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The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:22 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
The Asshole Theory of Profits
I’m reading Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond and it’s wonderful. You should read it too if you haven’t already.
In the middle of the book is a section in which the likely profit of one of the two slumlords Desmond tracks is estimated. Roughly speaking, he takes in about half a million net of all expenses from a single trailer park south of Milwaukee. To do this he has to make decisions every day that crush the lives of desperately poor people. (Yes, people with drug issues, chaotic family lives and spotty maintenance habits, but real, breathing human beings all the same.) He evicts some who have no place to go. He charges rents that absorb nearly all the renter’s monthly income. He skimps on repairs. He does things that most of us could never do, and his reward is an income a lot higher than ours.
So what is the economic explanation for raking in half a million with relatively little work or skill? He paid just over two million for the entire park, so his rate of return is 25%—rather more than the opportunity cost of capital. In a competitive economy, either there would be a flood of new trailer parks built to chase these superprofits, or, if that were prevented by regulation, the price of the property would be bid up so its return was back to normal. We need to understand this.
That’s where my asshole theory comes in. There are a lot of highly lucrative opportunities out there that require you to basically sell your soul, to act like a jerk. These are businesses or managerial jobs where you gouge money out of people or force them to work longer and harder or more dangerously than they want. Your kid is sick and you want to stay home with him? Do that and you’re looking for another job. I’m sorry, putting on that gear each time you’re exposed to this machine takes too long; if you don’t like the risk go somewhere else. It’s not my problem you had to pay the utility to keep your heat on and you don’t have enough for rent this month; you’re out of here. Most of us can’t do this, but a few can.
Incidentally, this should not be thought of as a compensating differential process. Whatever their initial feelings, people who choose this way of life quickly become inured to it and may even derive some pleasure from taking out their frustrations on those below. You can see this in the portrait of the other slumlord in Desmond’s book, who started out with a bit of idealism but is being transformed, step by step, into someone who sees herself meting out justice when she throws tenants out into the street. In winter. In Milwaukee.
My theory is it’s a scarcity rent, pure and simple. There’s a shortage of qualified assholes, and the ones who have what it takes to do these jobs earn the rewards. Indifference to the hardship of others could be described as a form of human capital, and it earns a high return in an exploitive society.
Posted by Peter Dorman at 1:26 PM
I just found this at
http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2016/09/ ... ofits.html
Posted in September 2016.
Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:26 pm
by Burning Petard
I look at this slum lord as perhaps an asshole, but definitely a good follower of the "Opportunity Gospel" school of Christianity. see Matthew 15:14-20 and Luke 19:12-19. Generally known as the parable of the talents. The lesson leaned is that a 100% return on investment is barely acceptable.
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Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:45 am
by rubato
Capitalist economics is based on a theory of behavior. It is not a moral theory. It can explain but does not justify behavior. It is a useful and even a powerful tool for designing social systems but must be moderated by a sense of justice and humane behavior.
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I worked for a company which made electronic materials to build computer chips and we used the "value" theory of pricing, meaning that if we solved a problem which saved 100$ we would sell it for $50 (as an example) and our customers would gladly pay even if it cost it 20 cents to make it. At the time I said "wow this is great. I'm just glad I'm not making life-saving drugs only a shit heel would exploit sick people like that". Now in the computer business we were not exploiting anyone. In fact we were contributing to the rapid fall in the costs of every-faster chips which is a net good. In the intervening years drug companies have discovered the "value" theory of pricing which has caused epipens to multiply in price from $100 to $650 and a Hepatitis C -cure- to be sold for $84,000 to $160,000 per patient. An evil outcome.
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Capitalism has to exist within regulatory boundaries which preserve our basic sense of justice and humane behavior. We don't want to go back to the dust bowl when farmers literally worked people to death by starvation << because they could >>.
yrs,
rubato
Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:49 am
by rubato
Burning Petard wrote:I look at this slum lord as perhaps an asshole, but definitely a good follower of the "Opportunity Gospel" school of Christianity. see Matthew 15:14-20 and Luke 19:12-19. Generally known as the parable of the talents. The lesson leaned is that a 100% return on investment is barely acceptable.
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I don't see anything in the parable of the talents which promotes exploitation. Only that talents should be used to their most productive purpose.
yrs,
rubato
The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:06 am
by RayThom
Burning Petard wrote:I look at this slum lord as perhaps an asshole, but definitely a good follower of the "Opportunity Gospel" school of Christianity. see Matthew 15:14-20 and Luke 19:12-19. Generally known as the parable of the talents. The lesson leaned is that a 100% return on investment is barely acceptable.
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The Gospel according to Reverend Ike.

Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:56 pm
by Burning Petard
Rubato, you are depending on contemporary use of the word talent. When this story took place a "talent" was a unit of weight, or that weight in silver as a monetary unit, it was about SIXTY POUNDS of pure silver. In the story in Matthew, the money was huge, more than the lifetime earnings of an ordinary laborer. The story in Luke is a smaller unit a minas, about 60 minas equal to one talent. The story is specifically about return on investment for a a'master' who is notorious for 'reaping where he did not sow." Do you have a better metaphor for exploitation of workers?
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Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:05 pm
by Lord Jim
Gee, this has never happened before, (and will probably never happen again) but I'm going to have to rise to defend rube on a point related to
religion...
SG, it's true that the Biblical story is
literally about "talents" as a unit of money, and
literally about an earthly "master" and his "servants", but that's not really what the story is about...
It's not intended to be taken literally; that's what makes it a "parable"....
