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Jeb! Shifts focus away from Trump and goes after Rubio instead. At least his Super Pacs appear to be running that way.:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... arco-rubio
The Plot to Destroy Marco Rubio
By Ryan Lizza

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Meanwhile, as conservatives shift between the stages, there’s an effort to figure out how things could have gone so wrong. This usually takes the form of blaming Trump’s rise on someone else. For a while, the main villain on the right was Barack Obama, whose failures, it has been argued, gave Trump his opening. You can read pundit versions of this case here, here, here, here, here, and here. But the most prominent member of the blame-Trump-on-Obama faction is undoubtedly Jeb Bush, who made the case recently in an interview with NPR:

I would argue that Donald Trump is in fact a creature of Barack Obama. … But for Barack Obama, Donald Trump’s effect would not be nearly as strong as it is. We’re living in a divided country right now, and we need political leaders, rather than continuing to divide as both President Obama and Donald Trump [do], to unite us.

It may be confusing to hear George W. Bush’s younger brother place the blame for political polarization entirely on Obama. In any event, a new argument explaining Trump’s rise and persistence atop the polls has been gaining currency in conservative circles this week: it’s Jeb’s fault. Stephen Hayes has the best articulation of the case in a piece in The Weekly Standard, where he writes that Jeb Bush’s Super PAC, Right to Rise, which raised more than a hundred million dollars last year, has spent most of its time nuking Marco Rubio while barely saying a word about Trump. This has had the perverse effect of knocking out—or at least knocking down—the person who may be most able to defeat Trump. As Hayes points out, Mike Murphy, Bush’s longtime adviser, who runs Right to Rise, explained the strategy in interviews last year with the Washington Post (“Trump is, frankly, other people’s problem”) and Bloomberg (“I’d love a two-way race with Trump at the end”).

As Bush sank and Rubio rose in the polls last fall, Bush’s theory of the race was that Rubio, the candidate many mainstream conservatives have championed as their best chance to defeat Trump and Ted Cruz, was his immediate obstacle. The Bush onslaught against Rubio may end up being the most expensive and sustained negative attack of 2016.

The Bush campaign rejects the theory. “Jeb has spent more money criticizing Trump than anyone, and he has laid out repeatedly the case that Trump is neither conservative nor fit to be Commander-in-Chief,” Tim Miller, Bush’s spokesman, said. “Every candidate has had the opportunity to take him on, and Jeb has chosen to do so in the most aggressive manner.”

Bush has indeed been more outspoken about Trump, while Rubio has generally avoided attacking the front-runner. But Bush’s Super PAC has been focussed on Rubio. In early December, Right to Rise ran an ad that targeted Cruz, Trump, and Rubio. The ad showed a picture of the President’s desk in the Oval Office. “When the attacks come here, the person behind this desk will have to protect your family,” a male announcer said. Behind the desk, slightly silly pictures of Bush’s three opponents were cropped into the picture, one after the other. “Will he be impulsive and reckless, like Donald Trump? Will he have voted to dramatically weaken counterterrorism surveillance, like Ted Cruz? Will he have skipped crucial national-security hearings and votes just to campaign, like Marco Rubio?” ... "
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My guess he knows his only hope is the "outsider" candidates self immolate and if that happens he has to appear the best man standing (probably too late for that)
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Rube, you're way behind the curve on this...

Jeb has been attacking Marco since December...
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According to the article (you can click on the link to read it) they switched in late December:
But, by late December, the group had mostly given up running pro-Bush ads or mentioning any candidate but Rubio. In “Briefing,” Rubio is depicted as an absentee senator who skipped crucial intelligence briefings after the Paris and San Bernardino terrorist attacks in order to raise money in California and New Orleans. “Politics first, that’s the Rubio way.” Then, in “Promotion,” the Super PAC continued the attack on Rubio’s missed votes, calling Rubio a “Washington politician” who “doesn’t show up for work but wants a promotion.”

Try reading the articles.


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I think you meant this:

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Or maybe this one . . .

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Lord Jim wrote:Rube, you're way behind the curve on this...

