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Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:15 pm
by Lord Jim
couldn't
possibly get any
worse...
Carter volunteers to help solve tensions with North Korea
Former President Jimmy Carter says he is open to working with President Trump to solve the growing tensions between the U.S. and North Korea.
In an interview with The New York Times' Maureen Dowd, Carter said he would go to the country to work on negotiations.
“I would go, yes,” Carter said. He pointed to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's unpredictability as a major reason why diplomacy was so necessary.
“I’m afraid, too, of a situation,” he continues. “I don’t know what they’ll do. Because they want to save their regime. And we greatly overestimate China’s influence on North Korea. Particularly to Kim Jong-un. He’s never, so far as I know, been to China.”
Despite efforts from the Obama administration and the Trump administration to pressure North Korea, the country has held several major weapons tests in recent months. Carter said that North Korea's evolving technology makes the problem more pressing than ever.
“I think he’s now got advanced nuclear weaponry that can destroy the Korean Peninsula and Japan, and some of our outlying territories in the Pacific, maybe even our mainland,” Carter said.
Carter also said he's let Trump's national security adviser H.R. McMaster know that he is "available" if they need a diplomatic envoy to North Korea.
[Yeah, you sit by your phone waiting for that call Cornpone...]
“I told him that I was available if they ever need me,” Carter told the paper.
Carter's comments come weeks after it was reported by a South Korean newspaper that he had volunteered to meet with Kim Jong-un.
“Should former President Carter be able to visit North Korea, he would like to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and discuss a peace treaty between the United States and the North and a complete denuclearization of North Korea,” a University of Georgia professor who spoke with Carter told the paper.
http://thehill.com/policy/international ... orth-korea

Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:50 pm
by Lord Jim
Here's how much Carter is willing to suck Trump-ass to try to get Il Boobce to give him some kind of role:
4. 'I think the media have been harder on Trump'
It appears that Carter defended Trump a few times during the interview.
Carter said Trump's relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin doesn't bother him.
"At the Carter Center," he told the Times, "we deal with Putin and the Russians quite frequently concerning Syria."
He praised Trump for taking the initiative to reach out to Saudi Arabia and said the President has been under a stricter spotlight than his predecessors.
"I think the media have been harder on Trump than any other president certainly that I've known about," Carter replied. "I think they feel free to claim that Trump is mentally deranged and everything else without hesitation."[With good reason, you butt-licking moron]
But he said that Trump was deepening racial divisions in the US.
"Yes, I think he is exacerbating it," he said.
"But maybe not deliberately."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/22/politics/ ... index.html
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:48 pm
by Darren
I doubt weird hair cut guy is interested in woodworking.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:00 pm
by Big RR
Well Jim he's getting up in years, so it had to happen, he's losing it (or in your case he's losing what little he had. I was first going to say he couldn't do much worse than Trump has done with NK, but those comments show me he has likely lost his grip on reality.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:10 pm
by Darren
Big RR wrote:Well Jim he's getting up in years, so it had to happen, he's losing it (or in your case he's losing what little he had. I was first going to say he couldn't do much worse than Trump has done with NK, but those comments show me he has likely lost his grip on reality.
Carter means well. In the past negotiations with North Korea have always been kicking the can down the road. The regime needs money. When they can't move enough counterfeit money or drugs they shake the nuclear money tree for more dollars in some form. Meanwhile they sell technology to others like Iran. That needs to stop. Unfortunately North Korea has few choices for foreign exchange to support the regime and its military. That's the Gordian knot.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:28 pm
by Big RR
True, and he also is only the envoy of the president he is representing. These are not his personal North Korean policies, but what Carter can do reasonably well is to present them in a way that the other side has to listen and consider them. He showed this ability with getting the Camp David Accords finalized and in a number of other situations.
My comment was directed toward his defense of Trump; the media have been harder on Trump than any other president? Please. Carter is divorced from reality; I'll admit he's not being treated any better, but likewise he is not being treated any worse.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:53 pm
by Darren
Big RR wrote:True, and he also is only the envoy of the president he is representing. These are not his personal North Korean policies, but what Carter can do reasonably well is to present them in a way that the other side has to listen and consider them. He showed this ability with getting the Camp David Accords finalized and in a number of other situations.
My comment was directed toward his defense of Trump; the media have been harder on Trump than any other president? Please. Carter is divorced from reality; I'll admit he's not being treated any better, but likewise he is not being treated any worse.
I don't think there's room to negotiate. The North Koreans have proven over time that their nuclear ability and its development is negotiable only to the extent they promise not to test. Then they do it anyway. It's self preservation for the regime. Why would they compromise their existence. Trump has the bad luck of dealing with something that previous presidents have allowed to continue. He can kick the can down the road at the risk of North Korea developing ICBMs. What do we do then? With the known potential of an EMP strike we're screwed.
Nothing has happened to lessen our vulnerability since the release of the government report years ago.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:21 pm
by Big RR
I honestly don't know what can be negotiated (nor do I know why NK would want to negotiate when they see how we honor previous agreements dealing with nuclear technology--namely Iran), but I do know name calling and threats are not the way to deal with this situation, nor is military action. Broad based economic sanctions are one alternative, but that would mean we would have to try and put together a group of countries that would cooperate with us--unlikely with the current White House occupant trying his best to isult and piss off every other country's leaders.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:21 pm
by Darren
Big RR wrote:I honestly don't know what can be negotiated (nor do I know why NK would want to negotiate when they see how we honor previous agreements dealing with nuclear technology--namely Iran), but I do know name calling and threats are not the way to deal with this situation, nor is military action. Broad based economic sanctions are one alternative, but that would mean we would have to try and put together a group of countries that would cooperate with us--unlikely with the current White House occupant trying his best to isult and piss off every other country's leaders.
Trade restrictions/sanctions might help. That won't topple the regime. Their willingness to kill potential adversaries in gruesome ways while groups are forced to watch doesn't incline others to regime change. We gave them oil previously which didn't stop their nuclear program. Ultimately we face the possibility of a reversion to the 1800's via an EMP strike which will decimate this country. Our vulnerability is well known. We need to take advantage of the technology we funded through the Israelis and implement our own Iron Dome system.
One positive aspect is Japan's increasing naval force. The new aircraft carriers are especially troubling to China. It's rumored that if push comes to shove Japan could develop nuclear weapons in a very short time frame. That may be a card to force the Chinese to take out the Nork regime and install a puppet.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:45 am
by rubato
It may be surprising but NK has one of the largest submarine fleets in the world. They are diesel-electric and obsolete compared to the US. We should just sink every one of them that leaves port and say not a word about it while their anxiety mounts.
yrs,
rubato
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:56 am
by Darren
rubato wrote:It may be surprising but NK has one of the largest submarine fleets in the world. They are diesel-electric and obsolete compared to the US. We should just sink every one of them that leaves port and say not a word about it while their anxiety mounts.
yrs,
rubato
Diesel electric boats are among the most quiet of submarines. In multinational exercises foreign subs have hit our carriers. I'm not sure we can always locate and track the Nork submarines.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:22 pm
by Big RR
If I recall, however, the diesel electric subs must surface (or at least almost surface) fairly often to recharge their batteries and thus would be easier to track than nuclear subs. I know battery technology is getting better, but if these are older subs, I doubt they have a very long submerged time (a few days at best).
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:38 pm
by Darren
Big RR wrote:If I recall, however, the diesel electric subs must surface (or at least almost surface) fairly often to recharge their batteries and thus would be easier to track than nuclear subs. I know battery technology is getting better, but if these are older subs, I doubt they have a very long submerged time (a few days at best).
A few days is all it would take to send one of our aircraft carriers to Davy Jones locker with an enormous loss of life given the crew of over 6,000. Aircraft carriers are floating bombs given the large quantities of aircraft fuel and munitions onboard. Historically we're at another time of change that in the past saw the battleship give way to the aircraft carrier. Just as the Navy didn't recognize the change previously it's ignoring changes now. The new lesson is bigger is not necessarily better.
We swarmed the Japanese Navy in WWII. Today we can't swarm an adversary. Redundancy was a given in smaller ships such as destroyers. High pressure steam drove ships with multiple boiler and engine rooms. That's all been replaced by gas turbines. It's great for minimizing crew. Not so good at survivability demonstrated by the two recent collisions.
In the 60's, 70's the Navy built ships with aluminum superstructures. The Belknap-Kennedy collision and aftermath proved the folly of that. Now we've gone back to aluminum.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:50 pm
by rubato
I would vote for our ability to track and sink them over NKs ability to hide. I believe we also use thermal and other methods of tracking
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:10 pm
by Darren
rubato wrote:I would vote for our ability to track and sink them over NKs ability to hide. I believe we also use thermal and other methods of tracking
Let's subcontract the job out to the Chinese. Then they can do the nation building, exploitation, whatever.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:44 pm
by Scooter
There was some international relations analyst I heard a few months ago who stated plainly what the stakes are - there is no foreseeable resolution in North Korea that doesn't involve the incineration of 10 million people in Seoul.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:47 pm
by Darren
Scooter wrote:There was some international relations analyst I heard a few months ago who stated plainly what the stakes are - there is no foreseeable resolution in North Korea that doesn't involve the incineration of 10 million people in Seoul.
That's the primary problem. That's why a takeover by the Chinese is preferred. The Norks haven't fortified the border with China. The only question is how long would it take the Chinese hordes to capture weird haircut guy. After the Nork god is locked up, the rest won't have any reason to resist.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:27 am
by Scooter
The question is do the Chinese want their own version of what the Russians found when they tried to bring their puppet government in Afghanistan to heel.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:30 am
by BoSoxGal
I would think that the vast majority of the North Korean people would ultimately welcome ‘liberation’ by the Chinese - how fucking crazy is that?! The Chinese regime isn’t great, but most Chinese people - even the rural poor - eat on a fairly regular basis.
Re: Just When I Thought The Situation With North Korea...
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:52 am
by Scooter
How much does the average North Korean know about what life is like outside their borders? Who can say what 70+ years of indoctrination and being cut off from the outside world has wrought on the psyche of a people? They might be prepared to die to the last man, woman and child in defense against any "invader".