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The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:37 pm
by Lord Jim
On Sunday, the French have the first round of their Presidential election, to select the top two finishers from for the runoff...

According to the latest polling, there is essentially a four-way statistical tie which means anyone from the right-wing nationalist candidate to the the communist candidate could wind up in the runoff:
20 Apr 2017

Macron: 23.8%

LePen: 22.1%

Fillon: 19.6%

Melenchon: 19%

Hamon: 7.6%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/frenc ... cker-odds/

French election 2017: Who are the candidates?

There are four front-runners and, as none is likely to secure an outright majority, a run-off between the two leading candidates is now expected on 7 May.

For the first time in 15 years, the far-right National Front has a realistic chance of winning the race under Marine Le Pen. Centrist Emmanuel Macron is challenging her in the opinion polls.

The former favourite, centre-right Republican François Fillon, is still in the race despite being investigated over alleged misuse of public funds. So is far-left candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who is enjoying a late surge in support.

For the first time in modern French history, the incumbent - Socialist President François Hollande - is not running for a second term because of poor ratings.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38220690

It would be fascinating, (though probably not in a good way) if both the mainstream candidates were to miss the cut and the far-left communist were to square off against the far-right nationalist in the final round...

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:29 pm
by Lord Jim
I was curious to see who the guy with a little under eight percent in the poll was...I figured he would be a candidate from some obscure upstart party that was over-performing in the polls...

I was wrong; he's the nominee of the party that currently holds the French Presidency:
The dizzying rise and fall of French Socialist presidential hopeful Benoît Hamon

France’s ruling Socialist Party appears headed for an historic drubbing. Crowned the mainstream left’s presidential nominee in January, Benoît Hamon could fail to clear even single digit support in Sunday’s all-important first-round vote.

On the last Monday before France’s April 23 first-round presidential ballot, a crowd gathered to cheer on far-left candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon near the iconic Place de la Bastille in eastern Paris. Sylvia Jacques, a 60-year-old hospital administrator, was among those who joined the festive event. She was once tempted to back Hamon in the election, until the Socialist’s plummeting figures persuaded her to go with Mélenchon. “I liked Hamon, it’s too bad his campaigned flopped,” she said wistfully. “The opinion polls killed his campaign.”

Indeed, according to recent surveys, Hamon – whose party currently governs the country -- is likely to finish the race in an embarrassing fifth place; behind a far-right populist, a scandal-plagued conservative, a centrist without a party, and a Chairman Mao-overcoat-wearing leftist, no less. On Wednesday evening, he rallied supporters in central Paris in a make-or-break final campaign push. Thousands of supporters packed out the famed Place de la République, much to his campaign team’s relief.

It wasn’t always the case. Hamon emerged as the commanding winner of the Socialist Party’s presidential primary earlier this year, riding a wave of momentum that many believed could carry him all the way.

However, his sharp decline in many ways mirrored his ascension.

Often derided within his own party as “Petit Benoît”, or Little Benoît, the former education minister who had a falling out with President François Hollande and former prime minister Manuel Valls was originally given little chance of winning the Socialist primary. But bold policy proposals – including a basic income for all citizens – and cool control during the televised debates propelled him to the top. Beating Valls in the primary run-off on January 29, he enjoyed around 20 percent support at the start of the race for the presidential Elysée Palace.

Hamon was never going to have it easy. As the nominee of the Socialist Party, he was now carrying the baggage of President Hollande’s unpopular tenure, even though he had quit the government in protest of its pro-market policies. Valls, his constant rival in the primary, had also spent weeks repeating that a vote for Hamon meant “certain failure” in the general election. However, for many left-wing voters, Hamon’s victory represented hope that the Socialist Party would return to its roots. Socialist voters hoped he was a long, but still legitimate, shot at the presidency in 2017.

Fast-forward 11 weeks. With only seven days left in the campaign, Hamon is forecast to claim a derisory eight percent of the vote. His campaign is hemorrhaging support and his career – and the Socialist Party itself – may not recover for decades.
More here: http://www.france24.com/en/20170419-fra ... list-party

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:35 pm
by Econoline
I heard or read a while ago that Hollande himself had an approval rating of 4%!!! :o

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:53 pm
by Sue U
LePen and Melenchon both tap into a similar anger and populism as that which propelled Trump's candidacy. As for the traditional Socialists, Hamon represents the opposite (i.e., left) wing of the party from Hollande, who is oddly pro-capitalist for an alleged Socialist. But Melenchon has co-opted the segment of the electorate that would otherwise be Hamon's base. Macron is a technocrat/bureaucrat who would fundamentally represent a continuation of neo-liberal economics and pro-EU policies.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the election puts Melenchon and LePen in a runoff, and given the tone of his campaign, I think Melenchon may be only a marginally better choice.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:22 pm
by Gob
The latest terrorist attack in Paris will bolster Le Pen's vote.
The gunman killed after shooting dead a policeman on the Champs Elysees has been named by the Paris prosecutor as Karim Cheurfi, a convicted criminal.
He used a Kalashnikov assault rifle to kill the police officer with two bullets to the head, François Molins told journalists in the French capital.
A note defending so-called Islamic State was found near his body.
Candidates in Sunday's presidential election have been accused of exploiting the attack politically

The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:22 am
by RayThom
My prediction... LePen -- by a nose -- for all the wrong reasons, but it's the Muslim ban that will resonate loudest.

