Plan B Forum

An F from the NRA and a 100% from Planned Parenthood. I'm good with the choice, even if I did really want Corey Booker (or maybe I just want Corey Booker )!

That takes me back, Gob: 55 years to be exact. And more than once.

Kaine seems like a safe choice. He will not upstage Hill on any major issues, and should Hillary bow out after her first term he'd be an acceptable party choice for 2020.

Guinevere wrote:An F from the NRA and a 100% from Planned Parenthood. I'm good with the choice, even if I did really want Corey Booker (or maybe I just want Corey Booker )!

It's not yet Booker's time and besides, you really don't want Chris Christie picking his replacement, do you? Kaine is an okay choice and I get the rationales, but personally I would have liked someone a bit more firebrandy. Either that or make Joe Biden Veep for Life.

Of course not, that's why I've been saying Booker, Sherrod Brown, and Lizzie Warren were nice ideas but basically non-starters.

I like Kaine, especially his long history of representing people in fair housing discrimination claims due to race/disability, and his long history of doing pro bono work while a practicing attorney. The only attorneys that do that kind of work long-term are attorneys who have genuine compassion and understanding for those largely disenfranchised from the American Dream. I admit I have a very soft spot for his having been educated to some degree in the Jesuit tradition. I think he'll make a great VP and possible Presidential contender down the road.

And quite frankly, I am perfectly happy to keep Elizabeth Warren as my Senator!

I am perfectly happy to keep Elizabeth Warren as my Senator!

And I'm perfectly happy to let you keep her...

Seriously though, I do hope she stays out on the campaign trail as a speaker; I really like the way she gets under Trump's skin and gets him sputtering...

I see he's still got her so much on the brain that even this morning he couldn't resist talking about her:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago
Pocahontas wanted V.P. slot so badly but wasn't chosen because she has done nothing in the Senate. Also, Crooked Hillary hates her!

Nice to see the way becoming the nominee has caused Trump to behave in a more mature and dignified way...

She will still have a prime spot at the convention and she will so completely skewer him.

Heard one talking head expert say yesterday the debate between the two VP nominees will be a welcome change from the main event debates. These two will be competing to demonstrate which is the nicer and more polite.

snailgate

I watched the roll out appearance in Florida earlier today...

Laying any questions about policy aside, from a strictly "personality balancing" standpoint, Kaine is definitely going to be an asset to the ticket...

He comes across as genuine, affable, likeable, and engaging...

"genuine", "affable", "likeable", and "engaging" are not exactly the first four descriptors that come to mind when one thinks of Her Royal Clintoness...

Burning Petard wrote:Heard one talking head expert say yesterday the debate between the two VP nominees will be a welcome change from the main event debates. These two will be competing to demonstrate which is the nicer and more polite.

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Sorry, but anyone who holds Pence's positions on family leave, abortion, Social Security, contraception, and gay marriage, is most definitively NOT a nice person.

"You must be wondering why I called you here. We had an excellent budget planned, bread and circuses. An hour ago, I sent for another portion for myself but got only the circuses. There was no more bread"

I think he is a very good choice for many reasons. One is that he is personally opposed to abortion but admits that it is a right.

I don't understand why some said he would be unpopular with liberals. They must have meant people ignorant in economics who never read David Ricardo and don't understand that free trade is better for everyone.

Yrs,
Rubato

"So it's fair to say that our economies are entwined, and we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. Australia is a critical partner. This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment."

- Hillary Clinton Nov 5, 2012 (US Secretary of State)

"Because TPP negotiations are still ongoing, it makes sense to reserve judgment until we can evaluate the final proposed agreement. It’s safe to say the TPP won’t be perfect -- no deal negotiated among a dozen countries ever will be -- but its higher standards, if implemented and enforced, should benefit American businesses and workers… The TPP became the economic pillar of our strategy in Asia."

- Hillary Clinton July 2014 (no longer Secretary of State)

"I've been for trade agreements, I've been against trade agreements, voted for some, voted against others, so I want to judge this when I see exactly what exactly is in it and whether or not I think it meets my standards," adding she had some "concerns" about the TPP.

- Hillary Clinton May 22, 2015

"I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it would be the gold standard," Clinton said. "It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn't meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into the eyes of any middle-class American and say, ‘this will help raise your wages.’ And I concluded I could not."

- Hillary Clinton October 8, 2015

President Obama pushed Monday for passage of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement that is stuck in Congress, defying anti-trade rhetoric from likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, whom he endorsed. In a speech at a federally sponsored global business summit in Washington, the president rattled off a list of purported benefits from the deal with 12 Pacific Rim nations.

“When we’ve gotten it done, the Trans-Pacific Partnership will do even more to lower the costs of exporting, eliminating taxes and custom duties and raising intellectual property standards that protect data and ideas and jobs,”

The Trans-Pacific Partnership is a disastrous trade agreement designed to protect the interests of the largest
multi-national corporations at the expense of workers, consumers, the environment and the foundations of
American democracy. It will also negatively impact some of the poorest people in the world.

- Bernie Sanders

There’s one thing that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have done together this campaign: Cripple trade deals. In a striking divergence from typical Capitol Hill finger-pointing, Democrats and Republicans alike are declining to blame each other for the dimming prospects of passing the sweeping free trade deal with 11 Pacific Rim countries. Instead, there’s bipartisan agreement that it’s all the fault of Trump and Clinton, both of whom strongly oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Ask a Bernie-bot and you'll find that both strongly favor the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and that only Bernie strongly opposes it.