A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republican
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:21 pm
by Lord Jim
If Trump is nominated, the GOP must keep him out of the White House
Donald Trump’s damage to the Republican Party, although already extensive, has barely begun. Republican quislings will multiply, slinking into support of the most anti-conservative presidential aspirant in their party’s history. These collaborationists will render themselves ineligible to participate in the party’s reconstruction.
Ted Cruz’s announcement of his preferred running mate has enhanced the nomination process by giving voters pertinent information. They already know the only important thing about Trump’s choice: His running mate will be unqualified for high office because he or she will think Trump is qualified.
Hillary Clinton’s optimal running mate might be Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio,[regular readers of this space will recall that I pointed out Brown some time ago as a logical VP choice for Slick Hillie] a pro-labor populist whose selection would be balm for the bruised feelings of Bernie Sanders’s legions.
Running mates rarely matter as electoral factors: In 2000, Al Gore got 43.2 percent of the North Carolina vote. In 2004, John Kerry, trying to improve upon Gore’s total there, ran with North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but received 43.6 percent. If, however, Brown were to help deliver Ohio for Clinton, the Republican path to 270 electoral votes would be narrower than a needle’s eye.
Republican voters, particularly in Indiana and California, can, by supporting Cruz, make the Republican convention a deliberative body rather than one that merely ratifies decisions made elsewhere, some of them six months earlier.
A convention’s sovereign duty is to choose a plausible nominee who has a reasonable chance to win, not to passively affirm the will of a mere plurality of voters recorded episodically in a protracted process. [Huzzah!]
Trump would be the most unpopular nominee ever, unable to even come close to Mitt Romney’s insufficient support among women, minorities and young people. In losing disastrously, Trump probably would create down-ballot carnage sufficient to end even Republican control of the House. Ticket splitting is becoming rare in polarized America: In 2012, only 5.7 percent of voters supported a presidential candidate and a congressional candidate of opposite parties.
At least half a dozen Republican senators seeking reelection and Senate aspirants can hope to win if the person at the top of the Republican ticket loses their state by, say, only four points, but not if he loses by 10. A Democratic Senate probably would guarantee a Supreme Court with a liberal cast for a generation.
If Clinton is inaugurated next Jan. 20, Merrick Garland probably will already be on the court — confirmed in a lame-duck Senate session — and Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Anthony M. Kennedy and Stephen G. Breyer will be 83, 80 and 78, respectively.
The minority of people who pay close attention to politics includes those who define an ideal political outcome and pursue it, and those who focus on the worst possible outcome and strive to avoid it. The former experience the excitements of utopianism, the latter settle for prudence’s mild pleasure of avoiding disappointed dreams. Both sensibilities have their uses, but this is a time for prudence, which demands the prevention of a Trump presidency.
Were he to be nominated, conservatives would have two tasks. One would be to help him lose 50 states — condign punishment for his comprehensive disdain for conservative essentials, including the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation’s civic life. Second, conservatives can try to save from the anti-Trump undertow as many senators, representatives, governors and state legislators as possible.
If Trump is nominated, Republicans working to purge him and his manner from public life will reap the considerable satisfaction of preserving the identity of their 162-year-old party while working to see that they forgo only four years of the enjoyment of executive power.
Six times since 1945 a party has tried, and five times failed, to secure a third consecutive presidential term. The one success — the Republicans’ 1988 election of George H.W. Bush — produced a one-term president. If Clinton gives her party its first 12 consecutive White House years since 1945, Republicans can help Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse, or someone else who has honorably recoiled from Trump, confine her to a single term.
You GO George...I couldn't have said it better myself...
ETA:
Mr. Will, who has been fairly unsparing in his criticism of Drumpf during this campaign for many months, has been repeatedly condemned by The Donald as a "second rate writer..."
In addition to having the most widely syndicated political column on the planet, (450 newspapers) and winning two Pulitzers, George F. Will has written 26 books, on subjects ranging from politics to baseball, most of them making The Best Seller List...
I doubt that Mr. Trump has read 26 books...
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:25 pm
by Scooter
Trump probably would create down-ballot carnage sufficient to end even Republican control of the House.
That's what I'm hoping.
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:38 pm
by Gob
If Trump is nominated, the GOP must keep him out of the White House
American politics, sheesh....
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:42 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Gob wrote:
If Trump is nominated, the GOP must keep him out of the White House
American politics, sheesh....
I'm starting to think like you Gob.
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:02 pm
by Lord Jim
Some more commonsense from another commonsense conservative:
Loyal Republicans Are Worried, Angry
By Debra J. Saunders
Cable news pundits often warn that Republicans have to respect the righteous anger of Donald Trump supporters. They forget the other angry Republican voters — the many folks I saw at California's Republican convention in Burlingame over the weekend who have been loyal GOP votes. They've gone to the lunches and supported candidates for down-ticket races. They care about conservative values; they know how it is important to win general elections. And they're furious that their party is being hijacked by a rump of unreliable voters who think that just because they showed up at a rally, they are entitled to special treatment.
