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Indeed, a match made in heaven hell.

One would like to believe with a nation of over 300 MILLION we could do better than with these two loosers!

She's got a better chance of lasting out her term than Dumbold Trump would (for whatever reason) should he somehow manage to take occupancy of the Oval Office.

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I feel strongly that she gave up ambitions to be a two term POTUS when she lost to Obama in '08. She just wants to be the first woman president, and out in four years. I'm fairly sure she'll give Tim Kaine the nod to run in 2020.

RayThom wrote:I feel strongly that she gave up ambitions to be a two term POTUS when she lost to Obama in '08. She just wants to be the first woman president, and out in four years. I'm fairly sure she'll give Tim Kaine the nod to run in 2020.

What makes you feel this?

She's not even 70, looking at an 8 year job. McCain's running for another 6 year term and he's 80.

Look at Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

Why on earth should Hillary not want to give herself 8 years to shape the country's history?

I'm with BSG on this one...

If Hillary wins this election, she absolutely positively will run for re-election...

She will want to hold power every single minute she can...

From the time she was a teenager, this has been her raison d'etre...

BoSoxGal wrote:... She's not even 70, looking at an 8 year job. McCain's running for another 6 year term and he's 80... Look at Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
Why on earth should Hillary not want to give herself 8 years to shape the country's history?

McCain and Ginsberg are not running for the demanding job of POTUS. I predict both of them will leave their positions early with Ginsberg only holding on until Hillary is sworn in.

Anyway, right out of the gate, Clinton will be one of the most unpopular presidents ever and, for this very reason, one of the most demoralized, frustrated, and ineffective presidents since Buchanan. A defeated woman from the get-go. PLUS, I do think she has medical problems that are going to manifest during her four years of service. Kaine / Warren... 2020.

Of course, these are just my feeling -- I'm sure there is no one else out there thinking the same. Let's revisit this issue in 2019 providing we are both still here to do so. Til then -- DIXI

If you don't think being a justice of the SCOTUS is a demanding job, you don't understand a lot about their workload, I assert. And Ginsburg has been doing it since 1993, when she was appointed at age 60.

I'm pretty sure Hillary will be just fine. Considering how conservative she is for a Democrat, and how the Republican Party is currently committing suicide, I think she might be far less obstructed than Obama and may in fact make her mark in history by bringing many voters from her teenaged party (R) into her adult party (D).

I think she might be far less obstructed than Obama

If you look at her record as a legislator while she was in the Senate, there's good reason to be hopeful that she will be more effective both at leading the Dems on The Hill (something that Obama has been absolutely abysmal at; he has been regularly rolled by Pelosi and Reid since literally day one of his Presidency...it was his lack of clout and respect from the Democratic Congressional leadership that caused the "Grand Bargain" on the budget that he had negociated with Boehner to fall apart...) and far better at reaching across the aisle to work out compromises...

While she's obviously not very comfortable as an on-the-stump campaigner, she seems to be less contemptuous of, and disinterested in, the process of law making than Obama, which has been his greatest failing as a President...

That quality, and her more realistic attitude on national defense and the central importance of American leadership internationally (I see where she's been slamming Trump for his dismissive comments about "American Exceptionalism"; I recall Barack Obama expressing much the same attitude towards the concept) are the two main reasons I think she will be a better President than the one we have currently, and why I would prefer her to either Trump or Obama...

I have been, (and justifiably so) very critical of Hillary Clinton regarding her integrity and honesty, but let me rise for a moment to say a few good words about her...

It would have been very easy for her to fold to the pacifist/defeatist base of her party on national defense issues just the same way she has folded to the Bernie bros on virtually every domestic issue, but she has refused to do so, and I give her credit for that...

There's not a doubt in my mind that if Hillary Clinton had been President the past eight years rather than Obama, the US (and for that matter the rest of the world) would be in a much better place than we are today...

