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And of course, shoots himself in the foot.

On Thursday night, Khizr Khan, flanked by his wife, addressed the Democratic Convention.  Mr. Khan told of his son, Capt. Humayun Khan, who had been killed by an Iraqi suicide car bomb while serving with the US military in 2004.  Mr. Khan, who is an American of the Muslim faith, as was his son, chastised Trump for his attitude against even allowing Muslims into the US, noting that if Trump would have his way that his son would not have had the opportunity to become an American soldier.


“Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the United States of America.  You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities.  You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”
So what does Trump do? In an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News, he takes one excerpt of Mr. Khan's speech (quoted above) and then issues a ridiculous statement that he, Donald Trump, has indeed sacrificed much as well.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-father-fallen-soldier-ive-made-lot/story?id=41015051

And when pressed by Mr. Stephanopoulos to name some of the things has The Donald sacrificed?  I'll let Trump's own words speak for themselves:
"I think I've made a lot of sacrifices.  I work very, very hard.  I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures.  I've had tremendous success.  I think I've done a lot."
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Trump then went on to cite his work on behalf of veterans, including helping to build a Vietnam War memorial in Manhattan, and raising “millions of dollars” for vets.

Seriously — this guy has the balls to cite involvement in some fundraisers and paying people to put up big buildings (that he then used to make even more boatloads of money) as a 'sacrifice' on a par with the sacrifice, pain, and loss experienced by a Gold Star family?  There's only one word that can even come close to describing the hubris in such a statement, and that word is "un-fucking-believable".
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He also suggested that the mother wasn't 'allowed' to speak at the DNC by her Muslim husband.

The night after the DNC they were both on The Last Word and she spoke, but was clearly still devastated by the loss of her hero son (who saved the lives of hundreds of soldiers and Iraqi Muslim civilians) and so obviously preferred her husband to speak for them both at the DNC.

I keep waiting for Chump to hit bottom, but there is apparently no end to his depravity. :arg
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I was wondering how he'd handle this one...

With his usual class and grace I see...

Frankly I'm surprised that he didn't say that the Khans should be thanking him for his "sacrifice"... :loon

But this shouldn't be surprising...

Afterall, this is the guy who began his campaign by calling a man who spent five and a half years being tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp (and who could have gotten out three years earlier but refused accept special treatment) a "loser" for getting captured...
there is apparently no end to his depravity
I've pretty much come to that conclusion...I reached it a while ago...
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Trump's comments and responses are one of his most offensive displays yet. How many times must he demonstrate the depths of his grossness for it to stick?

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My daughter could use a pocket copy of the Constitution, but sending money to the ACLU is a bridge way to far for me... :|




I'm not in the habit of posting articles from that lefty shill site Vox.com, (as a rule their writers have a strong penchant for playing fast and loose with the facts...Generally I give anything posted here from there the exact same level of credibility I would give to something posted from breitbart.com)

But I thought I'd make an exception for this one...(since the guy makes the exact same point I've been making...I guess nobody can be wrong 100% of the time... 8-) )
Donald Trump’s fight with the Khans is a reminder of his greatest weakness

Today, Ghazala Khan published a Washington Post op-ed entitled, "Trump criticized my silence. He knows nothing about true sacrifice."

For Trump, it gets worse from there. Khan writes:
I cannot walk into a room with pictures of Humayun. For all these years, I haven’t been able to clean the closet where his things are — I had to ask my daughter-in-law to do it. Walking onto the convention stage, with a huge picture of my son behind me, I could hardly control myself. What mother could? Donald Trump has children whom he loves. Does he really need to wonder why I did not speak?

Donald Trump said that maybe I wasn’t allowed to say anything. That is not true. My husband asked me if I wanted to speak, but I told him I could not. My religion teaches me that all human beings are equal in God’s eyes. Husband and wife are part of each other; you should love and respect each other so you can take care of the family.

When Donald Trump is talking about Islam, he is ignorant.
A quick recap, in case you’re late to this: The most emotional moment of the Democratic National Convention was the speech by Khizr Khan, the bereaved father of Army Captain Humayun Khan. With his wife Ghazala by his side, Khan recalled his son’s character, his faith, his patriotism — and, ultimately, his courageous death in the service of the country he loved, and the fellow soldiers he was protecting.

Trump, for no reason at all, responded to this speech wondering whether Ghazala Khan hadn’t spoken on the stage because, as a Muslim woman, her husband wouldn’t permit her to talk in public. "If you look at his wife, she was standing there," he said, on national television. "She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say."

Trump’s slander of Ghazala Khan was cruel. It was factually untrue. But it was also deeply, profoundly counterproductive — a man so angry about being cut off in traffic that he crashes his own car in revenge.

The Democratic National Convention was, by all accounts, a rousing success. What Trump needed to do was move on from it as quickly as possible — get the press talking about something else, get voters thinking about something else.

