’s design screws cancer patients, as well as those with AIDS and other serious conditions.

To save cash, exchange policies offer very narrow networks of providers, and also stint on which medications are covered, while imposing hefty out-of-pocket costs on patients.

“The whole point of the Affordable Care Act was to make it affordable,” Vince Capone, a retired dentist with pancreatic cancer, told Newsday. “If this plan was set up but was priced too low and then went out of business, then I guess the whole thing was a sham.”

Yeah, sham is a good name for it.

The wheels on the ObamaCare bus are falling off one by one. Then again, this isn’t anything new.

Take Health Republic, whose failure is forcing 100,000 New Yorkers to find new coverage. It’s just one of 23 “health cooperatives” across the country launched with a total in $2.5 billion in taxpayer cash — and eight are closing, with another 13 headed there.

ObamaCare’s defenders insist the problem is that Congress wouldn’t give the co-ops even more cash. Others point to how the health “reform” law said the co-ops couldn’t hire anyone with insurance-industry expertise, or spend a dime on marketing.

Anyway, the exchange policies run by for-profit insurers aren’t far behind. They’re hiking premiums big-time this year – up 13 percent on average for the cheapest (“bronze”) plans, according to an Avalere Health study.

And, by the way, new sign-ups are running at half the level once predicted by the Congressional Budget Office.

Worse, the folks who are buying exchange coverage tend to be sicker and older than the “reformers” had expected — which means they’re more expensive to cover, which means premiums will have to keep rising.

Which means that folks who aren’t sick will be even less inclined to buy an ObamaCare plan.

And 2016 is the last year the taxpayers have to provide extra “risk corridor” payments to ObamaCare insurers who lose money because they didn’t charge high-enough premiums — which makes it likely future price spikes will be even larger.

So much for affordable health care.
http://nypost.com/2015/11/09/new-york-c ... t-victims/

And taking names more money.
Many Say High Deductibles Make Their Health Law Insurance All but Useless

WASHINGTON — Obama administration officials, urging people to sign up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act, have trumpeted the low premiums available on the law’s new marketplaces.

But for many consumers, the sticker shock is coming not on the front end, when they purchase the plans, but on the back end when they get sick: sky-high deductibles that are leaving some newly insured feeling nearly as vulnerable as they were before they had coverage.

“The deductible, $3,000 a year, makes it impossible to actually go to the doctor,” said David R. Reines, 60, of Jefferson Township, N.J., a former hardware salesman with chronic knee pain. “We have insurance, but can’t afford to use it.”

Dr. Mandy Cohen, the chief operating officer at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, at the hearing held by House Ways and Means Committee on Tuesday.

A three-month open enrollment period, during which people can compare and select health plans, begins on Sunday at HealthCare.gov.

In many states, more than half the plans offered for sale through HealthCare.gov, the federal online marketplace, have a deductible of $3,000 or more, a New York Times review has found. Those deductibles are causing concern among Democrats — and some Republican detractors of the health law, who once pushed high-deductible health plans in the belief that consumers would be more cost-conscious if they had more of a financial stake or skin in the game.

“We could not afford the deductible,” said Kevin Fanning, 59, who lives in North Texas, near Wichita Falls. “Basically I was paying for insurance I could not afford to use.”

He dropped his policy.

As the health care law enters its third annual open enrollment period, premiums and subsidies have been one of the administration’s main selling points.

“Most Americans will find an option that costs less than $75 a month,” President Obama said.

Sylvia Mathews Burwell, the secretary of health and human services, issued a report analyzing premiums in the 38 states that use HealthCare.gov. “Eight out of 10 returning consumers will be able to buy a plan with premiums less than $100 a month after tax credits,” she said.

But in interviews, a number of consumers made it clear that premiums were only one side of the affordability equation.

“Our deductible is so high, we practically pay for all of our medical expenses out of pocket,” said Wendy Kaplan, 50, of Evanston, Ill. “So our policy is really there for emergencies only, and basic wellness appointments.”

Her family of four pays premiums of $1,200 a month for coverage with an annual deductible of $12,700.

In Miami, the median deductible, according to HealthCare.gov, is $5,000. (Half of the plans are above the median, and half below it.) In Jackson, Miss., the comparable figure is $5,500. In Chicago, the median deductible is $3,400. In Phoenix, it is $4,000; in Houston and Des Moines, $3,000.

Ms. Burwell said the administration had “seen high levels of satisfaction with the marketplace.”

And the marketplaces do vary. In Newark, some plans have no deductible, although the median deductible is $2,000, according to HealthCare.gov.

Health officials and insurance counselors cite several mitigating factors. All plans must cover preventive services like mammograms and colonoscopies without a deductible or co-payment. Some plans may help pay for some items, like generic drugs or visits to a primary care doctor, before patients have met the deductible. Under the Affordable Care Act, health plans must have an overall limit on out-of-pocket costs, to protect people with serious illness against financial ruin.

In addition, people with particularly low incomes can obtain discounts known as cost-sharing reductions, which lower their deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs if they choose midlevel silver plans. Consumer advocates say this assistance makes insurance a good bargain for people with annual incomes from 100 percent to 250 percent of the poverty level ($11,770 to $29,425 for an individual).

