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He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:27 pm
by Lord Jim
CNN severs ties with Jeffrey Lord

CNN severed ties with Jeffrey Lord on Thursday, hours after he ignited controversy by tweeting the words "Sieg Heil!" at a prominent liberal activist.

"Nazi salutes are indefensible," a CNN spokesperson said in a statement. "Jeffrey Lord is no longer with the network."

Lord said his tweet was misunderstood. He said he was mocking fascists, not acting like one.

"I love CNN, but I feel they are caving to bullies here," he said in a telephone interview shortly after the network's decision was announced.

Lord said his contract was set to expire at the end of the year. He said he greatly respected CNN management despite disagreeing with the decision.

This is not the first time CNN has cut ties with a prominent personality on the network due to an offensive tweet.

Earlier this year CNN cancelled Reza Aslan's documentary series "Believer" after he posted profane anti-Trump tweets.


Lord, a former Reagan administration staffer, had been one of CNN's best-known commentators. He was the first explicitly pro-Donald Trump commentator to join the network, back in August 2015, two months after Trump entered the GOP primary race. At the time Lord was a counterweight to CNN's other conservative commentators, who were all dismissive of Trump's candidacy.

Other pro-Trump voices joined the network later. But Lord always stood out from the pack -- for his interpretations of history and his intense exchanges with commentators like Van Jones on "Anderson Cooper 360" and other programs.

Lord, a columnist for The American Spectator, has been harshly critical of the activist he tweeted at, Angelo Carusone, and the liberal group of which Carusone is president, Media Matters for America.

Lord and Carusone have had many sharp disagreements. Media Matters has repeatedly condemned Lord and criticized CNN for employing him as a commentator.

Earlier this week the two men got into another entanglement on Twitter, specifically over Media Matters' past financial support from George Soros.

Carusone told Lord that one of his columns was "full of lies" and said "Soros gave us one donation one time...in 2010."

Lord wrote a follow-up column for The American Spectator on Thursday morning, calling Carusone's group the "Media Matters Fascists," casting them as "anti-free speech bigots who, in typical fascist style, make it their mission to shut down speech they don't like."

Media Matters has been promoting an ad boycott against Fox News host Sean Hannity, a friend of Lord's.

Lord said Carusone was playing a "fascist game" by targeting Hannity's sponsors, and said Media Matters has been doing it for years against other conservatives.

"This is America, Angelo. Not Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany or Communist Russia," he wrote.

Lord tweeted the column at Carusone, who responded, "Your headline has a mistake in it." Carusone asked, "Why do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't take yourself seriously."

Lord's response was "Sieg Heil!"

The tweet caused a Twitter storm. There was renewed criticism both of Lord, personally, and of CNN for having him on the payroll.

Carusone tweeted on Thursday afternoon and said "CNN does not seem to hold Jeffrey Lord to any kind of standard."

Under withering criticism from others on social media, Lord did not backtrack from the Nazi reference.

He repeatedly told commenters that he was "mocking Nazis and Fascists."

He asked, "Why would I delete something that mocks the Fascists at Media Matters Fascists?"

Later, in a telephone interview with CNN, Lord said, "I think these people are very dangerous."

"They run around bullying people, bullying advertisers to take people off the air," he added.

Of the offensive tweet, he said, "I'm mocking people who are posing a serious threat to the American free press. That's what I'm mocking."


Another Trump-supporting conservative commentator, Kayleigh McEnany, recently left CNN under unrelated circumstances.

McEnany asked to be let out of her CNN contract to become the spokeswoman for the RNC.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/10/media/j ... index.html

I'm no fan of Jefferey Lord's. I've posted some pretty vociferous criticism of him here; I find him to be completely unprincipled in his willingness to make himself an questioning defender of everything Trump says and does, clearly for the purpose of financial benefit.

And no one has a "right" to be a commentator on a cable news channel. CNN is a private business, and they have a right to dismiss their on-air personnel whenever they feel that individual is damaging to their business.

But all of that having been said, this looks like a pretty horseshit reason to get rid of him. For once I find Lord's explanation to be entirely truthful when one looks at the context of what he said. I don't personally agree with the idea that organizing advertiser boycotts (whether done by the left or the right) are "fascist" or "Un-American" but I also don't blame somebody who is the target of one for being pissed about it.

It seems to me that CNN is developing a pattern of being very quick to pull the trigger on firing any on-air person who generates controversy off-air. (I don't believe there's an ideological motivation behind this; as the article points out, the network recently yanked a left-winger's documentary series for the same reason. And there are a number other examples of CNN doing this, from Roger Stone to Kathy Griffith.... )

While again, I don't dispute CNN's right to take this approach, and there may be some cases so egregious that it would be justified, I don't think that the network is well serving the public, (or even it's own long term business interests) by narrowing the range of views that it has presented on-air by it's commentators. (Ana Novarro can get pretty "colorful"; is she going to be next?)

