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Bernie One-note Makes A Smart Move...

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Hillary Clinton's Super PAC (otherwise known as The Democratic National Committee) has done everything humanly possible to stack the debate schedule in her favor...which hasn't worked out so well...

But now that Comrade Sanders has a better hand to play, he's playing it wisely; "I'll see your one more debate before New Hampshire, and raise you two":
Bernie Sanders calls for an additional three Democratic debates

MASON CITY, Iowa -- Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders on Wednesday proposed holding an additional three Democratic debates, as the jockeying among the party’s candidates continued over how often they should face off in the weeks ahead.

Under rules put forth by the Democratic National Committee, the party’s presidential debates are limited to six this cycle, four of which have already taken place.

In a television interview Wednesday, former secretary of state Hillary Clinton called on Sanders to agree to participate in a debate next week in New Hampshire that hasn’t been sanctioned by the DNC and said she hoped the DNC would agree to sponsor it.[That wont be a problem; anytime Slick Hillie says "shit!" Pinocchio-Shultz squats and strains...]

Sanders initially balked at the idea after news surfaced that the Feb. 4 debate was being planned by the New Hampshire Union Leader and MSNBC, saying he did not want to take part in an event not blessed by the DNC.

In a statement issued Wednesday night, Jeff Weaver, Sanders’s campaign manager said that Sanders has long been interested in more debates.

“Secretary Clinton has not,” Weaver said. “Now she is asking to change the rules and ask for a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Senator Sanders has significant momentum.”[ya think?]

Weaver said Sanders would be “happy to have more debates” but added: “We are not going to schedule them at whim of the Clinton campaign.”

He said Sanders would like to see additional debates in March, April and May -- and none of them on Fridays or Saturdays or holiday weekends, as has previously been the case.

If the Clinton campaign would commit to that schedule, Weaver said, Sanders would join Clinton in asking for the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire next week.

The latest skirmishing over the debate schedule comes just five days before the Iowa caucuses. Clinton’s once-formidable lead in the polls has evaporated in recent weeks, and Clinton and Sanders are now locked in a tight race.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... c-debates/

Bernie's got this one right...

Why the hell should he agree to give Hillary a debate right before New Hampshire, (which he is poised to win handily, whether he wins or loses narrowly in Iowa) unless he can get some benefit in return?

The DNC tried to screw him seven ways to Sunday with their paltry Saturday night debate schedule...Why should he cut the Clinton campaign any slack now that he's riding high?

The boy has some leverage now, he should use it...If I were in his position, I'd take the exact same stance...


(Of course Hillary Clinton agreeing to do something, and Hillary Clinton actually doing it are two different things...but at least it's a start...)
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Team Clinton has got good reason to be concerned about Sanders...

He's trailing badly in South Carolina, (a poll from a couple of days ago has him down 64-27 ) but Sanders has barely campaigned or spent any money there yet...

And he has money to spend...

In the last quarter Hillary raised 30 million, but Sanders raised 27 million...

And he did it with an average contribution of 27 bucks...which means those folks can give again, and again and again... He's built the largest contributor list in the history of American politics...

In the meantime, Hillary has to take time off from the campaign trail to raise money from investment bankers:
As Clinton Attends Investor Gala, Sanders Tells Iowans, ‘I’d Rather Be Here With You’

Bernie Sanders struck a blow against Hillary Clinton’s campaign priorities on Wednesday night, noting that while she was attending a fundraising event hosted by a $17 billion investment fund, he was revving up an overflow crowd in Iowa, which holds it primary caucus in just four days.

“My opponent is not in Iowa tonight. She is raising money from a Philadelphia investment firm,” Sanders told a crowd of about 1,000 people at the Music Man Square in Mason City, Iowa. “Frankly, I would rather be here with you.”

According to local station KIMT, “the topic of the night for Sanders: money, money, money. Most of the conversation centered on Wall Street and how he would change issues like health care, student debt and minimum wage for the better. He also made a point to note how he’s unaffiliated with super PACs — something none of the other candidates can claim.”

“We do not represent Wall Street, we don’t represent corporate America, we don’t want their money,” Sanders said following an introduction by actress Susan Sarandon.

As Common Dreams reported earlier this week, Clinton was scheduled to appear at back-to-back finance industry fundraisers this week, just days before the February 1 caucus—seemingly unfazed by charges that her cozy ties to Wall Street will make it difficult for her to crack down on big bank malfeasance. The Intercept has since reported that the campaign has postponed a New York City fundraiser scheduled for Thursday until February 16.

