California professor reportedly rips down Sept. 11 memorial posters
Published September 09, 2016
Students at a southern California community college say campus leaders canceled a Sept. 11 memorial and a professor tore down "Never Forget" remembrance posters.
A conservative group of students at Saddleback College in Mission Viejo released video footage Thursday of a history professor ripping down posters with images showing various terrorists acts and the words “Never Forget," according to the College Fix.
The video shows history professor Margot Lovett telling the students -- who are members of the Young Americans for Freedom group -- that they did not have permission to hang the posters.
Lovett, who is chairwoman of the history department, reportedly endorsed a statement in 2001 blaming U.S. imperialism for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Lovett moved to remove the posters after campus leaders tried to shut down the student group's previously approved 9/11 memorial, the website reported.
Kyle Chiu, a 21-year-old junior and the Young Americans for Freedom chapter’s vice chair, told The College Fix that school officials would not grant the club active status because they wanted to change some parts of the group’s bylaws.
On Friday, the school released a statement that read in part: "Saddleback College supports student clubs and their right to organize and exercise their freedom of speech. At the beginning of each academic year, in order to organize meetings and hold events, student clubs must go through an activation process that includes an orientation, the establishment of a club constitution and by-laws, and the appointment of a faculty adviser.
"As of today the students have not completed the requirements to form a club," the statement said.
If this horse's ass is indeed in charge of the history dept., she should be held accountable.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:50 pm
by rubato
"Saddle back college" ???
So one "professor", at a community college, tears down some posters and your panties are all in a twist about it? Out of the entire country?
Hey, have fun. Glad you've found something that will get your temperature above ambient.
Write a very sharply worded letter to the editor about it!
yrs,
rubato
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:36 pm
by Gob
A Texas mattress shop is to close after facing a backlash for a 9/11-themed advert described as "tasteless".
Miracle Mattress faced strong criticism after its "twin tower sale" offered every mattress sold on the anniversary of the attacks for the price of a smaller twin mattress.
In the clip, staff fall into two towers of mattress, knocking them over.
"We'll never forget," the presenter of the clip says in the now withdrawn advert.
Miracle Mattress owner Mike Bonanno said that "effective immediately, our Miracle Mattress store will be closed indefinitely", in a statement released on Friday.
"We will be silent through the 9/11 Anniversary to avoid any further distractions from a day of recognition and remembrance for the victims and their families."
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:25 am
by dales
rubato wrote:"Saddle back college" ???
So one "professor", at a community college, tears down some posters and your panties are all in a twist about it? Out of the entire country?
Hey, have fun. Glad you've found something that will get your temperature above ambient.
Write a very sharply worded letter to the editor about it!
yrs,
rubato
Go and gas a cat or two you misanthropic moron.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:35 am
by Gob
He cant help it Dales, people with Apergers syndrome find dealing with emotion very difficult.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:33 pm
by rubato
Here is a video of the professor taking down the posters and explaining why:
The facts are not at all as they were 'spun' in the OP. She took them down because they were plastered up willy-nilly in areas where there was no posting permitted and told the posters how to get their posters approved and where they could be legitimately posted.
The group are the Young America's Foundation a very rich conservative organization who did not bother to register as a student organization at that college. If any of them are students there is unknown.
The college has a perfect right not to have all of the exterior surfaces of the buildings plastered with decaying paper posters and to provide instead areas which can be maintained for that purpose.
the original story is pure spun Bullshit.
More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You dales
yrs,
rubato
*What are they doing with the extra $5.5 million a year? I stopped giving to a group with numbers like this because it smells of fraud.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:47 pm
by dales
Richard is our resident expert on cow dung, I bow to your superior knowledge on the subject.
Here she is in all her purple-haired glory!
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:36 pm
by Lord Jim
Gee, if rube would just put a fraction of that much effort into fact checking his own posts, just think of how much less erroneous crap would wind up getting posted...
