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The forgotten man.

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It's a nice piece of art, I understand if not agree with the exact terms of the underlying sentiment.

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Average piece of art ruined by some mawkish sentimentality aimed at the non-thinking right winger.
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I wonder why the flag is at half mast (Barry is alive & well in the picture).

No sentimentality in the message, it's just fact.

Consider for a moment if every government official and employee in Washington were fired tomorrow and replaced by intelligent, competent people, with no preconceived notions about the current state of "Constitutional" Law. Let's say they started to create a government along the lines of the Constitution and its Amendments. Explicitly, they would create a Federal Government of quite limited powers, just like it says in Article I, with everything else to be reserved to the states and to the people themselves.

The Government formed by going through this exercise would be so different - so much smaller than what we have now - it's difficult to imagine what it would be like. At least half the people currently working for the Federal Government in Washington would be out of work. No EPA, SBA, Dept of Education, no social security administration, no NPR, no HHR...just imagine.

Our Beloved President is only the latest in a long line of politicians who think that if some idea they dream up seems to them like a good idea, then it must be constitutional. And they have appointed whores in the courts who have "interpreted" the Constitution to mean whatever-the-fuck the libs have wanted it to mean, words of the document be damned.

Gob, what the fuck do you know about the U.S. Constitution, and whether the current U.S. government reflects its guiding principles?

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dgs49 wrote:
Gob, what the fuck do you know about the U.S. Constitution, and whether the current U.S. government reflects its guiding principles?

Just a little bit less than the amount I care about it... ;)
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dgs49 wrote:
Gob, what the fuck do you know about the U.S. Constitution, and whether the current U.S. government reflects its guiding principles?



Just a little bit less than the amount I care about it... ;)
I can vouch for that....The evidence for that fact is frequently displayed.... :mrgreen:
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dgs49 wrote:Consider for a moment if every government official and employee in Washington were fired tomorrow and replaced by intelligent, competent people, with no preconceived notions about the current state of "Constitutional" Law. Let's say they started to create a government along the lines of the Constitution and its Amendments. Explicitly, they would create a Federal Government of quite limited powers, just like it says in Article I, with everything else to be reserved to the states and to the people themselves.
There he goes again.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have "a Federal Government of quite limited powers, just like it says in Article I, with everything else to be reserved to the states and to the people themselves" and also have "a government along the lines of the Constitution and its Amendments". As has been shown repeatedly, and substantively refuted by exactly nothing, several constitutional amendments confer on the central government sweeping powers far beyond those conferred on it by Article I.

So either you throw the amendments overboard and go back to Article I, or you acknowledge that we the people have chosen to broaden the powers of our central government far beyond what they were before we the people -- through our elected representatives at the State as well as the federal level -- amended our constitution. Or you hide your head in the sand and whine.

Yawn.
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"...several constitutional amendments confer on the central government sweeping powers far beyond those conferred on it by Article I."

11th Amendment. Jurisdiction of the USSC

12th Amendment. Election of the President.

13th Amendment. Abolishes slavery.

14th Amendment. Protection of emancipated slaves, voting rights, etc.

15th Amendment. Voting rights.

16th Amendment. Income taxes allowed.

17th Amendment. Election of senators.

18th Amendment. Prohibition.

19th Amendment. Women can vote.

20th Amendment. Terms, succession, etc., for President and Congresspersons.

21st Amendment. Repeal of prohibition.

22nd Amendment. Two-term presidency.

23rd Amendment. DC voting rights for President

24th Amendment. Abolishes poll taxes.

25th Amendment. Presidential succession.

26th Amendment. Teenagers right to vote.

27th Amendment. Congressional pay raises not effective until after next election.

Note to Andrew: Baloney.

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dgs49 wrote:14th Amendment. Protection of emancipated slaves, voting rights, etc.[/b]
Okay, dgs49, it's long past time for you to put up or shut up. The Constitution says:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States ....
What do you think that the "privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" are?

I have said repeatedly that I think that "the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" include all of the rights recognized in the Bill of Rights.

What do you think that the clause means?
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