It kills me. This could have been the year when Republicans took back the White House. Instead, it may be the year GOP primary voters handed the election to Hillary Clinton, a dishonest, self-serving political animal and the second-least liked person in the race.[Let the church say AMEN!]
Trump fans think that because Trump trounced the competition in most GOP primaries, he can win in November. They don't care if Gallup reports that 70 percent of women don't like Trump. His net favorable/unfavorable rating among women is minus 47 percent. They know women who like Trump. They point to Clinton's minus 3 percent net negative rating among women. That's the statistic they trust.
On June 7, California will offer the last stand to stop Trump from winning the 1,237 delegates needed to clinch the nod. Because California's system awards all but 13 of its 172 delegates to each winner in the state's 53 congressional districts, the stop-Trump movement is telling state Republicans to vote for Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas or Ohio Gov. John Kasich — whichever candidate looks likelier to win one's particular district. (How can you tell? Watch for which GOP rival generates the most campaign mail.)
On Friday night, Kasich gave the standout speech at the convention. It's too bad he wasn't addressing a full house, as I saw a candidate who understands economic insecurity and the fear that haunts working-class families with no political connections or clout. I saw the Republican who fares best against the presumptive Democratic nominee.
GOP pros have been watching Trump stomping all over the slim chances of a party on life support. In the first three months of 2016, California registered 850,000 new voters — twice as many voters as it registered in the same period in 2012.
Yes, GOP registration is up. But political data guru Paul Mitchell wrote in Capitol Weekly that the state has seen a "doubling of registration growth among Latinos, and a more than 150 percent increase for some young voters, and a near-tripling for Democrats." That's why many GOP political pros will not vote for Trump in June — or November.
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 12:13 pm
by wesw
loyalty to your nation comes second to your party loyalty.
go to Canada..., better yet, paris.
Canada deserves better....
china might be your best bet. party loyalty is big in china....
eta- of course you aren t loyal to your party either....
your party chose trump.
perhaps you party leaders can survive without party members..., but don t bet the farm on it.
it isn t your party anymore , bucko. it s Ours.
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:02 pm
by Big RR
wes--if you honestly believe that Trump and his brand of over the top bluster will be "good for the nation", the go on and support him; but there are many of us, myself included, who think a Trump presidency could easily be a disaster (albeit for a variety of reasons). Trying to assure that he does not get elected is not party loyalty, it is loyalty to the nation first. Indeed, I think that is exactly what Will means when he says:
Were he to be nominated, conservatives would have two tasks. One would be to help him lose 50 states — condign punishment for his comprehensive disdain for conservative essentials, including the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation’s civic life. Second, conservatives can try to save from the anti-Trump undertow as many senators, representatives, governors and state legislators as possible.
It's not parties so much as ideas, left vs right rather than republican vs democrat. And it has to do with the vision for the nation in the years to come.
Personally, while I do think that a Trump presidency could go a long way to getting more left leaning congressmen and senators elected, both now and during the mid-term election, I care more about the country to not even want to take a chance that Trump could be in the White House. And I think many, like Jim, think the same sort of thing.
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:38 pm
by Sue U
wesw wrote:
it isn t your party anymore , bucko. it s Ours.
Yes it is, and good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for you.
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:03 pm
by Bicycle Bill
wesw wrote:it isn t your party anymore , bucko. it s Ours.
Sorry, everybody, but I just couldn't resist when I saw wes had used that line.
And to wes — Enjoy the ride while it lasts, bucko, Trump will leave you drowning in your tears come November 9th.
-"BB"-
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:08 pm
by Big RR
That's probably true whether he wins or loses>
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:19 pm
by Lord Jim
I do think that a Trump presidency could go a long way to getting more left leaning congressmen and senators elected
Even with him as the nominee at the top of the ticket, the Senate is gone, and control of the House is now going to be a near thing...
wesw wrote:
it isn t your party anymore , bucko. it s Ours.
For the moment wes...
But once you and the rest of your knuckle dragging, mouth breathing compatriots and your "I could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and not lose a vote" hero are put to rout this November...
and you all go back to watching Naked and Afraid and Swamp People...
it will be my party again...
We survived the Goldwater debacle, we survived Watergate, we will survive the Trump Catastrophe...we're going to take some serious lumps here, but this to shall pass...
In the mean time, it's stillmy party and I'll cry if I want to... Hit it Lesley:
ETA:
Oh damn Bill, you beat me on the Lesley Gore number...
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:30 pm
by wesw
RR, George will is a snooty pratt. fuck him and his thesaurus...
(his baseball writing is waaay over rated too)
and jim, I don t watch naked and afraid...., but swamp people is da bomb!
play it pretty for 'em , hank....
eta-speaking of naked and afraid....
they go out in the jungle with chiggers and jiggers and bugs that crawl up urethras and they don t make a pair drawers out of something?
I m sure that there are plastic wal mart bags blowing around the jungle somewhere if they can t tan leather or weave fronds....
you better wrap that rascal or something is gonna crawl up there....