The record indicates that she was a vigorous advocate for achieving a residual force agreement with the Iraqis to keep 10,000 US troops in Iraq to serve as a buffer and honest broker between the Shia dominated central government and the Sunni regions of the country, which would have kept the Iraqi component of ISIS from becoming what it is now...

As President, I believe she would have achieved that agreement...

In Syria, she was a strong and early advocate for establishing a no fly zone shortly after the uprising against Assad began, as well as organizing and supporting a resistance force against him...

Had that policy been pursued rather than the thumb-up-the-butt approach adopted by President Dolittle, we would not have a Jihadist caliphate in Syria today, nor millions of Syrian refuges, nor hundreds of thousands of Syrians dead, nor thousands of European ISIS trained terrorists...

It's also impossible for me to imagine a President Hillary Clinton after having announced a decision to punish the Assad regime for the use of chemical weapons on his own people (which he continues to do to this day) crawling back down from that decision and accepting a ridiculous deal brokered by Vladimir Putin...

And speaking of Putin, if Hillary Clinton had been President the past eight years, we probably would have rallied our allies for far more effective sanctions against Russia after he grabbed Crimea, and been much more forthcoming with support for the government of Ukraine (President Dolittle refuses to provide them with defensive weaponry, or to even share intelligence with them about the placement and movements of the Russian-backed thugs seeking to carve up the country)

We also probably would have gone forward with the deployment of the missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, rather than abandon it when Putin squawked about it, (which was the first signal that President Dolittle sent to Putin showing what a soft touch he would be) and we would be providing far more military support for our front-line Eastern European NATO allies to send a message both to them and Vlad...

So while on domestic issues she continues to sing the usual nonsensical Democratic Party refrains, (I saw her say in her nomination acceptance speech that she was going to pay for the Sanders Claus wish list by having "the rich" pay "their fair share"...do the math Hil; that don't add up...) she has been pretty steadfast on foreign policy and national defense...

And I give her props for that; she will be a much better President for this country in these critical areas than President Dolittle...(or certainly God forbid, Donald Trump...)

Lord Jim wrote: she will be a much better President for this country in these critical areas than President Dolittle

Agreed. If one can get up for a 360 degree view -- rather than being stuck in the weeds joining the right-side and even main stream media in pointing out her many problems -- the best estimate of how she would be as president is that she would be pragmatic and looking for sensible solutions that have at least a bit of bipartisan support. In many ways, she is the complete opposite of Obama:

He was a great campaigner but a lousy administrator and politician; she is a poor campaigner but has demonstrated she is an effective negotiator and manager.

He was far more ideological than pragmatic; she is much more willing to take what she can get and find common ground.

He had little stomach for the tough part of foreign policy; she has been willing to be much more engaged (like most past presidents).

He looks good in a suit, but it is a fair criticism that it is a mostly empty one; she has been (ridiculously) criticized for how she looks, but there is a lot of substance there.

Ah the re-writing of history starts anew each day for Republicans.

Obama's difficulties with congress have all come from the Republican side. The most obstructionist do-nothing congress of all time. Obama is not responsible for the 50 times congress has abandoned all useful business to try to undo Obamacare. The only consistent policy was "if Obama is for it we're against it. And if it is good law and will help people, but he will get credit, we will kill people to block it." right up to the present where they are allowing a catastrophically harmful epidemic (Zika) to spread unchecked just to block him.



Hillary's success will depend on getting a democratic majority else it will be more of the same anti-scientific anti-sense denial of global climate change &c.


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Gee whiz rube, I was going to congratulate you for managing to go a couple of days without posting anything toe curlingly stupid, but I see you're back in form...

You and Trump seem to have about the same amount of ability in this regard...(one of the many things you have in common; like your regard for factual accuracy...)

Two days is pretty much the limit both of you have for avoiding saying something completely ignorant and idiotic...

Pretty much what can be expected from an imbecile who is such a toadying delusional shill that he actually believes that Vladimir Putin's behavior demonstrates respect for President Dolittle...

About the only way Putin could show less respect for Obama than he has is if he followed him into the men's room and gave him a swirly....