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Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:09 pm
by Lord Jim
Trump reverses course in 24 hours from Nato to China to Fed

US President Donald Trump has reversed course in the space of 24 hours on an array of populist positions he adopted during the election campaign.

He declared Nato was "no longer obsolete" and dropped his pledge to declare China a currency manipulator.

Mr Trump also said he was no longer opposed to a federal exports agency he once dismissed as "unnecessary".

And the president signalled he was open to reappointing Janet Yellen as head of the Federal Reserve.


The about-faces suggest the mercurial Mr Trump may be favouring a more pragmatic, moderate approach to the hardline economic nationalism that helped elect him.

The startling series of flip-flops come amid reports of a titanic White House power struggle between chief strategist Steve Bannon and senior adviser Jared Kushner.

According to the Washington rumour mill, Mr Bannon - the former Breitbart News executive - has been sidelined after falling out with the president's son-in-law, Mr Kushner.

China no longer a currency manipulator

Mr Trump's decision not to label China a "currency manipulator" emerged in an interview with the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday.

That U-turn follows his talks last week with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Mr Trump repeatedly pledged to label Beijing a "currency manipulator" on his first day in office, during an election campaign when he also accused the Asian powerhouse of "raping" the US.

But experts said a formal declaration to that effect by the Treasury Department could have led to US sanctions, which would have prompted retaliation from Beijing.

Trump now 'respects' Fed chairwoman

Mr Trump's last campaign ad depicted Janet Yellen, head of the Federal Reserve, as a member of a shadowy globalist cabal "who control the levers of power in Washington".

On Wednesday, he told the Wall Street Journal he "respects" the US central bank chief.

He also indicated he might consider reappointing her next year, saying she would not be "toast".

Mr Trump was once highly critical of the Fed, saying its low interest rate policy had hurt savers. Now he says he likes "a low-interest rate policy".

Federal hiring freeze dropped

On his first working day in office, Mr Trump signed a presidential memorandum to suspend hiring of non-military federal workers, in a move that delighted small government conservatives.

The order mandated that "no vacant positions… may be filled and no new positions may be created".

But that policy was gone on Wednesday. White House budget director Mick Mulvaney said: "It does not mean that the agencies will be free to hire willy-nilly."

He said they were "replacing it with a smarter plan, a more strategic plan, a more surgical plan".
Export-Import Bank no longer 'unnecessary'

In the Wall Street Journal interview, the president praised the Export-Import Bank, which he dismissed in August last year as an "unnecessary" agency with "a lot of excess baggage".

The bank, which provides taxpayer-backed loans for the purchase of US exports, is accused by conservatives of corporate cronyism and welfare.

Now he plans to fill two vacancies on its board.

"It turns out that, first of all," Mr Trump told the Journal, "lots of small companies are really helped."

Now a fan of Nato

Mr Trump repeatedly questioned the military alliance's purpose during the campaign.

But as he hosted Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the White House on Wednesday, the US president said the threat of terrorism had underlined the alliance's importance.

"I said it [Nato] was obsolete," Mr Trump said. "It's no longer obsolete."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39591032

Now, of course, Trump being Trump, he's had to give horseshit self-congratulatory explanations for all of this...

He claims with brazen dishonesty that NATO, thanks to him, is now engaged in fighting terrorism, (something it has been doing for decades) and he sent Baghdad Sean out to falsely assert that all of these changes are a result of these people and institutions moving closer to his positions... (Janet Yellen and the Import/Export Bank aren't doing anything differently today then they were two months ago.)

And he is certainly deserving of criticism for that...

And it's also worth pointing out, that Trump being Trump, he might chuck these new positions next week, or completely undermine them with idiotic tweets at any moment...

And of course, Trump being Trump, his motives always have to remain suspect...

But all of that having been said, for the moment at least, I am going to applaud these changes...

As I've made very clear, I believe Trump is completely unfit for the Presidency, and every moment he stays in office is a bad and dangerous one for America...

But that doesn't change the fact that for now, he is President, and any time he flips from an ignorant fantasy-based position that is destructive to to the well being of the nation, and flops instead to a more rational fact-based position, this is A Good Thing for the country, and it shouldn't get one labeled a "Trump Fan" to acknowledge this...

When Trump takes a measured military response to a chemical attack in Syria, in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

When Trump finally realizes the value of the US Import/Export bank, in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

When Trump stops talking about leaving NATO and instead expresses firm support for it, (even if he dishonestly takes credit for something he deserves no credit for) in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

When Trump signs off on expanding NATO in the face Russian aggression, in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

When Trump stops accusing the Chair of the Fed of being a political tool and instead praises her, in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

When Trump decides to prioritize getting Chinese help to deal with North Korea over a confrontation with them about currency, in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

When Trump puts knowledgeable, capable people into important positions and decides to listen to them, (something he has far from a perfect record on) in my view this is A Good Thing, and I'm going to say so...

