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The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 1:05 pm
by Lord Jim
Or they're going to be swept away in a Tsunami in 2018....

Bear in mind these numbers were compiled before the Comey firing:
Poll: Dems lead Republicans by 16 points on generic House ballot

Democrats hold a 16-point lead over Republicans in a generic House ballot, according to a poll released on Wednesday.

The Quinnipiac University Poll found that 54 percent of respondents said they would like to see the Democrats control the House of Representatives, while 38 percent said the Republicans. Eight percent said they did not know or had no answer.

A majority of Americans disapproves of the job both parties are doing in Congress.

Seventy-one percent of respondents disapprove of the job Republicans are doing in Congress, while 22 percent approve.

Fifty-eight percent disapprove of the job Democrats are doing, while 34 percent approve.

Republicans currently hold 238 seats in the House, meaning Democrats need to flip at least 25 seats in the 2018 mid-term elections to gain a majority in the lower chamber.

The same poll also found that President Trump’s job approval rating has dipped to a near-record low of 36 percent.

“There is no way to spin or sugarcoat these sagging numbers,” Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a press release.

“The erosion of white men, white voters without college degrees and independent voters, the declaration by voters that President Donald Trump’s first 100 days were mainly a failure and deepening concerns about Trump’s honesty, intelligence and level headedness are red flags that the administration simply can't brush away.”

The Quinnipiac survey was conducted from May 4 to 9, surveying 1,078 voters across the country. It has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

By comparison, Democrats currently hold a 5.8 point lead on Republicans, according to the RealClearPolitics poll average of the generic House ballot.
Presumably this historically bad generic ballot number is related in large part to the House vote on the AHCA, and also presumably the next poll on this, conducted after the Comey firing and all the revelations that have come out about it, may very well be even worse...

It's high time for the Republicans on The Hill (especially any Rep. who didn't win their district with 70% or more) to realize supporting a bill on a critically important issue that has 17% support among the American people, and locking yourself into supporting a President with historically low approval numbers (numbers that are now even falling among core constituencies like white males) does not a winning strategy make... :roll:

They need to come to the painful realization that Trump is far too deeply flawed to ever serve as the vehicle for getting the fundamental policy changes (like entitlement reform and tax reform) that they had hoped he could be, (which has been the fundamental reason that they have been so reluctant to break with him.)

Indeed, so long as this scandal plagued, dishonest, incompetent, paranoid, narcissistic loony remains in office, none of their agenda has any chance of even getting any serious focus, let alone passage...

They need to wake up the fact that this man is destroying his presidency, and the longer they stay hitched to his wagon, the more likely it becomes that they will be destroyed along with him...

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:38 pm
by Sue U
deepening concerns about Trump’s honesty, intelligence and level headedness
NOW they have concerns???????!!!!!????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:00 pm
by Crackpot
Deepening implies they were there before. I can say it's accurate I don't think anyone could have thought trump could meet such levels of cartoonish supervillany.

I've seen masked bad guys on Scooby Doo with more coherent plans.

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:17 pm
by Sue U
Trump has been a cartoon villain (hardly super, though) since the 80s. You could ask anyone from New York or New Jersey. We spent more than a years trying to to tell you.

ETA:

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viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2553&p=33465&hilit=Trump#p33465

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 11:33 pm
by Lord Jim
I don't think anyone could have thought trump could meet such levels of cartoonish supervillany.
Worse than Snidley Whiplash....

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Worse than Simon Barr Sinister...

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Worse than Riff Raff...

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Worse even than Fearless Leader...

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But forget about comparing Trump to cartoon super villains...

He also exceeds all the Bond super villains...

Dr. Julius No, Auric Goldfinger, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld were a bunch of pussies on the super villain scale compared to Donald J. Trump...

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 12:21 am
by Bicycle Bill
I agree; he has already surpassed Goldfinger, Dr. No, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld (in any of his iterations), and is fast approaching Max Zorin or Hugo Drax levels.

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Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 4:34 am
by Econoline
This sounds about right to me:
  • After a week of stunning revelations, the firing of FBI Director James Comey and then the ever-shifting rationale offered by Trump surrogates, which then got bowled over by Trump himself in an interview with Lester Holt, Maher asked Schiff when the GOP is going to start breaking with the president.

    After showing a rowdy town hall in which a constituent shouted at a Republican House member to “decide to be an American and not a politician,” Maher asked Schiff, “How can they govern if that’s what’s brewing out in America? What are the Republicans saying to each other behind closed doors? They must be shitting their pants.”

    Schiff laughed, but then said, “They all want something from this president before the wheels come completely off the wagon. They want their tax cuts, they want their regulatory repeal of all the mining regulations, etc. And then they’ll find their spine.”

