Plan B Forum

holly is 33 she has never voted. she will be voting.

my mother has not voted since carter s first run. I am taking her to the polls on the 8th.

I believe that the unpolled masses would have handed the victory to trump anyway, without the latest revelations.

gen x rising.....

we want to build things, we want to make things, we want to grow things. we want to fix things.

we don t want big brother on our ass.

insurance and regulation in today s America is mafia-like extortion and control

we don t want a service economy.

we don t want to be servants and we especially don t want our children to be servants.

we will vote.

we will vote for revolution...,

....political revolution, as was designed into our system.

you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette.....

we expect violence from Move on . org, the BLM and other unseemly sorts.

George soros will not except defeat gracefully..., the new black panthers (aka-the nation of islam), will not be graceful in defeat.

I , personally, am afraid for my family s safety..., but the trump sign remains nonetheless.....

liberty trumps safety.

but what do I know? I m just a simple fisherman.....

anecdotal hallucinations

Fixed

maybe....

....but if I can see something..., something that you can t see.....

....it isn t necessarily a hallucination. it may just be beyond your ken.

you surely know and see things of which I am unaware..., that doesn t make those things less real, only beyond my ken....

unless you showed me these things and I was open enough to except new things, they would remain beyond my ken and I would remain ignorant of the knowledge which you tried to impart to me.

six of one, half-dozen of the other....

wesw wrote:you surely know and see things of which I am unaware..., that doesn t make those things less real, only beyond my ken....

unless you showed me these things and I was open enough to except new things, they would remain beyond my ken and I would remain ignorant of the knowledge which you tried to impart to me.

They're also beyond your Barbie®.



Go back to your room and play with your dolls and your toy trains.

-"BB"-

I don t have any dolls or toy trains....

I do have one , old, pre war , pressed tin, caboose...

but I lost the gondola yrs ago....

It's pretty abhorrent in my book to not bother voting as your family has. However in the case of your family, I could be persuaded to rethink that position. Why don't y'all sit out this one, too?


FYI it's not beyond my grasp to see that anybody voting for this scumbag Trump has to harbor bigotry in his/her heart. People who abhor bigotry would never be able to hold their noses and overlook who he is EVEN if they foolishly believed he gave a shit about them.

Only bigots of some degree are voting for Donald J. Trump.

Rx for wesw.



BTDT

FYI it's not beyond my grasp to see that anybody voting for this scumbag Trump has to harbor bigotry in his/her heart. People who abhor bigotry would never be able to hold their noses and overlook who he is EVEN if they foolishly believed he gave a shit about them.

Only bigots of some degree are voting for Donald J. Trump.

Way to cast a wide net.


Lets go the other way. How many are voting for Hillary just because she is female? Are they sexists?

I really doubt whether anyone is voting for Hillary *JUST* because she's female, without also agreeing with some or most of her policy proposals. Do you know anyone like that? I don't.

Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe other people's values are very different from mine. Could be why I'm so terribly disappointed at this stage in my life by just about everything.

But yeah, I believe if you are willing to vote for a bigot, it's because some part of you IS a bigot. Trump has been a bigot all his life, the evidence is very well established. He actively discriminated against n****** at the start of his career decades ago and was sued for it; he has said absolutely despicable things about black people and their communities repeatedly at his rallies and in the debates. He waged a war of character assasination against our first black President. That ALONE is reason to not allow him near the dogcatcher's office, much less the WH.

Forget all the women he's groped or raped or just disrespected. Forget the plethora of other reasons he's absolutely unfit for the office.

He's a bigot. People who vote for a bigot are tolerant of bigotry and to my mind, that's bigotry. Call me simple-minded if you will.

Econoline wrote:I really doubt whether anyone is voting for Hillary *JUST* because she's female, without also agreeing with some or most of her policy proposals. Do you know anyone like that? I don't.

I think I read early on that was someones view here. They may have expanded (or I could be mistaken). But I am willing to bet there are many out there for lack of any other reason they will vote for her because she is female.
Hillary even gave them a shout out some time ago "isn't it time for a woman to be preeesssident?"

from over the summer

I think that there are going to be many Republican women in the privacy of the voting booth who will pull the lever for Hillary because 1) Trump is INSANE, 2) Hillary is a WOMAN, 3) It's about fucking time!

and

To clarify, the "it's their time" is not about Hillary specifically, but about having a female President.

Yeah, that was me and I stand by those words.

I didn't vote for Susan Collins as Maine Senstor just because she was a woman, I voted against her terrible policy positions.

But yeah, I think in THIS showdown of rapist/racist candidate v. woman candidate, that's probably going to be reason enough for many people.

If you were paying attention you know that I voted AGAINST Clinton and FOR Bernie, so I *think* that context should help you figure out my views?

Forget all the women he's groped or raped or just disrespected.

why not, a lot of people did that with Bill Clinton. I know I did in 96--not a worthwhile 3rd party candidate as I recall. I wasn't proud of myself, but you have to do what makes the best sense.

Look, I voted for Nader in 2000 and I honestly didn't think he'd make all that good a president--but I wanted to make a statement to the democratic party (one they have repeatedly ignored). I personally think Trump is still too much of a loose cannon to vote for--but I understand supporting positions even if you don't like the candidate. And I think at least some Trump supporters are like my friend and are trying to be heard. I hope they are not, but I understand the desire.

Thanks for giving us W.

Yep Illinois went red that year because of ol Econo.

Nope--gore won my state so my vote didn't count at all in the outcome (except maybe to remind the dems that those on the left are not automatically in their pockets). But as I have said many times on this board, I admit I made a mistake in assessing how bad a president W would be. I am more careful now in considering 3rd party candidates vs the opposition candidate(s), but I will still vote third party on occasion--if this election was against Kasich I might consider voting for Stein (I really can't say as I have not had the opportunity to look at his opinions over the campaign), but I won't with Trump as the other nominee.

Stein is a hack that makes Nader look like a saint

Well, I don't think so. But again, if I voted for her I would not expect her to win.

Sorry but I blame all Nader voters whether their vote 'mattered' or not. On that theory I should go vote Bernie as a write-in because Hillary has Massachusetts locked up. I take a more responsible approach to voting when the stakes are so fantastically high.

YMMV, and obviously does.

I really can't stomach any more apologies of Trump supporters who are ALL fucked in the head, IMHO. Any intelligent person with half a clue about how our system works should realize that Trump as a protest vote is stupid and dangerous. Sorry Big RR, but your friend is in the basket.

To clarify, in part because Pence is a Trojan horse and WAY more dangerous in some ways than even Trump.

Trump voters are reckless bigot-enablers, if not bigots themselves. Period. They hate women, or at least have zero respect for us, which is basically the same. There is NO excuse.

I'm gonna bow out until next Wednesday.

In a normal year I would say if you live in a "safe" state vote whoever it might even give rise to a valid third party. This year however there needs to be a message against trump and his ilk not to mention his supporters are mobilized and the risk is far too great. This country can survive bad presidents I am not so sure it can survive a demagogue.