Jeb has been attacking Marco since December...
Try reading the articles.
LMAO :lol:

Why don't you try reading what you put in bold and underline:
But, by late December, the group had mostly given up running pro-Bush ads or mentioning any candidate but Rubio.
And that makes me wrong........how?

Once again, I must deny the persistent rumors that I am paying rube to make me look good...

However, I can certainly understand how some might reach the conclusion that must be the case...

Are you done here rube, or do you need the shovel?
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LJ, I'm not sure how either of you makes the other "wrong".

rubato posted a 1/27/16 article which seems to me to emphasize that Bush was not attacking Rubio until recently although his Super Pac has been at it since late December. It's an interesting article and the conclusion that Rubio was (is?) the candidate most electable - but Bush and others will do him in - seems about right. I've no idea why you got upset about it.

I am reminded to say how disgusting Cruz was last night - a total fiasco. He looks like a guy who'd steal your wallet and now he's shown me that he's downright mendacious.


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In fact, Jeb first started attacking Rubio back in October:

Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio clash over missed votes


Florida’s Sun Sentinel primed the Wednesday’s debate by calling on Sen. Marco Rubio to resign for missing so many votes in Washington.

Rubio came out swinging against the paper in the debate, calling it evidence of bias in the media.

But he didn’t find an ally in his former mentor, Jeb Bush.

Bush pounced at the opportunity, hitting the Florida senator for a lax schedule. “What is it like a French work week? Do you have to show up for like three days? Just show up or resign.”

Rubio responded sharply. “Someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you, but I’m not running against Jeb Bush or anyone else on this stage. I’m running for president because there’s no way we can elect Hillary Clinton.”
http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/10/ ... es-debate/

I understand why Jeb has taken this tact, (presumably his target audience for this particular attack was the winner-take-all Florida primary, since voters anywhere else aren't likely to give one small damn about how many votes Rubio has missed) but as I've said before the time is rapidly approaching in this race when The Good Guys have to stop shooting at each other...

Whether it's Jeb attacking Marco, or Marco attacking Jeb, or Christie attacking Marco...(Nobody seems to be attacking Kasich at the moment; that may be working to his advantage...he's moved up into second place in New Hampshire)

These are all sound, capable, intelligent guys, and any one of them would make a good President, and a formidable nominee in the general election...

But the larger political reality dictates that after New Hampshire, the three of these four who finish lower than the fourth need to bow out and support the one who comes out on top...

That's the only chance we will have to save the party from the electoral suicide that will inevitably ensue by nominating Trump or Cruz....
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Tack, Jim; tack. Tact is what politicians have little of, and me? None whatsoever
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Tack, Jim; tack. Tact is what politicians have little of, and me? None whatsoever
Correctamundo. When you change strategy or position you are taking a different tack (sailing term, meaning changing course - usually heading into the wind at a different angle, moving from port tack to starboard tack and vice versa).
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That about the push pin?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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The president of the Russian Federation?
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:Tack, Jim; tack. Tact is what politicians have little of, and me? None whatsoever
That's your take-away from my brilliant and insightful political analysis?

A misspelled word?

Take a seat between wes and rube in the "Shit From Shinola, 101" class... :nana :fu

I'll email you the syllabus...
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Well, that and .... er.... Kasich. Yes, I thought Kasich came off rather well on Thursday night.

Last night my granddaughter tried to get her mother to shake hands on a solemn vow not to vote for Trump. Quite properly, my daughter refused. I'm afraid the young lass was taken aback; why would anyone not promise to ignore Trump? (She's for Bernie all the way). Wish she'd have asked me - I'd have extracted a promise from her not to vote for Hillary (if she's the nominee) in November. Maybe Kasich would be some sort of compromise

Let's go back to the good old days - top vote-getter in the EC is president... and the other one, the runner-up, is vice-president.
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Jim need I remind you of what you did to my post earlier today?
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Crackpot wrote:Jim need I remind you of what you did to my post earlier today?
You mean Don't Cry For Me Argentina?

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Crackpot wrote:That about the push pin?
No, hanging chad.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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