Terrorist Attack at Planned Parenthood, CO Springs

[BoSoxGal]

Are we not going to have a thread about this?

[MajGenl.Meade]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=14626

[BoSoxGal]

Hey I saw that thread! I even posted in it.

MS brain?


But I was actually looking for some discussion now that the situation has ended and the evidence is in that he was motivated by political ideology.

Isn't this terrorism? Or is it just some crazy dude who lived in the woods alone?

[rubato]

Republicans whipped up hatred by repeating what they knew were lies about Planned Parenthood and now have the lack of balls to admit it.


Just one time one night in America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BxVO8Ng7F4

yrs,
rubato

[BoSoxGal]

There's a good article in the New Yorker about the evasions of republican candidates, but what I'm finding creepy is the evasions in the mainstream press.

In what world does a guy ranting about 'no more baby parts' after shooting at PP not count as a terrorist, but a guy shouting 'Allah Akbar' at a soccer match probably IS a terrorist?

I'm so confused.

[Joe Guy]

I can't be the only person who noticed this....

[MajGenl.Meade]

There's a good article in the New Yorker about the evasions of republican candidates, but what I'm finding creepy is the evasions in the mainstream press.

In what world does a guy ranting about 'no more baby parts' after shooting at PP not count as a terrorist, but a guy shouting 'Allah Akbar' at a soccer match probably IS a terrorist?

I'm so confused.

If that were at all true, it might be confusing. But factually, there was no credible claim that chanting anything at a football match is terrorism. The claim was that it was rude, disrespectful, boorish and evidence that support for terrorists exists in strange places. And it may not have happened anyway.

If people want to call this Dear person a terrorist or they don't - so what? He is undoubtedly unbalanced but his crime is neither ameliorated nor compounded by whatever label folks want to put on him. I doubt he had an intention to create a climate of fear at PP all over the USA - I doubt that he hoped to inspire others to act in the same way. Even if he said he did, I would still doubt it.

What he did was murder three people and (yes) wound and terrorize others. Inasmuch as he instilled terror in those people, he's a terrorist. But these days, when the media speaks of terrorism, we understand it to mean something organized - a group thing arising not from mental disorder but from socio-political-religious motivation. It is not disorganized and random. IMO

[wesw]

meade, what leads you to believe that the incident at the turkey-Greece game did not happen?

[wesw]

rube, you are the one who whips up hatred.

how is the fact that someone disagrees with practice, and says so, worse than you, and many on the left constantly calling conservatives racists, bigots, stupid to name but a few

just turn the black lives matter crew into your little squad of storm troopers and 'kill em all'. then we will be more tolerant and loving as nation, right?

your positions are pure balderdash and the only ones stupid enough to believe them are naïve students and the uneducated masses , whom you manipulate with your misinformation, disinformation and hatred.

[MajGenl.Meade]

meade, what leads you to believe that the incident at the turkey-Greece game did not happen?

I believe no such thing. I don't necessarily accept your version of it. I suggest you review the discussion here
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14570&p=183178&hilit=turkey#p183178 which suggests what they were chanting and why.

(Somehow it seems unlikely you'd bother to have read it at the time)

[rubato]

meade, what leads you to believe that the incident at the turkey-Greece game did not happen?

I believe no such thing. I don't necessarily accept your version of it. I suggest you review the discussion here
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14570&p=183178&hilit=turkey#p183178 which suggests what they were chanting and why.

(Somehow it seems unlikely you'd bother to have read it at the time)

The chanting of Allahu Akbar was cited by American racists (Republicans) as an example of endorsing terrorism. The fact that the racists (Republicans) mis-interpreted the intentions of those chanting reflects on them. No one else.


yrs,
rubato

[wesw]

were the boos and whistles and catcalls misinterpreted too?

one thing I learned while working with men from tens of different nations was that cursing is universal, you may not understand the words, but you know when you are being cursed.

did you bother to watch the videos yourself and decide for yourselves?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Yes (speaking for me, not rubato). His tossing around of words like "racist" is simply the other side of the pile of abuse that informs us today. It didn't need a person to be a racist to understand the video as depicting support for terror and a chant of Allahu Akbar - the possible misinterpretation was shared by democrats, liberals, commies, greenies and all kinds of people. You too, wesw

[rubato]

Meanwhile; Carly Fiorina lies her head off again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/car ... b2818c3d0e

The following post first appeared on FactCheck.org.

Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina falsely claims “the vast majority of Americans” support defunding Planned Parenthood. Actually, national surveys show the opposite: most Americans support continued federal funding for the group’s health services.