Instead, he’s managed to not only extend the DNC’s dominance of the news cycle, but to extend the most powerful moment, and the most compelling speakers’, time in the spotlight.


It’s easy to forget now but the Khans didn’t appear in the 10-11pm hour carried by the networks. They were a sensation on Twitter, and I’m sure millions saw their words on Facebook, but the truth is most Americans, as of Friday, had no idea who they were or what they had said. I remember, after the speech, listening to Democrats lament that the Clinton campaign hadn’t put them higher on the schedule: the Khans were clearly the most effective anti-Trump messengers at the convention, but barely anyone would know it.

Luckily for the Clinton campaign, Trump has solved that problem for them. Now the Khans will be in the press for days. Clips of their speech will be played on every newscast nationwide. They will be guests on the biggest programs, they will write op-eds in the biggest papers. Their story will be told and retold, as will Trump’s dishonorable, petulant, and slanderous response. Trump will get the Khans more press and more visibility than the DNC ever did.

Even aside from its gauge as a measure of Trump’s cruelty, this episode reveals a few important truths about Donald Trump.

First, Trump is great at getting into the headlines, but he’s not great at getting the headlines he wants. He operates off of an all-press-is-good-press strategy that might have worked when he needed to stand out in a crowded primary but is a disaster now that he needs to win over undecided voters in Ohio. The National Review’s Reihan Salam had a good Twitter riff to this effect:

Reihan Salam
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Best, most obvious counter for Trump re: Khan: hammer HRC for Iraq. Instead, took the bait. Said creating US jobs was a sacrifice.

Reihan Salam @reihan

He always takes the bait.



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Here's what he could have said: "Look, I'm not going to compare my sacrifice to a parent who lost a child. That's the ultimate sacrifice."

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"This is not about me. This is about the hard calls a president has to make. Hillary supported the Iraq War, and thousands died ..."

Reihan Salam @reihan

"... including that brave young man. I won't get our country into reckless wars, period." This might've been unfair. But effective.

Reihan Salam @reihan

"Why was he called up for duty? To protect our freedom? Or to make up for a terrible mistake made by a corrupt elite?" Unfair but effective.

Reihan Salam @reihan

Smart communicators don't get baited into fixating on themselves and their wounded pride.
The second thing, as Salam says at the end of his argument, is that Trump is easily baited. He couldn’t swallow his hurt and anger over the Khan’s speech, he had to lash out, to fight back, to smear them in response. This doesn’t make sense if you understand the goal of an election as getting elected, but it does make sense if you understand the goal of an election as playing out an endless series of dominance games.

This is a point TPM’s Josh Marshall has repeatedly made about Trump. A need for dominance, Marshall writes, "is the key to understanding virtually everything Trump does. Whatever is actually happening he tries to refashion it into a dominance ritual or at least will not engage before performing one. You saw that in those numerous examples where he said he would participate in a debate but only after the other party wrote a major check to charity. It's primal."

The Khans’ speech hurt Trump. He watched it. He read the coverage of it. He felt slighted, inferior, humiliated. And so he needed to rebalance the scales. He needed to regain his dominance. He seems confused that anyone faults him for this — isn’t it obvious that they attacked him, and so he should get to attack them back?
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I was viciously attacked by Mr. Khan at the Democratic Convention. Am I not allowed to respond? Hillary voted for the Iraq war, not me!
This is the logic of a schoolyard bully, which Trump is. But it’s a dangerous mindset for a president.
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There are a lot of writers a Vox.com, and their credibility varies widely. Some of the longer articles, especially, offer great in-depth analysis of a particular topic. Your best bet as a conservative, Jim, is to read the whole article before you prejudge it--or at least enough of it to be able to judge the individual article on its own merits.

Oh, and I agree that the article you quoted is 100% spot-on. :ok
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Most assholes pretend to be better than they are, for PR purposes if nothing else. I have know a few people in my life who make out that they are bigger assholes than they actually are, mainly I suppose because it is a source of power.

For a while now I have assumed that Trump is one of that second kind. Yes he is wealthy off the backs of others (see various bankruptcies) but there are many people who say kind things about him. But now I realize that he actually is a WYSIWYG asshole of the first water. To recall a phrase from HUAC times: "Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness" said to Joe McCarthy by Joseph Welch, who also said "Have you no decency?" Oh for a Joe Welch when we need one.

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I just saw Mr. Khan being interviewed on CNN's State Of The Union program...

Man, Trumpty has really made a mistake deciding to try to pick a fight with this guy...

Not only is he draped in moral authority as a Gold Star parent, but he's also extremely articulate, poised, and well spoken (not surprising; he's a lawyer.)

But you know The Donald...

