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Worthless Red states

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:41 am
by liberty
Celebrity chef and self-described “privileged Eastern liberal” Anthony Bourdain slammed his fellow leftist elites this week, arguing that their disdain for working-class Americans helped create “the upswell of rage and contempt” that propelled Donald Trump to the presidency.

“The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we’re seeing now,” Bourdain said in an interview with Reason magazine.

“I’ve spent a lot of time in gun-country, God-fearing America,” Bourdain continued. “There are a hell of a lot of nice people out there, who are doing what everyone else in this world is trying to do: the best they can to get by and take care of themselves and the people they love. When we deny them their basic humanity and legitimacy of their views, however different they may be than ours, when we mock them at every turn and treat them with contempt, we do no one any good.”

A professional chef turned author turned television personality, Bourdain has spent the last decade-plus traveling throughout the United States and the world as the host of his own culinary and cultural TV shows, first at the Food Network and more recently, at CNN.

Bourdain, who is a New York City native and an outspoken critic of the president-elect, said he thinks “the rise of authoritarianism” is a “global trend and one that should be of concern to everyone.” Still, he argued, the belittling or dismissive attitudes of his peers toward Trump’s supporters is counterproductive.

“The self-congratulatory tone of the privileged left — just repeating and repeating and repeating the outrages of the opposition — this does not win hearts and minds,” Bourdain said. “It doesn’t change anyone’s opinions. It only solidifies them and makes things worse for all of us.”

He added, “We should be breaking bread with each other and finding common ground whenever possible.”

Worthless Red States

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:55 pm
by RayThom
It sounds like Bourdain is setting himself up as a 2020 presidential candidate. "A chicken in every pot..."

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:22 pm
by Econoline
One misconception that the Electoral College reinforces is the myth that there are "red states" and "blue states". There aren't. Every state has a mix of Democrats and Republicans, sometimes living in close proximity to each other, and despite what some NYC and DC elites may think we DO generally manage to get along out here in the real world. (BTW "flyover country" is another cliche I despise.) Even in your own supposedly deep-red Louisiana, liberty, 38.4% of the Presidential vote went to Hillary Clinton; even in my own supposedly dark-blue Illinois, 38.8% went to Trump. Sure, there are numerous geographic pockets of hard-core conservatism and liberalism, but none of those pockets are anywhere as large as an entire state let alone an entire region. Within a few particular cities or counties there may be more homogeneity (left or right) of political opinion, but compared to the overall population of the US those are the exceptions, not the rule. (Since Bourdain has traveled extensively throughout the US, he should already know this. I guess maybe he's speaking mainly to his fellow upper-class Manhattanites?)

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:14 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I guess maybe he's speaking mainly to his fellow upper-class Manhattanites?)
That's the way I took it.
And he has a point however the demographics play out.
Too many times I heard the disparaging words toward someone elses opinion/views and all it does it push that someone to dig in their heels.
And how the election went is the result.

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:49 pm
by Long Run
Econoline wrote: Every state has a mix of Democrats and Republicans, sometimes living in close proximity to each other, and despite what some NYC and DC elites may think we DO generally manage to get along out here in the real world.
True enough, but the below kind of humorous maps do capture the break down in a striking way:

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Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:45 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Looks like they have nassau county going for Clinton. I thought I read nassau went for Trump as did suffolk county.
:shrug

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:30 pm
by Bicycle Bill
I printed out both maps on thinner-than-usual paper and laid one over the top of the other, then held them up to a light.  There were still quite a number of areas that weren't colored in.  Are those supposed to be the areas that went to Jill Stein or the other down-ballot candidates?

Nice looking maps and all that, but I think the basic premise is still flawed.
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-"BB"-

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 pm
by Guinevere
oldr_n_wsr wrote:Looks like they have nassau county going for Clinton. I thought I read nassau went for Trump as did suffolk county.
:shrug
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

And that is how misinformation becomes "fact."

It took me less than 30 seconds to find the correct information: HRC won Nassau 51-45 percent.
https://www.nassaucountyny.gov/571/Election-Results

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:02 am
by Econoline
Again, those maps don't tell the whole story. I like this one a little more (explanation here):
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...but I don't know if it's possible to draw a map that clearly makes the point that I wanted to make in my earlier post.

Bill's observation (that overlaying the two maps that LR posted leaves quite a number of areas blank) is relevant because there were 14 states in which NEITHER Clinton nor Trump got 50% of the vote; each of those maps shows ONLY areas where either Clinton or Trump got OVER 51%. In fact, if you look at the green areas on those two maps--areas where neither candidate got more than 60% of the popular vote--there are *38* states which fit into that category! In other words, more than three-fourths of the states contain a minority of 40%--or more--of voters who disagreed with their states' majority. 40% is a pretty sizable minority, and, more importantly, 38 states is a pretty sizable number of states...and obviously, most of those states are not on the coasts.

Re: Worthless Red states

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:51 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Guinevere wrote:
oldr_n_wsr wrote:Looks like they have nassau county going for Clinton. I thought I read nassau went for Trump as did suffolk county.
:shrug
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

And that is how misinformation becomes "fact."

It took me less than 30 seconds to find the correct information: HRC won Nassau 51-45 percent.
https://www.nassaucountyny.gov/571/Election-Results
Never stated it as fact nor tried to mis-inform.
The portion "I thought I read..." should have given that away.
And the :shrug icon I put in as an "I don't know", another tip off.

But thanks for the link.
:mrgreen: