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The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:05 am
by BoSoxGal
Trump voters none too pleased with the chump they elected.

Trump focus group soundly critical
Voters in the Pittsburgh area, including several who voted for President Trump, vented frustration with his administration and ability to lead the country in a new focus group study conducted by Emory University and reported by NBC News.

The voters used words to describe Trump that included "dishonest," "narcissistic," "off-the-scale," "an abject disappointment," "contemptible" and "unbelievable."

Out of the 12 participants, five cast a vote for Trump in last year's presidential election. Each participant who backed Trump spoke of worries about the president's inability to break the gridlock in Washington, D.C.

"What most disappoints me is he's such an incredibly flawed individual who has articulated so many of the values that I hold dear," Tony Sciullo said, according to NBC.

Sciullo voted for Trump and is the participant who described him as "an abject disappointment."

Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who conducted the focus group on Tuesday for Emory University, said Trump is "supposed to be the voice of hope."

"What everybody said, either directly or indirectly, was that his presidency is about him and it's not about us," Hart said.

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:53 am
by BoSoxGal

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:02 am
by BoSoxGal
Some respondents to a new survey described President Donald Trump as “contemptible” and “crazy.”
Pittsburgh focus group tanks Trump
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 08/29/2017 10:00 PM EDT - POLITICO

“Outrageous,” “disastrous,” “abject disappointment,” “unique,” “off the scale,” “contemptible,” “crazy”: Donald Trump seems to have lost Pittsburgh, at least based on a focus group held in the city Tuesday night.

The group, a mix of people who voted for Trump or Hillary Clinton (plus one Jill Stein voter), came down hard on the president and Vice President Mike Pence during the session, sponsored by Emory University. Three people called Pence a “puppet,” and several used variations of “waiting in the wings,” though he was also called “quiet” and “reasonable.”

To a lesser degree, the voters also complained about Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. Asked to grade Congress, participants gave a collection of Cs, Ds and Fs, with most complaining that nothing is getting done.

Not many knew much about special counsel Robert Mueller, who’s leading the Russia investigation, but several singled out Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, as a problem due to his inexperience.

Trump won Pennsylvania last year by 44,000 votes, the first Republican to carry the state since 1988. He cited his support in Steel City earlier this year at the White House, explaining his decision to pull out of the international climate accord by saying, "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."

Emory is sponsoring a series of focus groups focused on issues, including immigration.

Brian Rush, a registered Republican, said he voted for Trump as a way of sticking it to the status quo, but not because the president would have been his first choice.

“I look at a president to be presidential, someone who is calm, focused. Ronald Reagan came in as an actor, but he goes down as one of our better presidents,” he said. “He came in not as a politician. In some aspects, [Trump is] almost turning into a politician in a different way, saying things he thinks his base wants to hear. He’s let me down.”

With the exception of two people who, in expressing optimism, cited their own recent upswing in business, the group painted a dark picture of its sense of America right now, using words like “chaotic,” “scary,” “tense” and "embarrassing."

“What has taken my breath away in this conversation is Donald Trump tells us the base is with him, that he has his core supporters. Well, I’m looking at a half a dozen of you, and I haven’t heard any defense of Donald Trump,” Peter Hart, a veteran Democratic pollster who conducted the group, told them at one point.

Hart turned to the Trump voters in the room, asking them to explain how Trump had lost them.

“I traditionally am in the ‘give the guy a chance’” group, said David Turner, who works in construction, lamenting what he said was a missed opportunity by the White House to push out good news about the president. “His learning curve has been a little disappointing, meaning he hasn’t caught on like everyone has said here, ‘If he did this, he’d be OK.’”

Protesters supporting immigration reform are pictured. | Jacquelyn Martin/AP Photo.

Tony Sciullo, an independent who leans Republican and described his vote for Trump as being driven by opposition to Clinton, said that looking back on last year, “We must have been at a low moral ebb to have these two Hobbesian choices.”

As for Trump’s base, he added: “I believe that some of them are actually good people. … They’re missing a lot of the points that most of us feel are not subtle.”

Christina Lees, a Republican leaning independent, said she’d gotten tired of Trump.

“We know he’s a nut. Everyone knew he was a nut. But there comes a point in time when you have to become professional. He’s not professional, forget about presidential,” she said.

Several participants backed stringent restrictions on immigration and banning social services for people who entered the United States illegally, while also expressing support for a path to citizenship.

They expressed concern and skepticism for Trump’s efforts on trade, North Korea and immigration. No one gave full support for Trump’s proposed wall on the Mexican border, which the president has now threatened to prompt a government shutdown to get Congress to fund.

Russell Stit, a Republican whose age was listed as 65-75, said he was a huge supporter of Trump’s "Make America Great Again" slogan and what he felt it represented. Eight months in, he’s confused.

“I guess I question what he’s trying to do. I don’t fully understand it,” he said. “The philosophy, give the guy a chance, is only the first 200 days to try to right the ship.”

Tuesday was the 221st day of Trump’s presidency.

Hart asked whether there’s a chance that Trump will get their votes back.

“He’s going to have to really get cracking,” Turner said.

“I hope and I pray that he will make a paradigm shift,” Sciullo said. “He is our president until and if he gets impeached."

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:57 am
by ex-khobar Andy
From the post above:
“We must have been at a low moral ebb to have these two Hobbesian choices.”
If only Trump were a tiny bit Hobbesian and Clinton more so. I think the interviewee meant Hobson's choice. (Traditionally based on one Hobson offering customers at his horse-rental establishment only one horse and not a choice; as in 'it's the Chevy Cobalt or nothing, pal').

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:15 pm
by Burning Petard
Politico? "Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who conducted the focus group"

Any doubts about degree of potential bias in this study?

snailgate

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:19 pm
by Lord Jim
I can't find it on Youtube, but here's a link where you can see a video of the focus group mentioned in the OP:

http://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/tr ... 6209731695

Nice to see that the act is wearing thin, and the kool aid is wearing off for some...

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:25 pm
by Guinevere
very good analysis of Trump polling and how to make sense of it

Excerpt:
Polling Donald Trump is one of the most difficult and confusing exercises in modern politics. In Trump, we have a guy who won the presidency by surprisingly beating the polls in key Rust Belt states, of course. We also have a guy who maintains the loyalty of his base despite major flaws that this base readily acknowledges. As I wrote in June 2016, nearly half of Trump supporters — 46 percent — said one or more of the following: He had made a racist comment, was prejudiced and/or was unqualified to be president. Not half of all voters; half of his supporters.

I wouldn't be the first to argue that those voters stuck by Trump because of rank partisanship, distaste for Hillary Clinton and emphasizing other priorities. But a new poll from the Pew Research Center shows just how conflicted Trump voters are these days about as well as any poll I've seen. And despite all those hot takes about how Trump's penchant for controversy represents some kind of multidimensional chess game, the poll shows the damage continues to be done. Trump's base clearly has reservations about him, and those reservations are causing it to deteriorate slowly — albeit more slowly than people perhaps thought.

Pew asked American adults how they felt about Trump's conduct in office: Whether they “liked” it, had “mixed feelings” or “didn't like it.” It won't surprise you to see about 6 in 10 (58 percent) don't like it; that tracks with the number of Americans who disapprove of Trump overall.

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:12 pm
by BoSoxGal
Here, by the way, is a skunk cabbage bloom - they show up as early as February on the still-snow-covered forest floor, one of the earliest wildflowers to emerge.

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Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:43 pm
by Lord Jim
Politico? "Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who conducted the focus group"

Any doubts about degree of potential bias in this study?
Perhaps SG, but this also tracks with the polling from numerous organizations that show large shifts from "strongly support" to "somewhat support" in Trump's approval ratings, as well as significant drops of support in key demographic groups (like white males and non-college educated voters).
Trump's base clearly has reservations about him, and those reservations are causing it to deteriorate slowly — albeit more slowly than people perhaps thought.
That's something I've been saying for a while...

There isn't going to be a single statement or action that's going to cause a "tipping point" and bring on a hemorrhage in Trump's base support...(If there were going to be, it certainly would have happened by now)

It's going to be a a process of attrition, as more time passes and more and more of his supporters come to see that he's not going to deliver on his key promises, and as his accumulated atrocious behavior becomes something that more and more of his supporters decide they cannot stomach.

All the indications are that this process is underway.

Re: The bloom is off the skunk cabbage . . .

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:06 am
by Econoline
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