He never has the sense to STFU...he'll probably attack him again today...
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Ghazala speaks:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html



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I went online at abc.com and watched the entire interview with the Donald. "I have no relationship with Putin" When hit with repeated times the Donald has claimed in his own words to have a good relationship with Putin, the Donald said he does not know what George means by 'relationship' George finally gives up pushing this--the Donald is just stonewalling that even if he uses the word to describe his connection with Putin, he does not know what the word means. He takes the philosophy of the Bush 43 administration (we make our own reality) and pushes it to a whole new universe. NATO is building a strategy on terrorism because the Donald brought this to their attention.
Hillary is a loser--she lost to Bernie. I ran a great primary campaign. I am a winner.

The Donald's words about his sacrifices have been been worked over by many. I was astounded by his discussion of Ukraine. That has not gotten much attention but that part hit me as just amazingly ignorant. He indicated he accepts as accurate, the Russian digestion and regurgitation about the events there in the last decade or even the last news cycle.

Yes, WESW, this is MY personal, biased, summation. But I did watch the entire ABC program so I did absorb it in context.

Bloomberg got it right--a con man.

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I have a pocket size copy of the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution all in a nicely bound hardback. I think everybody should read them. The NY Times paper copy used to print a reproduction of the Declaration, on the last page of section three every July 4. I say used to, because I have seen the NY times only on line for about the last 5 years. Go online and look into the history of the last amendment. It tells me the Equal Rights Amendment is not dead. We could even pass the anti-Titles of Nobility amendment. Sometimes it is just a long process.

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The first thing one should do when they are in a deep hole is "stop digging". :shrug

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"I have no relationship with Putin" When hit with repeated times the Donald has claimed in his own words to have a good relationship with Putin, the Donald said he does not know what George means by 'relationship' George finally gives up pushing this--the Donald is just stonewalling that even if he uses the word to describe his connection with Putin, he does not know what the word means...

...I was astounded by his discussion of Ukraine. That has not gotten much attention but that part hit me as just amazingly ignorant. He indicated he accepts as accurate, the Russian digestion and regurgitation about the events there in the last decade or even the last news cycle.
I agree that this hasn't gotten the attention it deserves, due to his appalling comments regarding the Khans and his supposed "sacrifices"...(I notice his Ukraine and Putin comments are getting more coverage this morning)

Part of the problem is that when you have an interview like that, where the interviewee says so many dishonest, ignorant and toxic things, it's difficult for every aspect to get its due attention...

There's only so much time and focus available...it takes a while to unpack it all...

As illuminating as Trump's disgusting attacks on the Khans are in terms of showing his temperament and character, frankly his grotesque misunderstanding of the international situation should be even more worrisome to the average American when contemplating this man as POTUS....

The person who has to be happiest about Trump's performance is Hillary Clinton...

He was so bad that her lying again about her emails and the conclusions of the FBI investigation has taken a secondary place in the news coverage...( I really don't understand why she insists on continuing to do this, rather than just repeating that she admits she made a mistake and refusing to discuss it further. Other than that, it was a pretty good interview for her. Why does she keep wanting to remind people of why they don't consider her honest and trustworthy? :shrug it's a mystery...)

If Trump hadn't given that godawful interview performance, that would have been the top political story from the weekend...
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More likely — with Trump talking he couldn't have gotten a word in edgewise anyway.
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Patriotism--the last refuge of scoundrels.

Mr. Liberty, have you no respect for private property? If I own the t-shirt factory, why should I not have the right to take my property to the place where I can make the most profit? Why should I not be able to buy a car made in Canada, or Mexico?

The last car I bought was made in Mexico. That particular model was assembled in factories in Asia, Europe, and all three countries of NAFTA. That particular factory in Mexico had at that time a better record for Warranty Repair (dealer fixes for free to the buyer the mistakes made at the factory) than any assembly plant for that company in Canada or USofA.

I hope and pray the national debt grows in the next four years. Right now interest on the national debt is lower than it has ever been since 1776. Foreigners are begging to lend money to the USofA. We desperately need public repair, maintenance, replacement of almost everything. It worked in 1935 when economics were much worse. Now we have a crisis of excess horror. There is an economic bogey man under every bed. For AT LEAST 20 years the conservatives experts have been screaming about how all that national debt is gonna kill us, or at least give us run-away inflation. If you support Trump, that is no problem. He has promised to just walk away from the national debt and treat it like Russian Royal Railroad bonds in 1925.

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What concerns me are the physiological symptoms I observe when Trump goes into defense mode. His facial tics, body movement, and mannerisms are very unsettling yet revealing. It goes well beyond adult ADHD -- I feel he's on the verge of a mental breakdown.

I sense he's not going to last until November.
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On the Ukraine - NPR ran a good report today. His position was described as "inarticulate" but not at all outrageous. Others have taken the same tack, including Kissinger. Doesn't mean it's correct but once again he's being incorrectly mocked.
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