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 7:57 am
by Lord Jim
“They all want something from this president before the wheels come completely off the wagon.
What they need to have sink in, is that the wheels are already off the wagon....

Continued support for Trump doesn't make sense politically, and it certainly doesn't make sense from a policy agenda standpoint...

He's already issued all the regulation reducing executive orders he can, and the atmosphere Trump and his behavior creates makes focusing on policy driven issues impossible...

If the GOP on The Hill doesn't start to realize this, then they will richly deserve the pasting they are facing in the midterm elections...

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:28 pm
by BoSoxGal
I'm a little flabbergasted, to be honest. They have a perfectly good (from their POV) replacement in Pence, if they'd get serious about getting rid of 45. At this point, any concerns about losing momentum because of an impeachment should be addressed by the low approval ratings and established evidence that Trump can't legislate to save his life. I should think they'd want to get him gone quickly and have some time before the midterms to make some positive progress (to their voters' way of thinking) legislatively, in hopes of getting Pence elected in 2020. There is a path for them, if they had any principles.

But honestly, I'm fine with watching the debacle unfold as is. They can't do much while they wallow in Trump's stench and corruption. The resistance seems very solid and determined, so I don't see that losing steam anytime soon. We might just ride this out okay after all, with the added bonus of crippling the Republican Party for years to come, thanks to their moral cowardice.

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:36 pm
by Crackpot
but if they make it past the mid terms Pence can rules for ~10 years

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 9:34 pm
by liberty
If trump would just die could we then try to solve some of the problem or has god Obama fix them all; I think not. The thing that made Trump want to fix the problems is very thing that is destroying his chances of succeeding. Because of his ego he wants to be remembered as the great president that saved the country but his fragile ego allows our enemies to sabotage those things he wants to do to fix problem, like a border wall.

The thing is if trump was to die the republicans would be in better shape but nothing would be done about the problems. No one but trump and his supporters want to do anything to try to fix them. Some female democrat liberal congressperson said it would be immoral to build a border wall. Really it would be immoral try to effect illegal border crossing of illegal drugs and aliens?

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:40 pm
by Joe Guy
Silly Trump! All he needs to do is sign an Executive Order to allow Border Patrol to shoot & kill illegal aliens on sight. He could call it an invasion of our land to justify it. He just hasn't thought of that yet.

I'm pretty sure Trump reads everything we have to say here at Plan B, so I know he will probably give the idea some serious consideration.

Give him a couple of days...

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 11:23 pm
by Lord Jim
No one but trump and his supporters want to do anything to try to fix them.
Lib, you continue to labor under the mistaken impressionism that Donald Trump actually gives a shit about anyone or anything besides himself...

Trump has enemies because he is so good a making enemies; it's one of the few genuine skills he possesses....

But Trump isn't failing because he has enemies... (Ronald Reagan had enemies; he was quite successful)

He's failing to achieve any of the things he promised because:

A. He's a complete administrative incompetent who understands absolutely nothing about how our system of government works, or how to get anything accomplished within that system. He's also fundamentally lazy, and doesn't have the discipline to engage in anything that requires patience and sustained effort.

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B. He doesn't really give one small damn about those promises, and chooses to obsess over the Russia investigation and every personal insult or slight he perceives because these ego driven concerns are far more important to him than a wall, or tax reform, or an infrastructure bill, or job creation, or any other promise he made.

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C. Some of the things he has wanted to achieve are blatantly Un-constitutional.

The narrative of The Heroic Trump being frustrated and thwarted by the powerful evil doers arrayed against him, is pure fantasy.

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 1:56 pm
by Big RR
that pretty much sums it up.

ETA: A lot of politicians develop this characteristic, but it usually takes some time. Trump was that way from the beginning (indeed, long before this campaign was ever thought of); a man obsessed with plastering his name all over the place, yet never really caring what it was plastered on. A man who thought himself a great wheeler and dealer (AKA a manipulator), who relied on others to put the work in and then took the credit. And most of all, a man with a skin as thin as the thinnest tissue paper who was a legend in his own mind, but nowhere else. In short, Fredo Correlleone with the ego of Michael. And add a little bit of Charles Foster Kean with his insistence on serving "his people".

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 3:13 pm
by Lord Jim
Here's a piece from that well known RINO Jonah Goldberg that appeared in that well known lefty publication National Review (It's a good companion read with the piece Charlie Sykes wrote)
The Comey Debacle

Dear Reader (including anyone hiding in the bushes),

Good times, huh?