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:34 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
LJ, doesn't having someone on "ignore" mean (a) no peeking and (b) no responding even if someone else quotes it?
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:36 pm
by Big RR
Jim--you think the republicans might actually get back some John Lindsays, Charles Goodells, or Clifford Cases (Sen Case was the last republican I voted for in a national office, in the late 70s I think)? If so, I may lean that way as well.
wes--if you don't like Will's writing, so be it. But the idea is distinct from the messenger.
Meade--part of the Board rules?
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:45 pm
by wesw
RR, come to think of it, Will was a snooty pratt when I first became interested in politics and when I leaned left....
that had to be 30-35 yrs ago....
he hasn t changed a bit, he even looks the same....
wasn t he on the mc Laughlin group with sam Donaldson(alien!) and jack germond (who I liked) ?
or was it the other show, david Brinkley?
I think Donaldson was on Brinkley.....?
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:53 pm
by Lord Jim
MajGenl.Meade wrote:LJ, doesn't having someone on "ignore" mean (a) no peeking and (b) no responding even if someone else quotes it?
I did peek the one time, (thanks to you ) and I do respond to quotes that others post...(it's not like there are any real "rules" to this... )
wes--if you don't like Will's writing, so be it. But the idea is distinct from the messenger.
So wes doesn't like George F. Will?
I suppose that's understandable...too many long, complicated three syllable words and complex sentences... probably gives him a headache trying to read Will's writing...
And the news just gets better and better:
Kasich dropping out of presidential race
John Kasich is dropping his presidential bid, according to a senior campaign adviser, one day after Donald Trump became the presumptive nominee and Ted Cruz bowed out of the race.
The Ohio governor had long ago been mathematically eliminated from clinching the GOP nomination outright but had hoped to emerge as a consensus candidate at a contested convention.
Ultimately, Kasich outlasted nearly all of his rivals but can claim to have beaten few of them. He won only one contest — his home state of Ohio — during the primary season, and his final tally of 153 delegates puts him fourth in the race behind Marco Rubio, who dropped out in mid-March.
Kasich had said Tuesday night that he would keep fighting, but after Cruz suspended his campaign and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus declared Trump the presumptive nominee, Kasich apparently decided to end his bid.
Kasich had been expected to talk with reporters this morning at Washington Dulles International Airport before embarking on what his campaign termed a full day of finance events in Maryland and Virginia. But the campaign later canceled the briefing and scheduled a news conference at 5 p.m. in Columbus, Ohio.
I guess we can now formally hand the lunatics the keys to the asylum...
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:02 pm
by wesw
I don t think that Kasich could have handled the Clinton attack machine anyway....
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:07 pm
by Long Run
There will be three general types of Republicans going forward to November: (1) those who get behind the nominee, with varying degrees of enthusiasm; (2) those that sit on their hands; and (3) those that actively oppose the nominee. The latter two categories are unique to this nominee in recent elections. Has a candidate ever won without having the party "base" support?
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:07 pm
by Lord Jim
Jim--you think the republicans might actually get back some John Lindsays, Charles Goodells, or Clifford Cases
Big RR, I would be perfectly happy to get back to the days when the party was run by RINOS like Ronald Reagan...
Re: A Commonsense Analysis From A Sound Conservative Republi
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:34 pm
by Lord Jim
Long Run wrote:There will be three general types of Republicans going forward to November: (1) those who get behind the nominee, with varying degrees of enthusiasm; (2) those that sit on their hands; and (3) those that actively oppose the nominee. The latter two categories are unique to this nominee in recent elections. Has a candidate ever won without having the party "base" support?
The rule of thumb is you want 80-90 percent of those identifying with your party behind you in a general election...
Then you have to motivate them to turn out...
Trump is not going to have anywhere near that...
There is a hardcore 35-40 percent of the reliable GOP vote that absolutely will not vote for him...(Even in Pennsylvania, where Trump got 57% of the vote, 37% of GOP primary voters said in exit polls they would never vote for Trump)
Ordinarily you would expect this kind of gap to close somewhat over time, (especially with a lightning rod like Hillary Clinton as the demo nominee) but I believe the unique circumstances involved here means that it won't close all that much...
That 35-40 percent (and I am one of them) doesn't feel negatively disposed towards the nominee because of a hard fought primary contest where they preferred another candidate who just didn't happen to win...
That portion of the GOP believes that Donald Trump is fundamentally unqualified and unsuited for the Presidency...
That's not the sort of thing people change their mind about...(and hardly a day goes by without Trump reminding us once again how fundamentally unsuited and unqualified for the Presidency he is...the guy thinks nothing of yanking garbage out of The National Enquirer and referring to it as a "news report")
Probably the best recent analogy we have where a significant portion of one the major party's voters decided that their nominee was "fundamentally unsuited and unqualified" to the point they would even vote for someone they considered extremely odious in the other party, would be the Nixon-McGovern race in '72...