Plan B Forum

In advance I should say any advice to vote for Trump or Cruz will be ignored.

Vote.... I SAY VOTE FOR FOGHORN!!!

Nice girl but she doesn't listen to a word you say....

Write in Jessamyn Amanda Bonney.

Maybe it's time to start thinking about becoming a Democrat.


(ducks)

Scooter wrote:Maybe it's time to start thinking about becoming a Democrat.


(ducks)

Yeah, I'm going to start voting for the "letting people keep more of their own money is called a 'give away' party"...

That's not going to happen...

ETA:

I don't see the value in exchanging the "party of greed" for the "party of envy"...

We really ought to be able to sort out something in between...

Scooter wrote:Maybe it's time to start thinking about becoming a Democrat.


(ducks)

Well, you said ducks, so here is one.

Save your anxiety for November. Forget Trump and Cruz for now. That problem is out of an educated voter's control. Just vote for all the other candidates on the ballot and you'll still feel good about completing your civic duty.

Well, I see wesw has been by, but I can't figure out if LJ voted for Cruz or RR's corpse.

TPFKA@W wrote:.....I can't figure out if LJ voted for Cruz or RR's corpse.

It's logical to assume that of corpse he voted for Reagan!

I said vote for Cruz, for the simple reason that
1) there was no option for "anybody but Trump", and
2) You've already said you wouldn't vote for a qualified candidate (i.e., a Democrat).

-"BB"-

I also said I wouldn't vote for Cruz so your determination logic is a bit short of the mark.

TPFKA@W wrote:Well, I see wesw has been by, but I can't figure out if LJ voted for Cruz or RR's corpse.

I picked Cruz, (even though you said you would ignore that advice) because it's what I would do if I were in your situation.

As I've said, I find Cruz absolutely loathsome and would not vote for him in the general election, (if he's the nominee I won't vote for Hillary either) but the fact is that an Indiana primary win for him is the only way to have any hope at all for a contested convention, and eventually have an acceptable nominee.

I was prepared to vote for Cruz here in the California primary but since we award delegates based on Congressional district, and I'm pretty sure that Kasich will have a good shot at winning the district I live in, I'm going to vote for Kasich. If I lived in a more conservative Republican district, I would hold my nose and vote for Theodore....

But if you absolutely positively can't bring yourself to vote for Cruz, (even though that's the only way to stop Trump, get to a contested convention, and eventually nominate an acceptable candidate) then vote for Kasich.

ETA:

I want to make VERY clear, just in case anyone might think otherwise, if Trump is the nominee, even though I will vote for Hillary, that will NOT mean that I have somehow "become a Democrat." (Any more than my father casting his one and only vote for a Republican for President when he voted for Nixon over McGovern meant he had "become a Republican".)

No way Jose, not on your Nelly...

When I vote for Hillary, it won't be to embrace the Democratic party or its agenda or anything it has come to stand for. I haven't suddenly decided that confiscatory tax rates are a good idea, or that destroying our economy would be just peachy if it meant that we could reduce global warming by some infinitesimal amount, or that our already decimated defense budget should be further cut.

Nor have I suddenly become a moral relativist, soft on crime, thug hugger...

Not a bit of it...

When I vote for Hillary over Trump, it will be for the same reason that George Will is prepared to do so. Not to reject the Republican party, but to save it...

TPFKA@W wrote:I also said I wouldn't vote for Cruz so your determination logic is a bit short of the mark.

Actually, it's the same line of reasoning that LJ used; he just summed it up far better than I could.

-"BB"-

Lord Jim wrote:When I vote for Hillary over Trump, it will be for the same reason that George Will is prepared to do so. Not to reject the Republican party, but to save it...

And you're going to take a lot of crap for it from a lot of quarters. I certainly hope that no one here takes it as licence to gloat or to attempt to shut you down when you criticize the future President Clinton, as if having voted for under protest somehow stifles your right to dissent. Or that no one starts throwing around the term RINO or similar epithets because you had enough integrity to swallow your pride and do the right thing for you party AND your country by denying that suppurating pustule the keys to the White House. Because I will be the one telling them to back the fuck off.