Let’s start . . . here:
Ann Coulter‏Verified account @AnnCoulter

Comey firing is a red herring to distract from the fact that Trump hasn't started building the wall.
Now, I don’t think this is actually true, but I’ve been told for months now that I have to get better at taking some things seriously without taking them literally. And I think Ann has a point.

So, I’m going to ask my pro-Trump and passionately anti-anti-Trump friends to just take a step back and ask yourselves: “What does Donald Trump’s manufactured, self-inflicted, and pathological need for drama get us?”

If you’re about to answer “Neil Gorsuch,” the everlasting gobstopper of Trump rationalizations, please hold off one second. If you’re about to answer “judges,” please take a moment as well. Because the correct answer, in policy terms, is . . . nothing. Actually, less than nothing because all this drama makes getting things done harder.

In the best possible light, all the insanity from the president of the United States is St. Elmo’s Fire, a lightshow to entertain us. It’s a Mexican soap opera without the redeeming sex and cleavage. It’s a reality-TV show without the cat fights, stiletto heels, and thrown glasses of wine.

Ask anybody — off the record, of course — on Capitol Hill about whether all this drama helps them get bills passed or judges confirmed. They will laugh at the question.

This is irrespective of any specific policy agenda. If you want a wall that can be seen from space along the southern border, if you want a Muslim ban, if you want to get rid of Obamacare, spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure, or any other core goal of the original MAGA agenda, none of this helps. None of it. Trump was never destined for Mt. Rushmore, but every insane tweet is a step further away from it.

I can only imagine poor Reince Priebus freaking out like Jerry Maguire shouting at Cuba Gooding Jr. in the locker room — “Help me . . . help you . . . help me! . . . help you!” — while an air-drying-naked Donald Trump giggles at the spectacle.

I’ve written a lot about how people can’t let go of the campaign mindset. The best example of this is how I hear every day that whatever Trump may be doing wrong, it’s still “better than Hillary.” Of course, that’s got a lot of truth to it when it comes to things such as judicial appointments and the fact that we don’t have to put up with the Clintons’ “there’s no eating in the library” officiousness. But now that Trump is president, it’s utterly irrelevant, save to those who need to reassure themselves daily.

But there’s another form of the campaign mentality that is keeping people from thinking clearly now.

Say what you will about Trump’s thyroidal tweeting and aphasic outbursts, it worked for him.

Trump’s approach was so unfathomably strange, so otherworldly in the realm of Earth logic, that his biggest fans had to believe it was all part of some grand strategy. This is a natural human response. When something or someone is so incomprehensibly strange and yet successful, we often assume there’s a genius at work that is just beyond our ability to grasp. Bernie Madoff bilked billions from people who just couldn’t bring themselves to argue with success.

I’ve always thought that some modern artists are also con artists. They create something so strange, so aesthetically alien, that insecure rich people assume it must be a work of a genius, so they’re willing to spend vast sums to convince other people that a) they can afford to indulge in it, and b) they’re members of the cognoscenti, too.

The greatest example of this is probably Piero Manzoni’s Merda d’artista. In 1961, Manzoni literally crapped in a can — 90 tins to be exact. He printed out labels for the cans that read:
Artist’s Shit
Contents 30 gr net
Freshly preserved
Produced and tinned
in May 1961
In a touch that no novelist would dare attempt, Manzoni’s father, who actually owned a cannery, told his son: “Your work is sh**.”

It was a pas de deux of taking something both literally and seriously. Last August, Manzoni’s canned feces sold at auction for 275,000 euros.

Much has been written about how Donald Trump became a billionaire by being, if not an outright con artist, then certainly a kind of performance artist. He sold an image, a lifestyle, a brand. “I play to people’s fantasies,” Trump “wrote” in The Art of the Deal. “I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.”

And, again, it worked for him. I don’t think Trump is as rich as he claims, but so what? He’s rich enough and he’s famous and, now, he’s president. But what so many people can’t — or won’t — contemplate is that what worked for Trump in business, self-promotion, and even the presidential election may not transfer to the presidency itself.

This is a staggeringly obvious insight that many people are contorting themselves not to see. Sometimes skills don’t transfer.

Piero Manzoni was arguably the most successful canner of feces in human history. I am happy to acknowledge that. But if I were wheeled on a gurney into an operating room, I would not take much solace from that fact if he were my heart surgeon.

"Don’t worry Mr. Goldberg, I made a fortune spackling sh** into a can. You’ll be fine. Nurse, hand me that sharp thing."

Michael Jordan was a kind of artistic genius at basketball. Do I really have to belabor the point that those skills don’t necessarily translate into being a successful president?