The story is not really about money and, it's not really about an earthly master and his servants...
It's really about the gifts, ("talents" in the modern sense, good fortune, etc) that one receives from God and the relationship between The Lord and mankind...
This description of the meaning of the parable, is the way I have always understood the meaning:
the parable of the talents has been seen as an exhortation to Jesus' disciples to use their God-given gifts in the service of God, and to take risks for the sake of the Kingdom of God. These gifts have been seen to include personal abilities ("talents" in the everyday sense), as well as personal wealth. Failure to use one's gifts, the parable suggests, will result in judgment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_o ... s_or_minas
Here's the footnoted wiki source:
Arland J. Hultgren, The Parables of Jesus: A Commentary, Eerdmans Publishing, 2002, ISBN 0-8028-6077-X, pp. 271-281.
Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:51 pm
by Burning Petard
Yep. That is the traditional Religious way to make the story palatable for us today. And why is it not actually about money? Look at the context of the story, at least for Matthew, it is clear that this is a story about final judgement. That story was a significant cause for Carnegie Libraries. Several different stories are grouped together here. One has a big wedding with guests thrown out for wearing the wrong clothes. This is not about using your musical talent to perform in a praise band on sunday morning. Jesus did not get along well with traditional religionists. Bonhoeffer predicted, partially, our current general condition in the West where many may be spiritual but are not religious. Certainly, even in the traditional current 'Christian' mainstream view of the Talents parable, those with small talents are screwed. All of the parables of the New Testament gospels were given in a context tha makes clear they were intended to make the audience squirm and understand that their default pattern of behavior, specially when it was blessed and approved by contemporary authority, was not what Jesus was teaching or confirming.
I balance this with the old testament view that the sins of the parents are visited on the children for 3 or 4 generations, but the love of G-d goes on for a thousand generations. (Think about that. A thousand generations is longer than they thought the universe had existed)
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Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:00 pm
by rubato
Burning Petard wrote:Rubato, you are depending on contemporary use of the word talent. When this story took place a "talent" was a unit of weight, or that weight in silver as a monetary unit, it was about SIXTY POUNDS of pure silver. In the story in Matthew, the money was huge, more than the lifetime earnings of an ordinary laborer. The story in Luke is a smaller unit a minas, about 60 minas equal to one talent. The story is specifically about return on investment for a a'master' who is notorious for 'reaping where he did not sow." Do you have a better metaphor for exploitation of workers?
snailgate
I know the biblical meaning of talent. I learned that as a child in parochial school. But the passage does not praise exploitation, period. It does not say that it was leant out at usurious rates in order to enslave people, for example. And the story generalizes very directly from "Talent" as a gift of money to "Talent" as any gift of ability or a material gift without any change in the meaning.
It does say that the master is a "hard man" reaping where he does now sow &c.
yrs,
rubato
Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:47 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Yep. That is the traditional Religious way to make the story palatable for us today. And why is it not actually about money? Look at the context of the story, at least for Matthew, it is clear that this is a story about final judgement
Well, yes as to the last point. But it's not actually about money because it didn't "actually" happen. It is, as we all agree, a parable..... i.e. an illustrative fictional tale that comments upon actual spiritual and salvation matters.
Certainly, even in the traditional current 'Christian' mainstream view of the Talents parable, those with small talents are screwed.
Ah, no. Each servant received identical talents. The difference was how they took opportunities to use them gainfully. The one who not only does not use his talent but in fact willfully buries it, knowing that's not what his master intended be done (and he is therefore in the spiritual sense denying God) has disobeyed the higher view of the law that Jesus preached.
And the parable of the wedding feast in Matthew is not "about" an actual wedding with actual people being thrown out of the hall for wearing the wrong clothes. It is about God gathering in from the poor and dispossessed, the good and the evil (including Gentiles), in the face of the refusal of his Chosen People to accept the invitation.
One person is not dressed for a wedding - all the others are. This is the symbol of the ones who pretend to faith but in fact are not "changed" spiritually - they show up just in their old sinful ways and think they can carry on as they always have. None of the other people, surprised as they were by the invite, failed to honor the event with "appropriate dress". Just one could not be bothered.
IMO
The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:41 pm
by RayThom
MajGenl.Meade wrote:... IMO
Yes, that's also how I interpret the bible. It means what you need it to mean.
Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:28 pm
by Burning Petard
Jesus, the rabbi and carpenter from Nazareth, was so disturbing to the power structure that they killed him. Now the power structure has had 2000 years to re-tell and re-construct his teachings to make them support the power structure. Many who have advocated actually doing the teachings have not faired well in their lifetime, such as Martin Luther King Jr, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, or even Mahatma Gandhi While Gandhi was not a believer in Christianity, he had the annoying propensity to ask those political leaders who claimed to be, why they did not act like Jesus.
It has produces such bewildering events as the 43rd president of the USofA, announcing that his primary foreign affairs advisor was Jesus Christ.
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Re: The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:07 am
by MajGenl.Meade
RayThom wrote:MajGenl.Meade wrote:... IMO
Yes, that's also how I interpret the bible. It means what you need it to mean.
You are confounding ignorance with modesty

The Asshole Theory of Profits
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:15 am
by RayThom
MajGenl.Meade wrote:RayThom wrote:MajGenl.Meade wrote:... IMO
Yes, that's also how I interpret the bible. It means what you need it to mean.
You are confounding ignorance with modesty.
Hey, it works for me... and I feel fine.
Remember, God helps those who help themselves. Zechariah 9:1-17
Amen.