Over time this is just going to make what the channel offers more and more bland, and I can't see how that would be good for business...

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:39 pm
by rubato
His explanation is plausible but only if you grant him that he is REALLY inept at communicating. Could be. I thought they were already fed up and waiting for any decent reason at all to flush him out of their airwaves*.


yrs,
rubato

Why do we call radio and TV broadcasts "airwaves" anyway? It has nothing to do with air at all. Electromagnetic radiation passes through a vacuum even better than air. Some residual belief in phlogiston?

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:10 pm
by Bicycle Bill
rubato wrote:Why do we call radio and TV broadcasts "airwaves" anyway? It has nothing to do with air at all. Electromagnetic radiation passes through a vacuum even better than air. Some residual belief in phlogiston?
Because in the old days the signal was set out as a sine wave at a specific frequency; and since the vacuum of space doesn't begin to exist until an altitude of 62 miles (more or less)
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these waves were, in fact, passing through air.  Hence, 'airwaves'.

It's the same reason we refer to 'dialing a phone', even though rotary-dial phones (except as novelties or collectibles) haven't been seen for over a quarter-century.  Old habits are hard to break.
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Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:13 pm
by rubato
"Airwaves" are waves of air pressure, like sound waves, which are propagated through air. "Dialing a phone" is at least historically accurate, we used to dial phones, there is no similar justification for calling radio and television transmissions "airwaves".


yrs,
rubato

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:22 am
by Burning Petard
Come on, Rubato, next you are gonna tell me I can't say anything about the beautiful sunset or the ends of the earth.

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Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:12 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Waves (radio waves) reach my radio (how old fashioned of me). It is surrounded by air on all conceivable sides, tops, bottoms and whatever other bits there are. So the waves must travel through the air. So they are air waves. If they traveled through water, they'd be water waves. That's all

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:22 am
by Joe Guy
"Airwaves" is not a technical term. It refers to signals that are transmitted remotely and received on a device without the use of a cable.

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Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:09 am
by Econoline
Also too...people on TV often claim to be "on air" when they are obviously sitting or standing on something solid.

He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:24 am
by RayThom
Not to mention "Off Air"

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Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:57 am
by BoSoxGal
There's something you don't see anymore . . .





They're here!

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:02 am
by MajGenl.Meade
And Airedales are actually animals made of dog.

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:31 am
by Joe Guy
And a debonair man is not made of debon air.

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:55 am
by Gob
rubato wrote:"Airwaves" are waves of air pressure, like sound waves, which are propagated through air. "Dialing a phone" is at least historically accurate, we used to dial phones, there is no similar justification for calling radio and television transmissions "airwaves".


yrs,
rubato

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Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:20 am
by ex-khobar Andy
Gob wrote:
rubato wrote:"Airwaves" are waves of air pressure, like sound waves, which are propagated through air. "Dialing a phone" is at least historically accurate, we used to dial phones, there is no similar justification for calling radio and television transmissions "airwaves".


yrs,
rubato

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That does allow me to tell my favourite science joke.

Heisenberg and Schrodinger are out for a drive in the Black Forest. Heisenberg has a bit of a lead foot and of course they are pulled over by the polizei.

"Do you know how fast you were going, sir?" says the cop.

"No, but I know where I am" Heisenberg offers.

Confused but trying to stay on track, the policeman tells him: "You were doing 140 kph!"

"Oh great" says Heisenberg. "Now I don't know where I am."

By now the cop is very suspicious of these two. "OK, pop the trunk for me." He goes round the back and lifts the lid. He comes back to the window carrying something.

"Did you know you've got a dead cat in there?"

Schrodinger groans. "Well now we do!"

He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:46 am
by RayThom
That's funny stuff. Quantum theory humor is some of the best, relativistic speaking, of course.

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:04 pm
by rubato
MajGenl.Meade wrote:And Airedales are actually animals made of dog.

Airedales are named for their presumed origin the city of Airedale located on the Aire river. It is a place in the UK which ones learns from history, was once considered a world power.


yrs,
rubato

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:08 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
... and then there are air heads and people full of hot air. In fact, neither head nor person is full of air, despite appearances!

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:17 pm
by Sue U
MajGenl.Meade wrote:And Airedales are actually animals made of dog.
Hmmm, I have an animal made of dog, but it isn't an Airedale. (She is mostly full of shihtzu, but also a total bichon.)

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:20 pm
by Lord Jim
and then there are air heads and people full of hot air.
And some who manage to be both...

Re: He'll Probably Find A Home On FOX...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:41 pm
by Econoline
rubato wrote:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:And Airedales are actually animals made of dog.
Airedales are named for their presumed origin the city of Airedale located on the Aire river. It is a place in the UK which ones learns from history, was once considered a world power.

yrs,
rubato
The Aire river is actually a water river. I just looked it up.