But she still fit Wednesday’s event with Franklin Square Capital Partners into her schedule, which raised eyebrows among Sanders supporters and the political punditry alike.

“[T]he truth is, events like this Bon Jovi gala at the Navy Yard are exactly why it feels like American democracy is livin’ on a prayer these days,” political columnist Will Bunch wrote at Philly.com on Tuesday, referring to the Franklin Square fundraiser.

“Franklin Square Capital may have brought a few better-than-good paying jobs to Philadelphia—thanks for your service, and all—but it also seems like the kind of company that would love, and need, to have the ear of the federal government,” Bunch continued. “The financial press has questioned the company’s aggressive marketing, its comparatively high fees and sometimes flagging investment returns; The Intercept notes that one of its main funds is deeply invested in the extraction of fossil fuels through controversial processes like fracking—issues that will be hugely influenced by the 45th president.”

Recent polls have showed Sanders either leading or virtually tied with Clinton in Iowa, and continuing to close the gap nationally.

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Man, talk about "bad optics" at a time when you're trying to portray yourself in a Democratic nomination fight as the hero of "the little guy"... 8-)
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She's content to be the Queen in Waiting - the not-quite anointed heir. She doesn't give a shit because so many liberals will be voting for her just because she's a woman and a corporate shill and a Clintone. She's fooling enough of the people enough of the time.

Go Bernie!
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While LJ one-note plays the same frightened tune on his broken little trumpet.


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rubato wrote:While LJ one-note plays the same frightened tune on his broken little trumpet.


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I'm not paying much attention, but by all accounts Bernie has become a solid campaigner. Rather than being just a protest vote, he has gotten to the point that he has substance. Now it is easy for us to sit back and chuckle at the impossibility of many of his agenda items seeing the light of day in Congress, but they play well to Democratic voters.

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Cocktail Hour must be coming early at Stately Rube Manor...

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Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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The Hill reporting this morning that Sanders has agreed to the 2/4 unsanctioned debate in NH and that both campaigns have agreed to three more - dates and locations still to be decided. And DNC blessing not yet provided - but who cares, let them debate!
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:She's content to be the Queen in Waiting - the not-quite anointed heir. She doesn't give a shit because so many liberals will be voting for her just because she's a woman and a corporate shill and a Clintone. She's fooling enough of the people enough of the time.

Go Bernie!
And you know this because as a liberal yourself you understand them so well? Must be like wes knows what it's like to experience life (and discrimination) as a woman...
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Lord Jim wrote:Hillary Clinton's Super PAC (otherwise known as The Democratic National Committee)
You're just pissed because the RNC hasn't told Trump to eff-off. Sanders isn't a Democrat, why should the DNC give a fig about what he wants?
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"The Hill reporting this morning that Sanders has agreed to the 2/4 unsanctioned debate in NH and that both campaigns have agreed to three more..."

I'm betting Hillary would not have opted for any further debates -- sanctioned or un -- unless she knew the hammer was starting to come down hard. Unfortunately for Bernie, the Feds will not be prepared to go to trial until after her ladyship is installed in her new position at Casa Blanc. "What a tangled web she weaved..."

Run, Bernie, run.
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Guinevere wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:She's content to be the Queen in Waiting - the not-quite anointed heir. She doesn't give a shit because so many liberals will be voting for her just because she's a woman and a corporate shill and a Clintone. She's fooling enough of the people enough of the time.

Go Bernie!
And you know this because as a liberal yourself you understand them so well? Must be like wes knows what it's like to experience life (and discrimination) as a woman...
Oh, puhleeeeease. But thanks for not disputing "she doesn't give a shit because so many liberals will be voting for her". If she wasn't a woman, she'd be getting a right kicking from liberals on this board for her thoroughly unsavory, lying, thieving, corporate ass-kissing, (cont. P94)
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That's complete and unadulterated bullshit.
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Guinevere wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:Hillary Clinton's Super PAC (otherwise known as The Democratic National Committee)
You're just pissed because the RNC hasn't told Trump to eff-off. Sanders isn't a Democrat, why should the DNC give a fig about what he wants?

