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civil fine, 100 bucks for possession of up to an ounce and for paraphernalia too.

I couldn t find anything about the penalties for growing plants, probably still too scary for me....

dicriminalizes

One drug, two crimes?

yrs,
rubato

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good eye....

rubato -

Well here in VA, A 1/12TH OZ OF POT,had me facing up to 25 yrs in prison(because my 15 yr old daughter got caught with it and no I didnt introduce Her to marijauna)they let me off easy got to serve 2yrs in jail and prison and $800 fine,forfetiure of civil rights,8 yrs supervised probation,lost my job of course ,all told,I would say totaling everything up,close to $50K loss for my family(the CA and Judge should have taken a deep breath that day))I had no priors(clean record)the only other prior offense was a truck tire with about 2/32 tread in one groove in the front(yes they brought that out) the Guys in the joint were amazed that I got slammed like that.(they let people off easy that assault others-kangaroo court on steroids

kmccune wrote:Well here in VA, A 1/12TH OZ OF POT,had me facing up to 25 yrs in prison(because my 15 yr old daughter got caught with it and no I didnt introduce Her to marijauna)they let me off easy got to serve 2yrs in jail and prison and $800 fine,forfetiure of civil rights,8 yrs supervised probation,lost my job of course ,all told,I would say totaling everything up,close to $50K loss for my family(the CA and Judge should have taken a deep breath that day))I had no priors(clean record)the only other prior offense was a truck tire with about 2/32 tread in one groove in the front(yes they brought that out) the Guys in the joint were amazed that I got slammed like that.(they let people off easy that assault others-kangaroo court on steroids

kmc, that is real horror story...

I grew up in Northern Virginia (Fairfax County) and when I was teenager nearly 40 years ago the worst thing that ever happened to us was one time the cops showed up, broke our bong, made us pour out our beer, confiscated our weed, and told us to go home...

(Other people I grew up with at the time have since related similar stories...which caused me to wonder, "what did they do with the pot?"...they couldn't have turned it in to the station, because then the question would be, "where are the people you confiscated this from?" They must have either smoked it themselves or sold it... )

I also spent four years in Charlottesville Va. when I was in college, in the late 70's and early 80's, and we smoked weed all the time without the slightest fear that we would be arrested, let alone smacked with a potential 25 years in prison ...

In what part of Virginia did this happen to you, and when did it happen?

km, I'm sure that both you and your daughter were aware that use of marijuana was illegal.  And I'm equally sure the DA and the justice system didn't pull those charges and penalties out of their asses; they were undoubtedly all written down in the books somewhere.  So just like someone who drives through a railroad crossing while the gates are down, if you opted to consciously break the law you should have been aware of the dangers you were flirting with.  Saying it was "only 1/12th of an ounce" is like a drunk driver saying "but I didn't hit anyone" or a bank robber saying "but I ended up having to give it back".

And for the record — "decriminalization" is not legalization; it does not make something legal.  It merely reduces it from a criminal offense (a felony) to something more on the scale of an ordinance violation, like overtime parking or speeding.

-"BB"-

I like you, Bill. Always did. You make me seem like a flaming liberal

dude, that s a mighty high horse you got there...., heh heh, high... heh heh heh, the horse is high, get it?


...so like, dude, we can like sit at the parking meter and get stoned and when it runs out, the meter chick will like come give us a ticket right, and when she sees your bowl smoking, she s gonna give us another ticket right?

oh man, it ll be so cool, like she can t even arrest if us we re nice to her and stuff, heh heh heh...

oh man let s do it at the courthouse tomorrow!

I bet you won t ask her for a date heh heh heh ...

Bill perhaps you should reread my post,I knew it was illegal and I bet you do a few things illegal,also,inadvertantly or knowingly,my gripe was(I had told my daughter to be dang careful,but teenagers dont listen well) anyway my gripe this same judge gave a redneck 12 months of anger management(comply, get off in 6 months)for beating an old navy veteran into a coma(fair,huh?-what harm did I do in comparison?)this judge sentenced the repeat drug offenders,who were caught with a meth lab,to 5 yrs,suspended to 1 yr for one of them(now does my 1/12 oz of pot compare to ounces of Methamphetamines?(keep in mind now,I was a first offender)so the meth people and the assaulter should get off relatively free,many other cases this judge and commonwealth have went the same way,so BB give me a break with your pompous atittude,get off your high horse and join the people on the street(this occured in Bath county,VA one of the conservative luddite capitals of these United States