Like Trump, she's a pseudo-populist constantly pulling themselves under the surface by contradictory ideology.

Global annihilation... will it be from war or climate change?

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:35 am
by rubato
Le Pen took her fathers explicitly racist party and turned it into the GOP. They are still racists but more subtle about it.


yrs,
rubato

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:31 am
by Lord Jim
It's Ronald Reagan's fault.

yrs,
axgrindo

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:04 pm
by rubato
And the Republican president endorses his crypto-racist counterpart:

Earlier Donald Trump claimed the latest ISIS terror attack on Paris will boost far right candidate Marine Le Pen's chances of becoming French president.

The US leader spoke out as a last minute poll revealed tough-talking Len Pen has received 'a modest increase in support' since the gun attack in the French capital.

The US president said the shooting would "probably" help Le Pen in Sunday's election because she is "strongest on borders, and she's the strongest on what's been going on in France."

"Whoever is the toughest on radical Islamic terrorism, and whoever is the toughest at the borders, will do well in the election," he said.
Donald Trump Is Now America’s Marine Le Pen
By John Cassidy December 7, 2015

Race hatred sells. The GOP has been running on racism since the 1960s.

yrs,
rubato

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:51 pm
by Gob
What is actually not factual about what Trump said Aspy boy?

Recent terror attacks in France

7-9 Jan 2015 - Two Islamist gunmen storm the Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 17 people. Another Islamist militant kills a policewoman the next day and takes hostages at a Jewish supermarket in Paris. Four hostages are killed before police shoot the gunman dead. The other two gunmen are cornered and killed by police in a siege.

13 Nov 2015 - IS jihadists armed with bombs and assault rifles attack Paris, targeting the national stadium, cafes and Bataclan concert hall. The co-ordinated assault leaves 130 people dead, and more than 350 wounded.

13 Jun 2016 -A knife-wielding jihadist kills a police officer and his partner at their home in Magnanville, west of Paris. He declares allegiance to IS, and police later kill him.

14 Jul 2016 - A huge lorry mows down a crowd of people on the Nice beachfront during Bastille Day celebrations, killing 86. IS claims the attack - by a Tunisian-born driver, later shot dead by police.

26 Jul 2016 - Two attackers slits the throat of a priest at his church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray, in Normandy. They are shot dead by police.

3 Feb 2017 - A machete-wielding Egyptian man shouting "Allahu akbar" attacks French soldiers at Paris's Louvre Museum - he is shot and wounded.

20 Apr 2017 - A convicted criminal who was investigated for threatening to kill police opens fire at police on the Champs Elysees in Paris, killing one and wounding two. He is shot dead - and the assault is claimed by IS.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:08 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
With 70% or so of the votes counted it looks as if the pre-election polls such as LJ posted were spot on. Macron is the winner by a shade over Le Pen. What is good about this is that Fillon in his concession speech urged his voters to go for Macron in the runoff which I hope means that Le Pen will be, like her father, consigned to the trash can of history. I have not heard yet what Melechon is suggesting to his supporters.

Liberté, egalité, fraternité. I wonder if Trump has ever heard the (still spine tingling to me as a European) quote usually misattributed to Pershing: 'Lafayette, we are here.' And if he has, has he ever wondered what it meant? Sadly, I think not.

(Edited to change spine chilling to spine tingling which is what I meant.)

The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:55 pm
by RayThom
It's hard to disagree with the facts:


Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:18 pm
by BoSoxGal
History is happening all around me.

I'm not sure if I agree with much of it.

I'm even less sure that matters.

:shrug

I've decided to stop paying much attention.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:36 pm
by Long Run
Wine and cheese will survive.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:42 am
by Gob
The centrist Emmanuel Macron will face far-right leader Marine Le Pen in a run-off for the French presidency on 7 May, near-final results show.
With 96% of votes counted from Sunday's first round, Mr Macron has 23.9% with Ms Le Pen on 21.4%
Very close, but Le Pen has no chance in the run-offs.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:43 am
by dales
BoSoxGal wrote:History is happening all around me.

I'm not sure if I agree with much of it.

I'm even less sure that matters.

:shrug

I've decided to stop paying much attention.
Fear not, locate a decent structure to withstand a nuclear blast and hope you can ride out the sucker. :mrgreen:

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The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:52 pm
by RayThom
Gob wrote:... Very close, but Le Pen has no chance in the run-offs.
To paraphrase: Very close, but Trump has no chance in the election.

That was then... this is now.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:06 pm
by BoSoxGal
:cry:

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:07 pm
by Jarlaxle
RayThom wrote:
Gob wrote:... Very close, but Le Pen has no chance in the run-offs.
To paraphrase: Very close, but Trump has no chance in the election.

That was then... this is now.
Spot on.

Re: The French Presidential Election...

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:02 am
by rubato
The french have better food, thinner women, and more beautiful architecture than we do. I am optimistic that the country of Lafayette and Michel de Montaigne will triumph in the end.


yrs,
rubato