Plan B Forum

Otto Warmbier has a 'SEVERE neurological injury': Father says there's 'no excuse' for what North Koreans did to his son as he blames the Obama administration for not doing enough to secure his release

BoSoxGal wrote:Considering news reports indicate his neurologists here in the USA don't believe that either botulism or a sedative caused his coma, I'll assume you pulled that out your ass as usual.

It's very possible that he was somehow injured by the prison officials following his sentencing. I'm making no defense of North Korea in any way in this post.

It's also very possible given his hysterical appearance in court at sentencing that facing 15 years hard labor for his own idiocy, he went back to his cell and did himself harm - he wouldn't be the first prisoner to intentionally run himself into a brick wall and a serious neurological injury.

Fred Warmbier said the family did not believe North Korea's story, that his son had fallen into a coma after contracting botulism and being given a sleeping pill.

You just sort of go off like that periodically with asshole remarks.

BoSoxGal wrote:Try reading the news more than once a week - there is NO evidence of botulinum toxin.

You're the cunt, rubato, going out of your way to start fights with me or anyone else who points out your failure to convey true information. Back on ignore you go, along with your worthless turds.

BoSoxGal wrote:Are you really that stupid, Mr. Scientist? The doctors here who have tested him and examined him gave those statements. There is no other evidence to consider other than false information provided by the North Korean regime.

I don't like to make reference to drinking, but something seems to be limiting your comprehension and exacerbating your asshole-ness.

rubato wrote:The only 'evidence' was in their statements.

U.S. student who was returned from North Korea in coma has died

Reuters

"Unfortunately, the awful torturous mistreatment our son received at the hands of the North Koreans ensured that no other outcome was possible beyond the sad one we experienced today," the family said in a statement following Warmbier's death at 2:20 p.m. EDT (1820 GMT) at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center.

His family has said that Warmbier, 22, had lapsed into a coma in March 2016, shortly after he was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor in North Korea.

He was arrested, according to North Korean media, for trying to steal an item bearing a propaganda slogan.

North Korea released Warmbier last week, saying he was being freed "on humanitarian grounds."

The University of Virginia student's father, Fred Warmbier, said last week that his son had been "brutalized and terrorized by the Pyongyang government and that the family disbelieved North Korea's story that his son had fallen into a coma after contracting botulism and being given a sleeping pill.

Doctors who examined Otto Warmbier after his release said there was no sign of botulism in his system.

Warmbier was freed after the U.S. State Department's special envoy on North Korea, Joseph Yun, traveled to Pyongyang and demanded the student's release on humanitarian grounds, capping a flurry of secret diplomatic contacts, a U.S. official said last week.

Tensions between the United States and North Korea have been heightened by dozens of North Korean missile launches and two nuclear bomb tests since the beginning of last year. Pyongyang has also vowed to develop a nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the U.S. mainland.

Susan Thornton, the U.S. acting assistant secretary of state for East Asia, said earlier on Monday that the United States was concerned for the welfare of the three other U.S. citizens still held in North Korea - Korean-Americans Tony Kim, Kim Dong Chul and Kim Hak Song.

Scooter wrote:The penalties that the PRK imposes in such cases are grotesquely harsh, granted, but should we be expending political and diplomatic capital on saving these idiots from their own stupidity?

I'm frustrated at his father's blaming the Obama administration; obviously the welfare of one irresponsible individual does not rise above the welfare of millions of citizens on whose behalf diplomacy is conducted.

The War of Jenkins' Ear
(from Wikipedia)

The War of Jenkins' Ear (known as Guerra del Asiento in Spain) was a conflict between Britain and Spain lasting from 1739 to 1748, with major operations largely ended by 1742.  Its unusual name, coined by Thomas Carlyle in 1858, refers to an ear severed from Robert Jenkins, a captain of a British merchant ship.  Despite stories to that effect, there is no evidence the severed ear was exhibited before the British Parliament.

The seeds of conflict began with the separation of an ear from Jenkins following the boarding of his vessel by Spanish coast guards in 1731, eight years before the war began.  Popular response to the incident was tepid until several years later when opposition politicians and the British South Sea Company hoped to spur outrage against Spain, believing that a victorious war would improve Britain’s trading opportunities in the Caribbean.  Also ostensibly providing the impetus to war against the Spanish Empire was a desire to pressure the Spanish not to renege on the lucrative asiento contract, which gave British slavers permission to sell slaves in Spanish America.

The war resulted in heavy British casualties in North America.  After 1742, the war was subsumed by the wider War of the Austrian Succession, which involved most of the powers of Europe.  Peace arrived with the Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle in 1748.  From the British perspective, the war was notable because it was the first time that a regiment of colonial American troops was raised and placed "on the Establishment" — i.e., made a part of the regular British Army — and sent to fight outside North America.

On June 15, 1859, exactly thirteen years after the adoption of the Oregon Treaty, the ambiguity led to direct conflict. Lyman Cutlar, an American farmer who had moved onto the island claiming rights to live there under the Donation Land Claim Act, found a large black pig rooting in his garden. He had found the pig eating his tubers. This was not the first occurrence. Cutlar was so upset that he took aim and shot the pig, killing it. It turned out that the pig was owned by an Irishman, Charles Griffin, who was employed by the Hudson's Bay Company to run the sheep ranch.

He also owned several pigs that he allowed to roam freely. The two had lived in peace until this incident. Cutlar offered $10 to Griffin to compensate for the pig, but Griffin was unsatisfied with this offer and demanded $100. Following this reply, Cutlar believed he should not have to pay for the pig because the pig had been trespassing on his land.... When British authorities threatened to arrest Cutlar, American settlers called for military protection.

Brigadier General William S. Harney, commanding the Department of Oregon, initially dispatched 66 American soldiers of the 9th Infantry under the command of Captain George Pickett to San Juan Island with orders to prevent the British from landing. Concerned that a squatter population of Americans would begin to occupy San Juan Island if the Americans were not kept in check, the British sent three warships under the command of Captain Geoffrey Hornby to counter the Americans.... By August 10, 1859, 461 Americans with 14 cannon under Colonel Silas Casey were opposed by five British warships mounting 70 guns and carrying 2,140 men. During this time, no shots were fired.

...Local commanding officers on both sides had been given essentially the same orders: defend yourselves, but absolutely do not fire the first shot. For several days, the British and U.S. soldiers exchanged insults, each side attempting to goad the other into firing the first shot, but discipline held on both sides, and thus no shots were fired.

under the command of Captain George Pickett

MajGenl.Meade wrote:Perhaps a better analogy?
...

Sanity prevailed and everyone agreed that warfare over a dead pig was stupid.