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Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:48 am
by Gob
...Mr Cameron...
In perhaps his most emotive speech so far making the case for Britain remaining in Europe, the Prime Minister will evoke the image of "rows of white headstones in Commonwealth war cemeteries" as evidence of the "price the country has paid" to ensure peace and order in the continent. And he will warn that throughout British history, whenever "we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... -case-for-...
Never turn your back on the Bosch, eh, they don't like it up them!

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:04 am
by Lord Jim
Cameron has foolishly gone so "all in" for this pathetic joke of a "deal", if it goes down I don't see how he remains Prime Minister...

Given the extent of the Tory Majority, that wont mean a new election, just a new PM...

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Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:05 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Just saying, LJ (and a few others) —
before you post those HUU-UUGE pictures or posters that run something like 1000 pixels square or larger, may I make a suggestion?
Do a Google "image search" to see if there might be an identical picture in a slightly smaller size that you can then copy-and-paste.

For example, all that displays of the above pic of the PM on my computer is the right shoulder of his suit coat.  No torso, no face, not even a corner of his ear or a wisp of his scraggly hair.  To see the pic one has to right-click and select "view image", then return to the post and continue reading the rest of the comment(s).

However, just as an experiment, I ran a Google "image search" using the URL for that massive picture as the search term; this gave me a page which said, in part, "for matching images try search by image" (*the words 'search by image' were a clickable link*).  After clicking on "search by image" I found several other pictures of the PM, including this one — which as you can see is identical to your image but already in a size (472 x 312 pixels, in this case) that fits the page much nicer:
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Now, this doesn't work all the time; sometimes the image is not able to be found on the net in any other size but the original.  But a situation like that is generally the exception rather than the rule.

Just a helpful hint to make the experience a little more convenient for those reading and viewing these oversized images.
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-"BB"-

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:36 pm
by rubato
Scottish voters have indicated they would leave the UK and stay in the EU, if so the UK would be smaller and weaker after leaving. OIl prices are pretty sad so that will make it hurt less.

In order to continue to trade with the EU UK companies will be forced to comply with EU product safety, consistency, shipping, &c regulations but you would have no input on what those rules are anymore. You will have to get used to being dictated to on travel and other regulations as well. British products might have to go through different approval processes, could cost you something there. You might lose manufacturing sites for foreign companies, cars, consumer goods &c. All of the high-volume car manufacturers are foreign aren't they? Ford, GM, Honda, NIssan, Toyota, BMW &c.

I know you don't MEAN it that way but people are only human and they will probably take the rejection a little personally (culturally speaking) so you will have to overcome some increased level of resentment. People are so clever at tacking on charges and expenses when dealing with someone who acts badly, aren't they? Well, you have it coming. I'm sure you'll learn a lot about passive-agressive behavior.

Good luck, we'll all have a good time learning from your experience.



yrs,
rubato

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:23 pm
by Econoline
Bicycle Bill wrote:Just a helpful hint to make the experience a little more convenient for those reading and viewing these oversized images
:clap: :ok

I always do that before posting an image--and if the only size I can find is waaaay too big, I usually find another, different image...or just don't post an image at all.




(BTW...I wish I could've found a slightly smaller version of the image I'm currently using in my signature; but it was so funny--and appropriate!--that I decided to use it anyway.)

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 6:32 pm
by Sue U
Econoline wrote: (BTW...I wish I could've found a slightly smaller version of the image I'm currently using in my signature; but it was so funny--and appropriate!--that I decided to use it anyway.)
Maybe this, or is it for a competing candidate?

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SMOD 2016!

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 1:04 am
by Lord Jim
Aside from the rather superficial hair thing, comparisons between Boris Johnson and The Trump-thing do a great disservice to Boris Johnson...

Boris Johnson is an erudite, thoughtful and knowledgeable person...

Donald Trump is...well...

not...

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:00 am
by BoSoxGal
Here ya go, Econoline: http://www.picresize.com/

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:10 am
by Lord Jim
Okay, I swapped out the image ...

Happy now?...

Geezus, some people...

But I guess if you can bitch about Mothers Day, you can complain about damn near anything... :P

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:34 am
by Gob
This is the same David "WWIII" Cameron who was threatening to take us out of the EU if he didn't get concessions on benefits to immigrants, isn't it?

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 11:06 pm
by rubato
If the people of the UK wish to be isolated culturally, economically and militarily then leaving the EU is a very good way to start.

Go back and review the events leading up to each of the world wars and ask yourself what was the causitive importance of the emotional reactions of people in each country to each step in the slide to war..

Leaving the EU isn't LIKE saying "fuck you, we don't need you" is IS saying "fuck you, we don't need you" to the very group you will depend on most for security. Now I don't think we have the conditions brewing which might lead to war but we certainly do have many sharp, violent, military conflicts around the globe. As an American I am glad for the leadership of France in addressing several of these conflicts, Libya, the Somali pirates, Mali. I wish we had more allies with their balls. Maybe we don't need you either.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 12:44 am
by Gob
LOL!! Oh dear, he does try doesn't he? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:31 am
by Lord Jim
Leaving the EU isn't LIKE saying "fuck you, we don't need you" is IS saying "fuck you, we don't need you"
Of course, it is nothing of the sort....