I am shocked, daily, by the number of people who cannot let go of the idea — the article of faith, really — that Donald Trump has his opponents right where he wants them. The logical upshot of this is that he somehow meant to have historically craptacular poll numbers. I mean if he can execute his will and play ten moves ahead of the rest of us, then this must be part of his plan, right?

On Thursday, I noted in the Corner that Donald Trump tried to convince the editors of The Economist (!) that he coined the phrase “prime the pump” to describe Keynesian economic stimulus. This is just bizarre. It’s even more bizarre when you consider that Trump claims that he invented the phrase just a few days ago — especially since he’s been using the term himself for more than a year.

I asked readers what could possibly explain this objectively ridiculous statement and, sure as shinola, a common answer was, “It’s all part of his plan!” By saying something absurd, Trump is getting people to talk about how he’s going to prime the pump! Get it? Genius!

This is a very small example of a very large problem. The rush to defend the myth of Trump is causing conservatives to abandon their principles, standards, and credibility at a breathtaking pace.

Forget the issue of who coined the phrase “prime the pump.” Everyone seems to have overlooked the fact that we have a Republican president defending a school of economics that conservatives have been trying to beat back for more than a century (free-market economists were anti-Keynesian before Keynes was born).

Now, I know Trump was talking about tax cuts here, and there’s a Keynesian argument for tax cuts that conservatives sometimes flirt with. But Trump also uses “prime the pump” for his infrastructure-spending ideas.

More to the point, he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And yet that doesn’t stop him from calling in St. Elmo’s Fire to keep people from noticing.

But forget about conservative dogma and doctrine. Trump made clear long ago that he doesn’t care about that stuff, and he won anyway. So, just look at basic politics.

I have no problem with the argument that James Comey deserved to be fired. I’m more sympathetic to him than some of my colleagues, but that’s irrelevant. In principle, a president can fire an FBI director for any reason he wants (or for no reason at all). And there were certainly defensible reasons for Comey to go.

But come on, people. The way Comey was fired was simply malpractice on a scale on par with Barack Obama’s decision to contract out the Obamacare website to the Amish community’s finest programmers. There was no reason to rush it. There was no reason to humiliate Comey while he was in Los Angeles visiting an FBI field office. There was no reason — as in “rationality” — to any of it.

No reasonable person could believe that the same guy who invited chants of “Lock her up!” and defended Comey’s “guts” for reopening the Hillary Clinton investigation in October wanted to fire Comey for his unfairness to Hillary Clinton. And yet, the president humiliated the vice president and the White House communications team by letting them go out and peddle precisely that nonsense.

Trump now defends the gelding of his vice president on the grounds that he’s just too busy to keep his most loyal surrogates from beclowning themselves: “As a very active President with lots of things happening, it is not possible for my surrogates to stand at podium with perfect accuracy!….”

No one’s looking for perfect accuracy. But if the White House had waited a day, they could have avoided objective lies. The response from the drivers of the permanent wagon circle, however, is to talk about how the media coverage of Comey’s firing is all overblown. There have been inaccuracies and hyperbole, to be sure. But serious people understand — even if they won’t say so on camera — that Trump has been throwing gasoline on a firestorm for no other reason than that’s what Trump does.

I keep hearing from conservatives that the media is driven by a deranged conspiracy theory about the Trump campaign’s collusion with Russia. Maybe it is. But I never hear the second shoe drop: Trump seems Hell-bent on convincing people that he’s obsessed with the Russia story and does almost everything he can to keep it alive. Trump’s confession to NBC’s Lester Holt that he fired Comey because of the Russia story, his ridiculous tweets, his letter claiming that Comey told him three times that he wasn’t being investigated: These are not things you do if you want the media, the Democrats, Congress, or the FBI to drop the subject.

A friend e-mailed me yesterday that the Comey firestorm is only a big deal inside the Beltway. Maybe, maybe not. But people forget that it’s inside the Beltway where laws get made. The smart — never mind honorable — response from conservatives to all this should be the Jerry Maguire response. Rather than rationalizing and enabling this behavior, conservatives should be doing everything they can to convince Trump that he’s his own worst enemy.

Mike Pence would do himself, his party, and his country a favor by telling Donald Trump, “If you humiliate me like that again, I will resign and run against you in 2020.” It may not work. But it’s a far better approach than bending over and shouting, “Thank you, sir! May I have another!?”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/44 ... ied-letter

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:13 pm
by Econoline
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Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:57 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
From the NYT's story on this mess:
In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies.
So that's OK then. Not to worry: no harm, no foul.

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:05 pm
by BoSoxGal
What a relief.

Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 8:38 pm
by Lord Jim
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Re: The Congressional GOP Needs To Wake Up...

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:22 pm
by Econoline