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Obama sells out.
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:01 pm
by rubato
I'm very disappointed. He is joining the greedy gang of ex-presidents who have sold out in the same way; starting with Reagan. He could at least have asked the fee to go to a charity like Planned Parenthood.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... eaking-fee
Obama's $400,000 Wall Street speaking fee will undermine everything he believes in
To fight the rising tide of populism, mainstream leaders need to raise their ethical game.
Updated by Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesiasmatt@vox.com Apr 25, 2017, 11:00am EDT
Former President Barack Obama's decision to accept a $400,000 fee to speak at a health care conference organized by the bond firm Cantor Fitzgerald is easily understood. That's so much cash, for so little work, that it would be extraordinarily difficult for anyone to turn it down. And the precedent established by former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, to say nothing of former Federal Reserve Chairs Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan and a slew of other high-ranking former officials, is that there is nothing wrong with taking the money.
Indeed, to not take the money might be a problem for someone in Obama's position. It would set a precedent.
Obama would be suggesting that for an economically comfortable high-ranking former government official to be out there doing paid speaking gigs would be corrupt, sleazy, or both. He'd be looking down his nose at the other corrupt, sleazy former high-ranking government officials and making enemies.
Which is exactly why he should have turned down the gig.
"... Change we can believe in
In an unpaid speaking appearance earlier this week at the University of Chicago, Obama demonstrated his enduring faith in both the American people and his brand of politics. He explained that the progressive views of younger Americans give him hope and that he wants to make it the primary mission of his post-presidency to break down the barriers that dissuade young people from participating in political life.
It's a fine vision, one that successfully walks the line between post-presidential high-mindedness and partisan politics.
Obama should take seriously the message it sends to those young people if he decides to make a career out of buckraking. He knows that Hillary Clinton isn't popular with the youth cohort the way he is. And he knows that populists on both the left and the right want to make a sweeping ideological critique of all center-left politics, not just a narrow personal one of Clinton. Does Obama want them to win that battle and carry the day with the message that mainstream politics is just a moneymaking hustle?
Of course, it's just one speech. Nothing is irrevocable about one speech. But money doesn't get any easier to turn down with time, any more than rebuking friends and colleagues gets easier. To make his post-presidency a success, Obama should give this money to some good cause and then swear off these gigs entirely. ... "
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rubato
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:23 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
I tend to agree; but I am not sure how virginal I would be if someone dangled wads of cash in front of me for making a speech which I could justify, at least to myself, as providing no information and no access beyond what is available to any member of the public.
It is not particularly defensible; but in the light of all else going on in Washington, it is small potatoes.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:33 am
by BoSoxGal
Considering he & Michelle just signed a $60 MILLION book deal, I'd say donating any and all speaking fees to charity is the way to go.
It looks like he's joining the celebrity elites lifestyle. Not what I'd expected and I'm disappointed this is the path he's choosing.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:52 am
by Bicycle Bill
And as BSG said, if someone were to dangle that sort of a payday in front of me, I'd have to be three kinds of a fool not to accept it. Why blame Obama for merely following in the footsteps of just about every other politician once they left office?
Besides, if Trump and his repugnicant minions are able to cut back on government programs, spending, and responsibilities — as has been their avowed intention for how many years now? — Obama will probably have to provide his own protection for himself and his family, and that doesn't come cheap.
-"BB"-
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:35 am
by Lord Jim
It looks like he's joining the celebrity elites lifestyle. Not what I'd expected and I'm disappointed this is the path he's choosing.
Well, it's
exactly what I expected, so I'm not disappointed.
I never considered Obama to be somehow "purer" or "better" than the average politician, (I never saw any evidence that would lead me to believe that to be the case.)
And as far as raising money from Wall Street goes, in 2008 he set records in that regard...
I really don't care at all how much money he makes or what he does with it. Not my business. More power to him.
I'll save my disappoint regarding Obama for things like him being foolish enough to buy into a deal brokered by Vladimir Putin...

Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:23 pm
by Long Run
Lord Jim wrote:
I never considered Obama to be somehow "purer" or "better" than the average politician, (I never saw any evidence that would lead me to believe that to be the case.)
Exactly. Which is why he will go from being moderately well off prior to his first term (net worth about $1 million), to very well off by the end of his presidency (net worth estimated at $24 million for both Obamas combined), and he will soon be in Clinton territory north of $100 million. Pretty much all of it earned on his celebrity status.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:46 pm
by rubato
Obama had an opportunity to be better and do the right thing and decided not to. Unfortunate.
The social psychological research on this shows that if you take the money, even if the amount is not large, it changes you. (per Elliot Aronson)
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rubato
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:37 pm
by wesw
Obama Cashes In
ftfy.....
only the naïve would be surprised.
your love made you stupid
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wesbato
(I m not really taking a shot, rube. in fact I find you refreshingly honest..., comparered to one person here, who shall go un named..., we ll just call him...., white RINO....

)
in fact, I think that you may even vote for trump in 2020....
...and I would bet that the goings on at college campuses, regarding free speech and protected speech and freedom of assembly, give you pause....
but I don t gamble anymore..., "it hurts to win and it hurts to lose....'
(that is a verse from one of my songs..., don t steal it upon pain of death..., ah nevermind..., take it....)
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:43 pm
by rubato
Joe Guy is taking magic mushrooms again. Wes is back.
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rubato
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:09 pm
by Lord Jim
in fact I find you refreshingly honest..., comparered to one person here, who shall go un named..., we ll just call him...., white RINO....
Well, if wes finds
rube to be "refreshingly honest" and
me to be a RINO...