In fact, I hope I have more opportunities to be able to express approval of Trump policy and behavior changes...

And if that gets me labeled a "Trump fan" by some, well TFB... 8-)

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:18 pm
by Big RR
Well I'll agree with you Jim on applauding (or endorsing) the policies that do appear right coming from the administration, although I do not think they are coming from Trump, I think they are coming from his handlers who have found a way to (temporarily I'll bet) reign him in and put forth policies that at least aren't insane. I don't agree with everything in your list, but I do think this reigning in of the egomaniac is a good thing, even though I earnestly await Trump's ouster.

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:05 pm
by Sue U
What irritates me the most is that Trump's policy "successes" outlined above are nothing more than his new handlers cleaning up his own idiotic blunders. Trump has spent two years and more declaring his position on any given subject as "X," and now two months into his administration he declares his position to be "the exact opposite of X." And none of it has actually achieved anything -- other than fawning punditry and stroking of Trump's ginormous ego by a lapdog media which itself suffers from ADD.

This whole system is completely dysfunctional and being run by retarded baboons, apparently.

Gah.

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:25 pm
by Lord Jim
I don't agree with everything in your list
Hence my use of the phrase, "in my view"... 8-)
I think they are coming from his handlers who have found a way to (temporarily I'll bet) reign him in
I strongly suspect you're right about that...

I remember back during the campaign, there were a couple of stretches of a week or two where Trump would act like less of a toxic idiot, and even though his poll numbers would go up during those periods, (which you would think would have taught him something) his fundamental nature was such that he just couldn't help himself from reverting to form...
nothing more than his new handlers cleaning up his own idiotic blunders. Trump has spent two years and more declaring his position on any given subject as "X," and now two months into his administration he declares his position to be "the exact opposite of X.
A large part of this is the incredibly low bar Trump manages to operate with...

"Oh thank God, the POTUS no longer wants to blow up the NATO alliance..."

Not wanting to blow up the NATO alliance would have been considered pretty much a "given" with any other President... :?
I earnestly await Trump's ouster.
As do I...

But for the moment we're stuck with him, and low bar or no, the country is better off with a President who doesn't want to blow up the NATO alliance then we would be with one who did... (Or any of the other things that would just be taken for granted with any other President)

But one of the points I'm making is that just because you express agreement with and/or approval of some things that a person has said or done, that doesn't make you their "fan"...

Hell, I've expressed agreement with rubato many times over the years, but I don't think anyone would mistake me for being a "Rubato Fan"... :D

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:44 pm
by rubato
The only way to prove you are not a Trump Fan is to repudiate the Republican party; 90% of whose voters and nearly 100% of whose elected officials elected and actively support Trump.


yrs,
rubato

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:05 pm
by Sue U
Lord Jim wrote: A large part of this is the incredibly low bar Trump manages to operate with...

"Oh thank God, the POTUS no longer wants to blow up the NATO alliance..."

Not wanting to blow up the NATO alliance would have been considered pretty much a "given" with any other President... :?
I am sick to death of the press declaring that Trump has done something "decisive" or has "become presidential" when in reality all that has happened is for one moment he stopped acting like a petulant 4-year-old prone to temper tantrums and didn't royally fuck up the one task put in front of him. I don't think he deserves "praise" for managing to exhibit the barest minimum in executive competence (e.g., acknowledging that NATO is an important and valuable alliance).

In fact, "praise" for his use of military force will only encourage him to use it more frequently and with greater abandon as he seeks ever more approval to feed his boundless narcissism. Without continued and stringent "management" of President Toddler, it's not going to end well.

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:59 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
a President who doesn't want to blow up the NATO alliance
Maybe the rhetoric was just to get the others to pay up (monetarily and militarily) their fair share.
:shrug :mrgreen:

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:11 pm
by Big RR
But are they doing that? My bet is no. Indeed, I recall they have until 2020 to accomplish this.

and even if they were, I think you're giving him far to much credit to develop any semblance of a strategy.

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:34 am
by Guinevere
Sue U wrote:
Lord Jim wrote: A large part of this is the incredibly low bar Trump manages to operate with...

"Oh thank God, the POTUS no longer wants to blow up the NATO alliance..."

Not wanting to blow up the NATO alliance would have been considered pretty much a "given" with any other President... :?
I am sick to death of the press declaring that Trump has done something "decisive" or has "become presidential" when in reality all that has happened is for one moment he stopped acting like a petulant 4-year-old prone to temper tantrums and didn't royally fuck up the one task put in front of him. I don't think he deserves "praise" for managing to exhibit the barest minimum in executive competence (e.g., acknowledging that NATO is an important and valuable alliance).