To those worried about high out-of-pocket costs, Dave Chandra, a policy analyst at the liberal-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, has some advice: “Everyone should come back to the marketplace and shop. You may get a better deal.”

But for many consumers, the frustration is real, as is the financial strain. In employer-sponsored health plans, deductibles have also been rising as companies shift costs to workers. Still, the average annual deductible in employer plans, $1,320 for individual coverage according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, is considerably less than the deductibles in many marketplace plans.

The Internal Revenue Service defines a high-deductible health plan as one with an annual deductible of at least $1,300 for individual coverage or $2,600 for family coverage.

Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health law and policy at George Washington University who supports the health law, said the rising deductibles were part of a trend that she described as the “degradation of health insurance.”

Insurers, she said, “designed plans with a hefty use of deductibles and cost-sharing in order to hold down premiums” for low- and moderate-income consumers shopping in the public marketplaces.

But the deductibles are so high they may be scaring away some consumers.

Alexis C. Phillips, 29, of Houston, is the kind of consumer federal officials would like to enroll this fall. But after reviewing the available plans, she said, she concluded: “The deductibles are ridiculously high. I will never be able to go over the deductible unless something catastrophic happened to me. I’m better off not purchasing that insurance and saving the money in case something bad happens.”

People who go without insurance next year may be subject to a penalty of $695 or about 2.5 percent of their household income, whichever is greater.

Karin Rosner, a 45-year-old commercial freelance writer who lives in the Bronx, pays about $300 a month, after a subsidy, for a silver insurance plan with a $1,750 deductible and a limit of $4,000 a year on out-of-pocket expenses.

She is extremely nearsighted and has an eye condition that puts her at risk for a detached retina, but has put off visits to a retina specialist because, she said, she would have to pay the entire cost out of pocket.

“While my premiums are affordable, the out-of-pocket expenses required to meet the deductible are not,” said Ms. Rosner, who makes about $30,000 a year.

Mr. Fanning, the North Texan, said he and his wife had a policy with a monthly premium of about $500 and an annual deductible of about $10,000 after taking account of financial assistance. Their income is about $32,000 a year.

The Fannings dropped the policy in July after he had a one-night hospital stay and she had tests for kidney problems, and the bills started to roll in.

Josie Gibb of Albuquerque pays about $400 a month in premiums, after subsidies, for a silver-level insurance plan with a deductible of $6,000. “The deductible,” she said, “is so high that I have to pay for everything all year — visits with a gynecologist, a dermatologist, all blood work, all tests. It’s really just a catastrophic policy.”

Another consumer, Anne Cornwell of Chattanooga, Tenn., said she was excited when Congress passed the Affordable Care Act because she had been uninsured for several years. She is glad that she and her husband now have insurance, because he has had tonsil cancer, heart problems and kidney stones this year.

But with a $10,000 deductible, it has still not been easy.

“When they said affordable, I thought they really meant affordable,” she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/us/po ... -news&_r=0

Yup, this sounds like it's working. :shrug

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:13 pm
by Big RR
It's not great oldr, but just like with employer sponsored group insurance, deductibles and higher premiums are eroding the benefit; one of my friends pays a lot more than the woman mentioned for an employer group policy with a $10,000 deductible (just him, no spouse or kids) and a 20% copay to a maximum out of pocket of $17,500 a year. These policies are just following suit.

Still, bad as they are, these policies beat no insurance as you will be covered for extraordinary expenses. And, in most situations, you can choose to pay more premiums to reduce the deductible (and vice versa). This was happening before Obamacare, and it continues to happen in both employer groups and the Obamacare pools. Single payer would be better, but that would be socialism--gasp!

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:14 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
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Probably Ben Stein never said it. But you know...

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:19 pm
by Econoline
:roll: I've seen this trope before, many times.

Soooo.... exactly what "free insurance" is available to non-citizens? :loon

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:21 pm
by BoSoxGal
Or you can die well before your time of curable and/or treatable illnesses, because your government doesn't care about you.

Pro-life, until the first post-womb breath!

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:22 pm
by BoSoxGal
Emergency room care only, and it's not free - it has to be provided by law, and many folks, including citizens, never pay the bill - so we ALL pay.

Pro-life until the first post-womb breath!

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:27 pm
by Joe Guy
Econoline wrote:
Soooo.... exactly what "free insurance" is available to non-citizens? :loon
I was wondering about that also. You must be a citizen or legal permanent resident in order to qualify for Medicaid (along with other requirements). There are programs for refugee assistance but in all cases you need to have a legal ID.

I don't know where people go to get illegal alien medical plans.

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:29 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
I thought there was something wrong with it!

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:21 am
by dales
I don't know where people go to get illegal alien medical plans.

Try the local hospital's overwhelmed ER facilities.

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:41 am
by Joe Guy
dales wrote:
I don't know where people go to get illegal alien medical plans.

Try the local hospital's overwhelmed ER facilities.
I thought Obamacare eliminated all of those busy ERs... :D

Re: Obamacare continues to kick ass and take names:

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:44 am
by dales
I look to Obama and/or HRC to make the world a truly super neat place to live! :ok