Then
much stronger hallucinogens than psilocybin are in play...
I'm thinkin' four-way windowpane...
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:15 pm
by Joe Guy
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:41 pm
by Lord Jim
When I think about it further though, it actually makes perfect sense that wes would find rube to be "refreshingly honest"....
Afterall, wes has also found Trump to be "refreshingly honest"...
Wes has the confused thinking of many hardcore Trumpanzees...
Mistaking a propensity for rudeness, gratuitous incivility, and oafishness for "honesty"...
In concluding that rube is "refreshingly honest" he is simply applying that same misunderstanding of what constitutes honesty to rube that he has about Trump...
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:57 pm
by wesw
...or maybe rube was just honest about how he felt about this particular issue, and maybe I just appreciated it.
just a cigar, man, just a cigar...
(don t eat the purple microdot...)
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 5:30 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Obama was/is a master at giving speeches. Might as well get paid for it.
Is he a sell out?
Not really.
No more so than any other president who got paid for giving speches or writing a book.
Let him earn what he can any legal way he can.
It's the American way.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:22 pm
by Econoline
From
here:For those who got worked up over Obama's $400,000 speaking fee, congratulations - you were played by the Right Wing media yet again.
Courtesy of Washington Monthly:
When it comes to the story about Obama accepting speaking fees, it is important to note that the story was launched by Fox Business News. All of the sudden what previous presidents – both Democrat and Republican – had been doing for years was scandalized because we’re now talking about Obama. Our current so-called “populist” president once even bragged at a rally that he used to be paid a lot of money for speeches (as much as $1.5 million for a single speech).
Of course the folks at Fox knew this would trigger a dust-up on the left because of the fact that Hillary Clinton’s speaking fees had become such an issue in the 2016 primary. And of course, an awful lot of liberals took the bait.
I’m not saying that all of the arguments about speaking fees are without merit. Perhaps Democrats should have a proactive conversation about whether former presidents should continue to do so. But taking the bait Fox served up and using it to suggest that a particular former Democratic president is threatening our democracy is akin to the kind of circular firing squad for which Democrats have been famous over the years.
The article goes on to point out that before there was ever any mention of this speech that the former President had already spoken, for free, to young people in Chicago about gang violence, job skills, and employment opportunities.
Also from the article:
For the people who think that accepting fees for a speech indicates an erosion of our democracy, they should at least acknowledge that former President Obama is actually spending the majority of his time working with young people on civic engagement as well as reducing violence, poverty and unemployment around the country. Otherwise they are simply getting played by Fox News.
Personally I found it troubling that both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders allowed themselves to get played by Fox News.
Warren said she was "troubled" by this news, however Sanders went much farther saying he found it "distasteful."
Do you know what I find distasteful, so called "liberal leaders" who allow the conservative media to pull their strings so effectively.
Remember this is the same thing the Russians did to split the Democrats during the primary, and to convince the so-called "Bernie Bros" that the nomination was stolen from their candidate, which led to many of them skipping the general election in frustration.
A bit of information that was tragically under reported about this so-called Wall Street speaking engagement is that the speech is being given at a health care conference.
How could we possibly expect the President who passed such an expansive health care reform, which was not in such danger of being undermined or repealed, NOT to show up something like that?
No the criticism directed at President Obama concerning this speech is completely unwarranted, and worse yet it is another indication that even the liberals are easily led around by the nose.
Spot on.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 9:32 pm
by Big RR
FWIW, I think he can charge whatever he wants for speeches and I fail to see how democracy is threatened in the least. But Obama was the one who chose to characterize himself as somehow above this sort of thing (I never bought it, but that's the image he tried to portray), and I hardly find criticizing him for it being led by the nose via the conservative media. If Bernie accepted a fee like this, he would deserve criticism as well.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 10:10 pm
by Econoline
FWIW, I'm fine with whatever (legal) income Obama chooses to take in. Now if he shows signs of being politically compromised by the source of that income, that is when I'll start to criticize him. Likewise, if he does something socially worthwhile with his money, that'd be great; if he uses his wealth to start living a Trumpian lifestyle, or to back socially or environmentally destructive causes, that is when I'll start to criticize him. Money is a resource or a tool. HOW you get it does matter, but what matters even more is what you do with it once you have it.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:27 pm
by Big RR
Econo--gifts from business concerns (and make no mistake about it, high speech fees are gifts) always come with strings, and I'm sure these are no different. If nothing else, Obama cozying up to Wall Street is good press to try and win over some of the less progressive members among the dems, and to drive a bigger wedge between the progressives and the center and left of center members of the party. Even if he uses the money for the "best" causes, just accepting it has effects. Money is a tool, and Wall Street execs are quite adept to using that tool to their best advantage.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 12:57 pm
by Scooter
It only becomes a wedge if they choose to make it so through their reaction to it. Obama is no longer in office and thus is no longer in any position to allow any speaking fees he receives to influence government policy. Any debate on the "appropriateness" of receiving such fees should end there.
Re: Obama sells out.
Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:43 pm
by rubato
Scooter wrote:It only becomes a wedge if they choose to make it so through their reaction to it. Obama is no longer in office and thus is no longer in any position to allow any speaking fees he receives to influence government policy. Any debate on the "appropriateness" of receiving such fees should end there.
No, taking the money changes his thinking and thus what he says. As long as he is a public figure who wields influence over other's opinions taking the money is inappropriate.
[I think it is in one of Elliot Aronson's books but I gave those away] The social psychological research shows clearly that taking gifts, even small ones, changes peoples behavior afterwards even when the individual denies it.
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rubato