Fiorina, who has criticized Planned Parenthood for accepting compensation for aborted fetal tissue, made her claim Nov. 29 on “Fox News Sunday.” Host Chris Wallace asked Fiorina to respond to some pro-choice advocates who say “language like yours has incited violence” against Planned Parenthood, referring to the fatal shooting at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

Fiorina, Nov. 29: [T]his is so typical of the left to immediately begin demonizing the messenger, because they don’t agree with the message. The vast majority of Americans agree, what Planned Parenthood is doing is wrong. That’s why the vast majority of Americans are prepared not only to defund Planned Parenthood, but also to stop abortion for any reason at all after five months.

There is support for Fiorina’s claim regarding abortions after five months. But she is way off on her claim that the public overwhelmingly supports defunding Planned Parenthood.

First, let’s recap the controversy over federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

The House passed a bill in October to deny federal funding for Planned Parenthood for one year in response to undercover videos taken by an anti-abortion group called the Center for Medical Progress. As we have written, the videos show Planned Parenthood officials discussing compensation for fetal tissue with people posing as employees of a company looking to procure fetal tissue for research purposes. The Senate is expected to take up the issue this week.

(We should note that federal funding for abortion is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. As we have written before, abortions accounted for 3 percent of the nearly 10.6 million total services provided by Planned Parenthood clinics in 2013, according to its annual report.)

We asked Fiorina’s campaign for surveys that show a “vast majority of Americans” support defunding Planned Parenthood, but we did not get a response. Our review of public opinion polls, however, shows the exact opposite: most Americans surveyed support continued funding for Planned Parenthood.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released Aug. 19 found that “54 percent supported federal funding of Planned Parenthood, and 26 percent opposed it,” according to a Reuters article about the poll.
An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll taken Sept. 20-24 asked respondents if they favor or oppose eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood. NBC reported that 61 percent opposed eliminating funding (including 44 percent who said they “strongly” opposed eliminating it), while 35 percent favored eliminating funding (including 22 percent who “strongly” favored eliminating it).
A New York Times/CBS Poll taken Sept. 23-27 asked, “Should Planned Parenthood receive federal funding?” About 55 percent of respondents answered “yes,” while only 36 percent said “no.”
A Pew Research Center poll conducted Sept. 22-27 asked whether a budget agreement being worked on at the time by congressional leaders should maintain funding for Planned Parenthood or eliminate it. Pew reported that the poll found that “60% say that any budget deal must maintain funding for Planned Parenthood, while 32% say that any agreement must eliminate funding for the organization.”
An Economist/YouGov poll taken Sept. 11-15 showed 39 percent supported continued funding for Planned Parenthood, while 32 percent supported defunding it. So, in that case, neither position held a majority.
A Quinnipiac University National Poll taken Sept. 17-21 asked those surveyed, “Do you support or oppose cutting off federal government funding to Planned Parenthood?” That poll found 52 percent opposed cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood, while 41 percent supported ending funding.
A USA Today/Suffolk University poll taken Sept. 24-28 found that 65 percent of those surveyed said federal funding of Planned Parenthood should continue, while 29 percent say it should be eliminated.

Doesn't the lying bother any of you?


Doesn't it seem ... harmful?


yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

he was motivated by political ideology

When one is already teetering on the brink, it doesn't take much much of a nudge to go over the edge.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Doesn't the lying bother any of you?
Doesn't it seem ... harmful?
yrs,
rubato

Oh, we got accustomed to you years ago, rube. Very forgiving we are.

[oldr_n_wsr]

And the dems are the bastions of truth tellers.

[dgs49]

Although I have yet to see any reliable source corroborate the "baby parts" quote, one might suppose that these murderous crimes were intended to (a) stop the baby-killing at this particular venue, and (b) give baby-killers in other PP facilities pause. Further, one might logically conclude that the recent revelations of baby parts being "harvested" and provided to third parties (whether they were "sold" or "sold for a profit" is totally irrelevant) may have taken this particular killer over a breaking point.

But to accuse people who point out the sordid business of PP of supporting murder or "terrorism" is nothing but Leftist delusion. The practices are what they are, and pointing them out is, one could well argue, a public service.

As for rube's chronic, delusional lies, see the article posted above. There is no controversy whatsoever about the majority of Americans' opinions about federal funding for Planned Parenthood. To the extent that they are providing women's health services (breast cancer screening, advice on safe birth control, etc), they can figuratively "knock themselves out." To the extent that federal funding pays for PP's abortions, Americans want no part of it. To the extent that Americans perceive that main mission in life of PP to be a national "abortion mill" I have no doubt that a majority of Americans would rather they get no federal money at all.

"Kill babies if you must, but not with my money."

[Big RR]

If that is the point, then why not make it loud and clear rather than doctor a tape to make the accusation of selling body parts?
you believe abortion is indefensible and murder? Fine, then denounce it all you want and try to win converts to your cause. No need for lies and deception.

[Joe Guy]

Exactly, RR. People don't need to make things up to support an honest argument.