In fact, "praise" for his use of military force will only encourage him to use it more frequently and with greater abandon as he seeks ever more approval to feed his boundless narcissism. Without continued and stringent "management" of President Toddler, it's not going to end well.
This X 2

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:39 am
by Econoline
(This X 2)²

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:40 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
The bottom line in all this is - do we want this president to fail? He has one job: to protect the constitution, which in general terms means to defend and promote the concept of a liberal democracy under which we try to effect the most good for the most people.

I want him to succeed. I don't think that he will if he continues as he has so far with the incompetents and outright saboteurs (exhibit A: Pruitt at USEPA) he has surrounded himself with. Because if he fails he can drag us all down with him, whether to an adventurist war, or to climate change, or through economic collapse, or global anarchy. Or all of the above. As an example, he wants employment for the huddled masses. He thinks he can do that by building a wall to keep out all those Mexicans who steal our jobs and abandoning EPA rules which give us clean(ish) air and water. If there are clearer heads around who can persuade him that in fact that action will not have the desired effect and that there is a better way, I don't really care if he takes credit for changing things in the same way that he fixed NATO. I want him to succeed, because my life and my family's lives and your lives and their lives are too important to me to want him to fail.

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:12 pm
by Guinevere
Dan Rather says it rather well (as usual):
There's a big difference between evolution and confusion.

Much has been made in recent days of President Trump's radical changes on key points from his campaign. Russia good to Russia bad. China bad to China good. Syria stay out to Syria go in. Healthcare first, to tax reform first, to healthcare first, again, maybe. Supposedly fighting for main street to now cozying up to Wall Street.

One could make the case that on some of these positions there is progress due to a more nuanced view of the world. Yes, the situation in North Korea is complicated, although it shouldn't have taken a short conversation with Chinese President Xi Jinping to come to that conclusion. A President admitting that he is getting his foreign policy advice from China does not inspire much confidence. “After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy,” Trump was quoted in the Wall Street Journal. “I felt pretty strongly that they had a tremendous power [over] North Korea. ... But it’s not what you would think.” Actually that is what a lot of people have thought - for decades. Just like health care isn't easy. Who knew?

The problem is that there is no sense that these changes, happening just weeks into Mr. Trump's term, are the result of anything but knee-jerk reaction. There has long been a belief that this President acts on the advice of the last person he talked to. Is that happening here? Can anyone say with any certainty that these new directions won't be spun around again in a week or month?
Being erratic is among the worst qualities a president can have. The world's stability depends on having some sense of the direction of the United States. Everyone else sort of tacks to the winds that blow from Washington. And right now those winds seem about as predictable as a tornado.

The bottom line -- these aren't "policy changes" but more erratic zigzagging from course to course by the ADHD Trumpanzee-in-chief. No credit is deserved, and none shall be given.

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:34 pm
by Lord Jim
Well, I don't suppose that it will come as a surprise that I ain't a big fan of Dan Rather's...

He was one of the pioneers of "fake news" and he rightly lost his job for it...

But I'm not going to shoot the messenger; (even if the messenger is a proven Four Pinocchio liar like Dan) when he says this:
The problem is that there is no sense that these changes, happening just weeks into Mr. Trump's term, are the result of anything but knee-jerk reaction. There has long been a belief that this President acts on the advice of the last person he talked to. Is that happening here? Can anyone say with any certainty that these new directions won't be spun around again in a week or month?
That is a very valid point...

Re: Trump's Policy Changes and Being a "Trump Fan"

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:46 pm
by Lord Jim
The only way to prove you are not a Trump Fan is to repudiate the Republican party
LOL :lol: :lol:

My anti-Trump bonafides are well established...

He's a dangerous, erratic, vulgarian who shouldn't be allowed within a hundred miles of the Presidency...

He shouldn't be allowed into the White House on a tour...

He shouldn't even be allowed to stand out on the sidewalk at the White House fence...

I want him out...

Yesterday would be better than today, today would be better than tomorrow, tomorrow would be better than the next day...

The sooner the better....

But I am NOT going to abandon The Republican Party...

I have been very critical of some of the elements within the party, (and as I've said before, I long ago accepted the fact that by being a Republican, I would make common cause with folks I did not agree with on "the social issues"...as I've said many times, I am not a "social conservative"...I don't give a hoot in hell about who gets hot and sweaty with anyone else...not my business)

I reject both the defeatist Left, and the neo-isolationist Right that seem to not understand the fundamental and essential role that the United States must play in the world...

I believe in limited government, but unlike the Radical Randians, I do not believe in no government...

I want to make the social contract work better; I don't want to abolish it...

I have a deep and abiding faith in capitalism and private enterprise; it has produced great wealth and advanced civilization all over the globe...None of us would live in the comfort we do today were it not for this brilliant system...

But it's not perfect...

The GOP has a lot of problems, but reject it to embrace a party that believes things like " letting people keep more of their own money is a 'give away'"... or that, "Government imposed solutions are best"...

Never...