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This allegation is by far the most extraordinary one ever leveled against a U.S. President. Nixon was accused of covering up a burglary; Reagan, of running illegal arms deals to funnel covert money to insurgents. Never before has there been the suggestion that a sitting president has actually been suborned by a foreign power, much less that this foreign power actively worked to install him in office.

The information the public has so far is very damning against some Trump aides (such as Flynn), potentially very damning against others (such as Manafort), and is “circumstantial but intriguing” with respect to the core allegation. What needs to happen next is an open and public investigation of these matters: specifically, of the conduct of Michael Flynn, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump, and their other allies and associates with respect to illegal payments from the Russian government.

From Russia With Love

liberty wrote:Is it against the law to talk to the Russians?

liberty wrote:Remember when Bill Clinton’s campaign took money from the Chinese; was that ever investigated?

liberty wrote:Don’t foreigners donate money to American politicians, isn’t that interfering in American elections.

liberty wrote:Are you guys hypocrites?

Is it against the law to talk to the Russians?

Joe Guy wrote:Were the Chinese government and Bill Clinton's Administration being investigated for attempts to tamper with our election and cause George HW Bush to lose the election?

I must have missed that...

Econoline wrote:

liberty wrote:quote]Quite likely; isn't everyone at least a little bit hypocritical about something?

Remember when people in Britain where writing letters to people in red states trying to persuade them not to vote for GW.

Dick Cheney: Russian Election Interference Possibly ‘Act of War’

Former Vice President Dick Cheney says Russia's alleged interference in the U.S. presidential election could be interpreted by some as an "act of war."

"There was a very serious effort made by Mr. Putin and his government, his organization, to interfere in major ways with our basic, fundamental democratic processes," Cheney said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin. "In some quarters that would be considered an act of war."

"I would not underestimate the weight that we, as Americans, assign to the Russian attempts to interfere with our internal political processes," Cheney said.

Cheney's statement comes at a time when both the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives intelligence committees are investigating alleged Russian meddlin in the election that brought President Donald Trump to power.

U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia conducted a covert hacking operation to undermine the U.S. election process, which evolved into an attempt to help Trump win the White House. They also believe with "a high level of confidence" that Putin became personally involved in the campaign to interfere in the election.

Cheney's comments came up in the context of him speaking about the changing nature of the U.S. -Russia relationship being a threat to U.S. security and globalization.

In his speech to the Economic Times Global Business Summit in the Indian city of New Delhi on Monday, Cheney listed off some of Putin's recent actions as examples of how he believes Russia is flexing its muscles as a global power.

George W. Bush's vice president said he believes Putin "has designs on the Baltics … We know he wanted Crimea, he took it. Has aspirations in respect to Ukraine and is doing everything he can to find ways to undermine NATO."

Lord Jim wrote:

Remember when people in Britain where writing letters to people in red states trying to persuade them not to vote for GW.

I have no problem seeing the huge difference between individual private citizens of foreign countries expressing their personal opinions of the candidates in a US Presidential campaign, (whether you agree with those opinions or not) and a coordinated effort by a hostile regime utilizing the full power of the state to engage in wholesale election interference by hacking thousands of emails from one party's national committee and one candidates senior campaign staff, and then selectively releasing these stolen emails over the course of the campaign in an effort to affect the result.

Here's somebody else who has no problem seeing that difference:

Dick Cheney: Russian Election Interference Possibly ‘Act of War’

Former Vice President Dick Cheney says Russia's alleged interference in the U.S. presidential election could be interpreted by some as an "act of war."

"There was a very serious effort made by Mr. Putin and his government, his organization, to interfere in major ways with our basic, fundamental democratic processes," Cheney said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin. "In some quarters that would be considered an act of war."

"I would not underestimate the weight that we, as Americans, assign to the Russian attempts to interfere with our internal political processes," Cheney said.

Cheney's statement comes at a time when both the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives intelligence committees are investigating alleged Russian meddlin in the election that brought President Donald Trump to power.

U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia conducted a covert hacking operation to undermine the U.S. election process, which evolved into an attempt to help Trump win the White House. They also believe with "a high level of confidence" that Putin became personally involved in the campaign to interfere in the election.

Cheney's comments came up in the context of him speaking about the changing nature of the U.S. -Russia relationship being a threat to U.S. security and globalization.

In his speech to the Economic Times Global Business Summit in the Indian city of New Delhi on Monday, Cheney listed off some of Putin's recent actions as examples of how he believes Russia is flexing its muscles as a global power.

George W. Bush's vice president said he believes Putin "has designs on the Baltics … We know he wanted Crimea, he took it. Has aspirations in respect to Ukraine and is doing everything he can to find ways to undermine NATO."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-h ... ar-n739391

In his speech to the Economic Times Global Business Summit in the Indian city of New Delhi on Monday,

So yes, good on you, DickieC, but it wasn't your original thought.

Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, on Friday announced new charges against 12 Russian intelligence officers accused of hacking the Democratic National Committee, the Clinton presidential campaign and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The announcement came just a few days before President Trump is expected to meet with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Helsinki, Finland.

The 11-count indictment includes charges of conspiracy by the Russian intelligence officials against the United States, money laundering and attempts to break into state boards of elections and other government agencies.

The indictment is part of the special counsel’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.

More WITCHES hunted down.

Lord Jim wrote:

More WITCHES hunted down.

Yeah, 12 at one go...

If they had managed to get one more, they could have nailed a whole coven in one fell swoop...

• "Your average witch is not, by nature, a social animal as far as other witches are concerned.  There's a conflict of dominant personalities.  There's a group of ringleaders without a ring.  There's a basic unwritten rule of witchcraft which is 'Don't do what you will, do what I say'.  The natural size of a coven is one.  Witches only get together when they can't avoid it."