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:49 am
by dales
One can always hope, Jim.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:15 am
by Bicycle Bill
Never trust anyone with a hair color (or hairstyle) not found in nature. -"BB"-
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:24 am
by Econoline
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me...but when I saw that photo I immediately thought of THIS:
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:18 pm
by wesw
that ain t nuthin'
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:56 pm
by Burning Petard
Just as any one can sue any one else for anything and go to court to prove the case one way or another, cops can issue a citation for disorderly conduct, or disturbing the peace, for very trivial actions. This has long been a big cash cow for small towns. Arrest people for slight action. Then they have to show up in court to defend them selves. "The People" reschedule the hearing severals times for arcane reasons known only to the lawyers until the accused finally get sick of taking time off from work for this nonsense. Then the court can issue various fines for failing to show and the whole thing escalates.
Our current culture in most parts of the USofA desires cops like this guy. Police (and judges) who do not interpret the law, who just enforce the law as written. Once upon a time this was covered by the phrase "a good German" and it was an insult.
snailgate
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:52 pm
by BoSoxGal
People have a right to go about their business without being harassed by jerks like those two. Most states do have disorderly conduct laws which limit one's freedom to yell curse words or fighting words at others. The cops in that video conducted themselves admirably (as much as I could stomach watching) and the videographer should take his arguments to court where they belong - if he really only said anus/penis he'll probably win, but I'm guessing there is more context.
If he doesn't like the disorderly statute in general, take that up with the legislature.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:02 pm
by Burning Petard
I see nothing in this video about anybody being harassed, just offended.
It is now an important inalienable human right in many communities to live out ones life, and never be offended. One's personal self-esteem is so precious and yet so fragile.
Please note the kerfuffle at the University of Chicago this year when they sent out a letter to incoming freshman that there was no warranty that 'trigger warnings' would be universal.
snailgate
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:14 pm
by rubato
Burning Petard wrote:Just as any one can sue any one else for anything and go to court to prove the case one way or another, cops can issue a citation for disorderly conduct, or disturbing the peace, for very trivial actions. This has long been a big cash cow for small towns. Arrest people for slight action. Then they have to show up in court to defend them selves. "The People" reschedule the hearing severals times for arcane reasons known only to the lawyers until the accused finally get sick of taking time off from work for this nonsense. Then the court can issue various fines for failing to show and the whole thing escalates.
Our current culture in most parts of the USofA desires cops like this guy. Police (and judges) who do not interpret the law, who just enforce the law as written. Once upon a time this was covered by the phrase "a good German" and it was an insult.
snailgate
An officer cannot arrest anyone unless the peace of a citizen has been disturbed. By definition an officer's peace cannot be disturbed so there has to have been a complaint from a citizen.
yrs,
rubato
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:26 pm
by Big RR
Ordinarily in this sort of prosecution, there is no citizen filing the complaint or testifying; the officer merely states the accused was acting in a certain way (threatening, etc.) that disturbed other people or was likely to do so, and the officer will file the complaint and testify as to what (s)he saw. If they had to rely on a private citizen filing a complaint and appearing in court there would be far less of these cases because, unless the conduct is particularly egregious or the person offended wants to make a point, most people wouldn't want to be bothered enough to do either of those things.
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:39 pm
by Bicycle Bill
Actually, it is NOT against the law to offend someone and the tenets of freedom of speech does protect offensive and unpopular speech (with a few specific exceptions), and the sooner people realize this and come to terms with it the better off we all will be. Certain speech may be against a corporate or campus policy, but that's something else again.
Basically, the guy with the camera kept badgering the officer and let him dig himself into a hole with his own tongue. What the officer should have done, and what all officers should be trained to do, is to give the barest minimum of facts necessary to do the task at hand. Telling the man that he was being cited for offensive speech or disturbing the peace should have been sufficient. Do not get into a debate with someone, especially someone who has obviously come prepared (and let's face it; that video just smells of a planned encounter and confrontation). If the guy wants to argue with someone about what constitutes offensive speech at any given time or venue, he can take that up with the judge. -"BB"-
Re: More Idiocy From A College Campus Near You
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:12 pm
by Big RR
Bill--it depends what you mean by offend; certainly one can pretty much say whatever one wants in a public place, unless it becomes threatening to a particular individual or individuals, or is viewed as speech inciting people to start a riot or encouraging illegal activities in a crowd. And also one may not freely disrupt activities (from blocking people on the sidewalk or street too running onto the football field during a game). But just using crude or offensive language rarely rises to this level.
And I agree, the cop should just have given him the citation and not tried to defend or explain it.