It is saying, "Nothing personal, but we prefer to be sovereign over our own country"

There's absolutely nothing about Brexit that mandates or indicates any sort of hostile relationship with countries that choose to remain in the EU...
the very group you will depend on most for security.
Wow...

Uhh, no, the group primarily responsible for European security isn't called the European Union...

It's called the North Atlantic Treaty Organization...

Perhaps you've heard of it...it was in all the papers...

From what I've been reading those leading the Remain campaign, (Cameron and others) are not even attempting to sell this to the public on the idea that the "deal" that was struck (the deal terms are such a joke, you'd think Obama had negociated it) is some sort wonderful new arrangement that does a lot to protect Britain's interests...They are smart enough realize that would be so ridiculous that no one would take them seriously....they'd have zero credibility...

No, the centerpiece of the Remain campaign is to appeal to defeatism and fear. Basically saying, "Well this may not be a great deal, but there all sorts of ominous economic consequences that will befall the country if we leave, so we have no choice but to accept it".

But this is a rubbish argument, for two reasons.

First, whatever incentives that EU countries have to trade with Britain, and Britain to trade with those countries don't magically disappear when Britain leaves the EU. In fact, being freed from all the many rules and regulations imposed by the EU will most likely make British goods more attractive not less. The US is obviously not an EU member and we have excellent trade relations and do enormous business with the member countries. There's not a reason in the world that the UK couldn't do the same.

And second, the UK is a net contributor to the EU by a significant amount:
The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.

In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.

Each year the UK gets an instant discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £5 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £18 billion in contributions.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

That's an additional 8.5 billion pounds that would be available to the British economy annually...

Also, because of the fact that the Brits never made the mistake of allowing the Pound Sterling to be supplanted by the Euro, there is probably no member country that could leave the EU more smoothly and with less uncertainty and economic cost then Great Britain.

It's an open question as to whether or not the fear mongering will succeed. Every poll I've seen that has been taken since this lip stick wearing pig of an agreement was announced has had the vote within the margin of error. As I mentioned earlier, this is pretty remarkable when you have the leadership of both major parties supporting it. You've basically got a grass roots revolt against it going on.

The one thing Cameron has done right regarding this so far is not attempting to impose Party Discipline over the deal with Tory MPs and leaving them free decide for themselves whether to support or oppose it. (There are even a couple of members of his cabinet who have come out against it.) Had he attempted to do that, he would probably have already been sacked.

If Cameron is still as nimble and skilled a political operator as he has shown himself to be in the past, he should really start to put some distance between himself and this stinker he's put up for a vote...

Rather than talk silly nonsense about "turning our backs on Europe"

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:37 am
by Gob
Jim, you have to make allowances for him.

Come one now, play fair.

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:38 am
by MajGenl.Meade
I'm looking forward to my North Atlantic Treat! (What is it?)

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:46 am
by Gob

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 2:48 am
by Lord Jim
MajGenl.Meade wrote:I'm looking forward to my North Atlantic Treat! (What is it?)
It's an evening with a Swedish fashion model...

Typo fixed...

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 3:55 am
by Bicycle Bill
Lord Jim wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:I'm looking forward to my North Atlantic Treat! (What is it?)
It's an evening with a Swedish fashion model...

Typo fixed...
And here she is now.....
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Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:32 pm
by rubato
Hey brain dead.

Alienating your EU partners is the same as alienating NATO:

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49217.htm
Sharing strategic interests, NATO and the European Union cooperate on issues of common interest and are working side by side in crisis management, capability development and political consultations. The European Union is a unique and essential partner for NATO. The two organisations share a majority of members (22), and all members of both organisations share common values.

Institutionalised relations between NATO and the European Union (EU) were launched in 2001, building on steps taken during the 1990s to promote greater European responsibility in defence matters (NATO-Western European Union cooperation1). The political principles underlying the relationship were set out in the December 2002 NATO-EU Declaration on a European Security and Defence Policy (ESDP). The declaration also reaffirmed EU assured access to NATO’s planning capabilities for the EU’s own military operations. Later, the so-called “Berlin Plus” arrangements set the basis for the Alliance to support EU-led operations in which NATO as a whole is not engaged.

With the enlargement of both organisations in 2004 followed by the accession of Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia to the EU, NATO and the European Union now have 22 member countries in common.2

At the Lisbon Summit in November 2010, the Allies underlined their determination to improve the NATO-EU strategic partnership. This was reinforced by NATO’s 2010 Strategic Concept which commits the Alliance to prevent crises, manage conflicts and stabilise post-conflict situations, including by working more closely with NATO’s international partners, most importantly the United Nations and its strategic partner - the EU.

NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential.

Hatred makes you both stupid.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Who do you think you are kidding...

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:12 pm
by Crackpot
Damnit they're alienating themselves!