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the stages of grief

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:57 pm
by rubato
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2017/0 ... grief.html

"... Hence the stages of grief for Leavers. They have been led to believe, by newspapers and politicians, that as long as the negotiations are played right all will be well: the bargaining stage of grief. Unfortunately for them they are still living in the fantasy world created by the Brexit media and unchallenged by the broadcast media. The fantasy is to view the forthcoming EU negotiations as some great battle of wills. As Stephen Fisher notes, the negotiations are constantly framed in pugilistic terms. This is why the Conservatives are polling at around 45%, despite all the mistakes of the Tory campaign.

Hence, also, the attraction of the ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ line. Leavers need to believe that walking away is a credible threat that will unlock the benefits of Brexit. But the reality is painfully different. If you want an eloquent explanation of this read Martin Wolf if you can, otherwise here is the short version. The EU knows that No Deal would be a disaster for the UK. It would be painful for the EU too, but not so painful as to make them offer the UK any significant favours. Their overriding objective is to ensure the UK will be worse off under Brexit, not as some punishment but to ensure EU survival. Given that No Deal will be so much worse for the UK than the EU, and as the clock is already ticking, the EU are in a position where they can pretty well dictate terms. To the extent that this is a game, we lost it the moment Article 50 was triggered. ..."
Simon Wren-Lewis


Mainly Macro
Professor of Economic Policy at the Blavatnik School of Government, Oxford University, and a fellow of Merton College. This blog is written for both economists and non-economists.
From Martin Wolf:
https://www.ft.com/content/2c927f3e-2ff ... ef563ecf9a


yrs,
rubato

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:11 pm
by Burning Petard
Please note that our current POTUS cheered the Scots when they voted to leave the EU, and graciously acknowledged the cheers when he announced he was leaving the Paris Accords.

snailgate

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:50 am
by Lord Jim
The Stages Of Grief:

1.Denial:

"No, I didn't do it; I was not stupid enough to open a thread started by rubato"

2.Anger:

"God damn it! How could I have been so stupid as to open a thread started by rubato? I should know better by now. :arg "

3.Bargaining:

"Okay, if God will just help to forget that I opened this stupid thread, I promise never, ever, ever again to be stupid enough to open a thread started by rubato." :)

4.Depression:

"Oh it's no use...I just can't forget what I saw when I opened this stupid thread started by rubato" :cry:

5. Acceptance:

Okay, I was stupid enough to open a thread started by rubato. I'm just going to have to live with that." :|

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:06 am
by Gob
Aspergers, it's not just for Xmas...
Fifty-our per cent of adults quizzed in the ICM survey wanted the Prime Minister to avoid any delay in breaking ties with Brussels.

And more than quarter of those who opposed Brexit in the referendum now want the departure to proceed at the fastest possible rate so the Government can "take back control of our borders, laws, money and trade.’

The majority support for a rapid EU exit was shown in a poll of more than 2,000 voters commissioned by Change Britain to mark six months since the historic referendum vote to quit the bloc.

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:20 pm
by Big RR
We can keep debating whether brexit was a good decision or not, but the simple point is that the majority have spoken and in any sort of democracy their view cannot 9or should not) be ignored. Of course, there are many who espouse democratic values until the results are inconvenient to them, but these are the people who would welcome the order of a more totalitarian society where some misguided people should not have a say.

As for the specter of "no deal", neither the EU nor Great Britain can afford to ignore each other for long; a deal beneficial to both will eventually be struck.

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:24 pm
by rubato
This is how you communicate with someone who has the upper hand in upcoming negotiations:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/theresa-may- ... 41254.html


Image


Stay classy England!


yrs,
rubato

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:39 am
by Gob
What makes you think that is "England's" response Asperger's boy? (Note the skirt?)

I won't even bother asking you to explain why you think the EU has the upper hand.

Re: the stages of grief

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:50 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Lord Jim wrote:The Stages Of Grief:

1.Denial:

"No, I didn't do it; I was not stupid enough to open a thread started by rubato"

2.Anger:

"God damn it! How could I have been so stupid as to open a thread started by rubato? I should know better by now. :arg "

3.Bargaining:

"Okay, if God will just help to forget that I opened this stupid thread, I promise never, ever, ever again to be stupid enough to open a thread started by rubato." :)

4.Depression:

"Oh it's no use...I just can't forget what I saw when I opened this stupid thread started by rubato" :cry:

5. Acceptance:

Okay, I was stupid enough to open a thread started by rubato. I'm just going to have to live with that." :|
"Acceptance" very good.
Now, are you ready to commit to a program of action?
It's only 12 steps.
:mrgreen: