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Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:17 pm
by dales
The idea “conjures images of Japanese internment camps and mass deportations of Mexican immigrants under President Eisenhower,” Sen. Kamala Harris, a California Democrat, said in a statement.
Kamala, dumb as a box of rocks! :lol:

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:05 pm
by rubato
The daughter of Fred Korematsu agrees with her.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/opin ... ights.html
When Lies Overruled Rights

By KAREN KOREMATSU FEB. 17, 2017

When President Trump signed an executive order temporarily banning travel from seven majority Muslim countries, he hurled us back to one of the darkest and most shameful chapters of American history. Executive orders that go after specific groups under the guise of protecting the American people are not only unconstitutional, but morally wrong. My father, and so many other Americans of Japanese descent, were targets of just such an order during World War II.

Seventy-five years ago on Sunday, under President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Executive Order 9066, all people of Japanese ancestry living on the West Coast were forced to leave their homes and report to incarceration camps. Two-thirds were American citizens. Fred Korematsu, my father, then 23, refused to go. A proud and loyal citizen, he had tried to enlist in the National Guard but was rejected and was wrongly fired from his job as a welder in an Oakland, Calif., shipyard He was arrested and tried for defying the executive order. Upon conviction, he was held in a horse stall at a hastily converted racetrack until he and his family were moved to a desolate camp in Topaz, Utah. My father told me later that jail was better than the camp.

He appealed his conviction to the Supreme Court. In his case, and in cases brought by Minoru Yasui and Gordon Hirabayashi — among the most infamous cases in American legal history — the court in 1944 upheld the executive order. Justice Frank Murphy vehemently opposed the majority decision, writing in a dissenting opinion, “Racial discrimination in any form and in any degree has no justifiable part whatever in our democratic way of life.” In the hysteria of war and racialized propaganda, my father’s citizenship did not protect him. For him and the 120,000 other Japanese-Americans incarcerated during World War II, there was no attempt to sort the loyal from the disloyal.

In 1982, almost 40 years after my father’s conviction, evidence was discovered proving that the wartime government suppressed, altered and destroyed material evidence while arguing my father’s, Yasui’s and Hirabayashi’s cases before the Supreme Court. The government’s claims that people of Japanese descent had engaged in espionage and that mass incarceration was necessary to protect the country were not only false, but had even been refuted by the government’s own agencies, including the Office of Naval Intelligence, the F.B.I. and the Federal Communications Commission.

With that evidence, my father reopened his case. In November 1983, he stood before a Federal District Court judge, Marilyn Hall Patel, and said, “As long as my record stands in federal court, any American citizen can be held in prison or concentration camps without a trial or a hearing.” Judge Patel overturned my father’s conviction, declaring that his case “stands as a caution that in times of distress the shield of military necessity and national security must not be used to protect governmental actions from close scrutiny and accountability.”


Around that time, the federal Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians declared that the Korematsu case had been “overruled in the court of history” and found that my father’s incarceration was based on “race prejudice, war hysteria and a failure of political leadership.”

Although his conviction was vacated, my father was keenly aware that his case was never formally overturned, even though it was widely discredited by scholars and even the courts. He was a quiet, soft-spoken man, but he spent the rest of his life speaking around the country about the government misconduct that led to incarceration, in hopes of preventing it from occurring again. In 1998, President Bill Clinton awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom for the brave stand he took against an unjust government action.

In 1991, President George H. W. Bush declared, “The internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry was a great injustice, and it will never be repeated.” But it can happen again. Since my father’s death in 2005, I have taken on his work to remind Americans what happens when our Constitution is ignored in the name of national security. We need to scrutinize Mr. Trump’s executive orders and any other attempts to single out groups for repression. Let us come together to reject discrimination based on religion, race or national origin, and to oppose the mass deportation of people who look or pray differently from the majority of Americans.

“Stand up for what is right,” my father said. “Protest, but not with violence. Don’t be afraid to speak up. One person can make a difference, even if it takes 40 years.”


yrs,
rubato

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:05 am
by dales
rubato wrote:The daughter of Fred Korematsu agrees with her.


rubato
She must have slept through history class, as well.

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:01 am
by rubato
Her father was a primary source.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:16 am
by datsunaholic
dales wrote:
rubato wrote:The daughter of Fred Korematsu agrees with her.


rubato
She must have slept through history class, as well.
You're misinterpreting the statement, I think. It's 2 separate cases:
The idea “conjures images of Japanese internment camps

and mass deportations of Mexican immigrants under President Eisenhower,”
She isn't saying the Japanese were interred under Eisenhower. It comes down to how someone transcribed the statement in leaving out a comma.

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:06 am
by dales
No.
The idea “conjures images of Japanese internment camps and mass deportations of Mexican immigrants under President Eisenhower,” Sen. Kamala Harris, a California Democrat, said in a statement.
I LIKE IKE........................ Did IKE deport as many as Obama?

I don't believe so.

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:34 am
by Econoline
I read the statement in the OP the same way datsunaholic did; it just makes more sense that way. As for the piece by Karen Korematsu (did you read it, or even glance at it, Dale?), she's obviously writing about only the Japanese internments, which she clearly states started 75 years ago this Sunday with an executive order signed by FDR.

The mass deportation of Mexicans under Eisenhower ("Operation Wetback") is probably less well-known than FDR's WW2 internment camps (which is probably why Harris added the modifier "under Eisenhower" to that noun, but didn't add "under Roosevelt" to the first one)--but it's probably a better comparison to the current ICE deportations, which are also primarily affecting Mexicans.



ETA: Yes, I believe you are right about Obama deporting more people than Ike.

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:07 pm
by Lord Jim
ETA: Yes, I believe you are right about Obama deporting more people than Ike.
This is one of the funny things about the latest ICE illegal alien round-up...

For once Trump could honestly make claims about unfair press coverage and be accurate, but we don't hear a peep out of him...

The mainstream news media has been giving big prominence to this latest series of raids, and portraying them as though they were a result of Trump's policies, when in fact they were planned long before he was inaugurated, and they were a regular feature of Obama's Presidency for eight years, (with very little press coverage.)

If he wanted to, Trump could say, "Look at what the unfair fake news media is doing to me. They're covering these ICE raids like I was responsible for them, even though they were planned a long time ago, and Obama deported more people than any President in history, and they hardly ever talked about it..."

But of course he's good with this false impression, because it plays into his narrative about what a hard ass he is on immigration...

Re: Speaking Of ICE Deportations....

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:33 pm
by Econoline
It's certainly ironic that Obama was criticized--hell, he's STILL being criticized--simultaneously from the left for deporting too many illegal immigrants and from the right for deporting too few of them. Of course, being a bleeding-heart liberal myself, I tend to be more sympathetic to the leftist point of view...but as a general rule of thumb when a politician is being attacked from both sides of the political spectrum he's usually doing something right. ;)

BTW, I've long said that the best political description of Obama would be to call him an "Eisenhower Republican"...and this is further evidence of that.