kmccune wrote:Bill perhaps you should reread my post,I knew it was illegal and I bet you do a few things illegal,also,inadvertantly or knowingly,my gripe was(I had told my daughter to be dang careful,but teenagers dont listen well) anyway my gripe this same judge gave a redneck 12 months of anger management(comply, get off in 6 months)for beating an old navy veteran into a coma(fair,huh?-what harm did I do in comparison?)this judge sentenced the repeat drug offenders,who were caught with a meth lab,to 5 yrs,suspended to 1 yr for one of them(now does my 1/12 oz of pot compare to ounces of Methamphetamines?(keep in mind now,I was a first offender)so the meth people and the assaulter should get off relatively free,many other cases this judge and commonwealth have went the same way,so BB give me a break with your pompous atittude,get off your high horse and join the people on the street(this occured in Bath county,VA one of the conservative luddite capitals of these United States

If you don't like the laws or you feel the penalties are Draconian and not in keeping with the severity of the offense, then work to change them.  Don't disregard them and then try to excuse yourself by pointing at how much worse someone else was.
Also, please learn to use a space bar, periods, and complete sentences.... and don't give me the excuse that you're using a smartphone.  Other people including myself can compose complete, grammatically correct posts on a smartphone.  It's not that difficult.

-"BB"-

people who don t use proper grammar can have points of view that are just as valid as those who do use proper grammar..., ain t that right?

criticizing grammar can be funny, or it can be petty.....

...of course kevin can be a bit of a cuckoo...., but that is a different kettle of monkeys....

,,,that being said..., dude, if you get stoned with your kid, you are askin' for trouble. telling a 15 yr old to be careful is like telling Trump to shut up...

Hey BB,grow a thicker skin and what the devil are you calling a space bar(please look up hypen and its usage,if you are so perfect at grammer,then perhaps you should be an English professor)the laws are Draconian and they are changing,please anyone that doesnt like my posts,feel free not to read them and by the way,I do not get stoned with my daughter

wesw wrote:people who don t use proper grammar can have points of view that are just as valid as those who do use proper grammar..., ain t that right?

criticizing grammar can be funny, or it can be petty.....

...of course kevin can be a bit of a cuckoo...., but that is a different kettle of monkeys....

wesw, go back and look at his post.  It consists of one long, run-on sentence and no less than FIVE parenthetical statements/asides — one of which wasn't even completely closed — and countless missing spaces after commas and parentheses.  It's very difficult to read and try to figure out just what he is trying to say.  Now go here ... http://le-chat-house.info/BBS/index.php ... and look at some of his posts on that board.  It's the same thing there, and that's the point I was trying to make.

While the medium is not necessarily the entire message, it is a PART of the message.  Like most people, I'll overlook the occasional misspelled word, sentence fragment, or the absence of the Oxford comma.  You do not have to post with a copy of Strunk and White or the New York Times stylebook at your elbow.  But if someone cannot bother to put their thoughts into a clear, comprehensible format they will not be taken seriously — at least, not by me.

-"BB"-

well, yeah. it was hard to read. I just skipped the jumbled bits...,

point taken

I like the oxford comma too, but I like to skip obvious commas sometimes..., just annoy you know who.

not much point now that I m on ignore tho...

eta- some of the smartest most gifted people I know are dyslexic, so I am a bit defensive on the topic, sorry

kmccune wrote:Hey BB,grow a thicker skin and what the devil are you calling a space bar(please look up hypen and its usage,if you are so perfect at grammer,then perhaps you should be an English professor)the laws are Draconian and they are changing,please anyone that doesnt like my posts,feel free not to read them and by the way,I do not get stoned with my daughter

You use it to put a space between words, or between words and punctuation marks (like the ones I have marked in red in your previous post).
And that little dash that you are referring to is a 'HYPHEN', not a 'hypen'.

Not to mention, all sentences are supposed to end with a period, which has also been lacking in most of your posts.

-"BB"-

Cry me a river,I dont really care,probaly what shows up on your screen looks different then mine,I do know this keyboard is defective and I'm not going to replace it soon.(a man trying to kill someone is worse,then another man trying to feel good)

Whoops just read your post,I was wrong on my hyphen spelling(didnt think it was all caps either) sometimes the period doesnt work on this keyboard and to be frank,sometimes I mistake the comma for the period,so I believe we will survive this after all.(OMG didnt indent my paragraph)

Bicycle Bill wrote:"...
If you don't like the laws or you feel the penalties are Draconian and not in keeping with the severity of the offense, then work to change them. Don't disregard them and then try to excuse yourself by pointing at how much worse someone else was.... "

Ignoring bad laws or deliberately breaking them is a time-honored method of working to change them. See Ghandi Salt March.

The fact that the laws about pot have changed proves he was treated unfairly and with stupid harshness.


yrs,
rubato