Well, there is no way that I will be voting for the Hilldabeaste. I would vote for Bernie if he becomes the option, but not HER. I hope you have some bleach on hand to take care of the stink on you after casting that vote. RINOMAN.

Meanwhile, I am one who believes the party is not going to be saved no matter who wins.

I am thinking Foghorn is da man.

RINOMAN.

The fact of the matter is, that the Number One RINO in America is named Donald J. Trump...

when you criticize the future President Clinton

I have every confidence that she will provide me with ample opportunity to do just that...

As a Republican living San Francisco, believe you me I'm used to taking shit...(Hell I don't even have to leave my house to get shit about it from two Democrats living under my roof... )

And the specter of a Trump nomination has made the ribbing worse from friends and neighbors...

"Hey Jim, when are you going to put up a Trump sign on your lawn?"

"How about that Donald Trump? You must be really proud of your party"

Cripes, one comedian even sent me a "Make America Great Again" hat....

(That wound up in the same place as the unsolicited AARP membership cards...on the barbecue grill...)

At least I can commiserate with my long time Republican friends back East, who feel just as depressed about the whole Trump thing as I do...

Wes likes to whine about people giving him crap for being a Trump supporter...

Boo hoo hoo...cry me a river...

He should try being a Republican in Ess Eff...

You could always write-in this guy —



I especially like the last line on the poster — "You've voted for worse."

-"BB"-

Yet more cheery news this morning:

Poll: Donald Trump leads Ted Cruz by double digits in Indiana

Just days ahead of Indiana's crucial primary, Donald Trump has taken a double-digit lead over Ted Cruz, with a majority of Republican voters looking unfavorably at the recent collaborative efforts between Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, according to a new poll.

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist survey, released Sunday, found Trump with a 15-point advantage over his closest rival among likely GOP primary voters in Indiana: Trump sits at 49 percent of support, while Cruz has 34 percent. Kasich trails far behind at 13 percent.

Fifty-eight percent of likely Republican voters also disapprove of the alliance between Cruz and Kasich, who announced their collaborative efforts last week. To prevent the current GOP front-runner from reaching the 1,237 delegates needed for the party's nomination, Kasich agreed to reshuffle his resources to Oregon and New Mexico, leaving Indiana to Cruz. But Republicans in the Hoosier state didn't take kindly to that strategy: Only 34 percent said they approved of the two campaigns' cooperation.

Still, about 63 percent of likely GOP primary voters said that the Kasich-Cruz alliance would not factor into their votes.

Among likely Democratic primary voters, Hillary Clinton leads Bernie Sanders by just four percent -- a number within the Democratic survey's margin of error of 4.6 percentage points. Clinton has 50 percent of support while Sanders has 46 percent.

In a general election contest, however, Clinton would lose to all three Republican candidates in Indiana. Trump would beat the former secretary of state 48 percent to 41 percent; Cruz would do the same, 50 percent to 43 percent. Kasich would dominate over Clinton 56 percent to 37 percent.

Meanwhile, Indiana would go to Sanders in a match-up against Cruz (48 to 45 percent) and the Vermont senator would nearly tie the other two Republican contenders.

Indiana, which has 57 delegates at stake, votes Tuesday.

The NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll was conducted April 26-28, including 645 likely GOP primary voters and 449 likely Democratic primary voters. The margin of error for Republicans was 3.9 percentage points, while for the Democrats it was 4.6 percentage points.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald ... n-indiana/

As I reluctantly said earlier, the results from the five primaries last Tuesday really seems to show that the Trump-thing has finally reached the 50% plus level with GOP primary voters...

He's managed to at long last reach this critical mass, (with anyone else, it would have happened a long time ago) with the addition of voters who may not be crazy about him, but prefer a contested convention even less...(I think they are dead wrong, but it is what it is)

This new Indiana poll is further confirmation of this...

Is Indiana a WTA primary?