The RNC are the worst cowards in the history of politics. They are too stupid and craven to tell off Cruz:
Vox's Andrew Prokop wrote about the deep dislike even Republicans have for Cruz:
Being a team player is very important in politics. It's common for presidential candidates to trash Washington on the campaign trail: Barack Obama did it, and George W. Bush did it before him, and Bill Clinton did it before him. But all three were members of good standing in their respective parties — they didn't pick gratuitous fights with their major partisan allies, and they certainly didn't portray their parties' leading electoral officials as corrupt sellouts trying to hoodwink their own voters.

Cruz has done just the opposite. For the past three years, he has been engaged in a very specific, pointed, and personal attempt aimed at painting practically every Republican in Washington as a corrupt phony and himself as the only honest man in the city. And his fellow Republicans don't like this one bit.
The GOP was in crisis after the first government shut down and have consistently taken the cowards way out ever since then. They are too dishonest and corrupt to govern anything.

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Guinevere wrote:That's complete and unadulterated bullshit.
Which part?
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Guinevere wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:She's content to be the Queen in Waiting - the not-quite anointed heir. She doesn't give a shit because so many liberals will be voting for her just because she's a woman and a corporate shill and a Clintone. She's fooling enough of the people enough of the time.

Go Bernie!
And you know this because as a liberal yourself you understand them so well? Must be like wes knows what it's like to experience life (and discrimination) as a woman...
Oh, puhleeeeease. But thanks for not disputing "she doesn't give a shit because so many liberals will be voting for her". If she wasn't a woman, she'd be getting a right kicking from liberals on this board for her thoroughly unsavory, lying, thieving, corporate ass-kissing, (cont. P94)

I am a liberal on this board and I have said that her personal corruption is loathsome and disgusting but I'm voting for president not BFF. Grow up, baby.

All of the Republican candidates are more loathsome morally, bigger cowards, or more idiotic politically and economically. Only a fucking liar or ignoramus repeats the claim that cutting taxes on the rich reduces deficits and increases GDP. that experiment hs been done. It has failed every time. (Scott Walker?) Only a wholly amoral racist person whips up hatred for Moslems or foreigners which 100% of the Republicans have done. Only an amoral person defends having as few restrictions on gun ownership as possible. Only an amoral person tries to strip what little health care coverage the ACA has given to people.


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I accept a correction - if she wasn't a Democrat all the liberals on this board would be etc. As it is, "loathesome and disgusting" is a great quality in a president. Can't think why I'd not vote for that.
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oh my goodness.

guin shamelessly plays the woman card, leaving meade with an avoidance avoidance play next.

what will he do, will he play the King or will he throw an off suit....?

perhaps he will throw out a Trump and really baffle her.

the crowd silences.

(washerwoman-schultz quietly slips Hillary a big one off the bottom)

and guin quietly holds her unearned extra woman card, waiting for meads jack with baited breathe....

...I hope she gets Berned.... :beat

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Meade, stop insulting me for working my ass off in the last several elections for a candidate that I believe in and have met personally. Stop insulting me for not buying into the Republican bullshit lies about her. I've reviewed the facts, used my own independent judgment, and I've done my own analysis. And so I've made my choice. So have many, many, many Americans, and there is a very good chance (Nate Silver says odds are 79%) that she will be our next President.

I don't give a crap whether you approve or not, but I would appreciate you at least recognizing that I do not call you names for the political choices you have made (or other Republicans on this board and generally in the country -- StormTrumpers being an exception), and expect the same respect and consideration from you. Your post denigrating and making fun of liberals in general and Clinton and her supporters specifically is all that is wrong with this country. Please grow up and be civil, or get the fuck out.

Am I proud that she is a woman. You betcha! Do I support her because she is a woman. No fucking way. I wouldn't denigrate my gender by being so small-minded. I'm insulted that because I support HRC, men over and over and over, since the 2008 election and before, have decided amongst themselves ----- without listening to what I say ------ that my support and the support of every other woman in the country is gender based. That's crap too.

And wes, fuck you too. You obviously cannot read or comprehend either.

I'm done with this board. See y'all in November. Maybe.

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:I accept a correction - if she wasn't a Democrat all the liberals on this board would be etc. As it is, "loathesome and disgusting" is a great quality in a president. Can't think why I'd not vote for that.

But you'll vote for far worse instead. Her actions are morally unpleasant to a liberal but laudable to a Republican.


Stop being an asshole.


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