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that the people who carried out the coup insist isn't a coup:
Zimbabwe's Mugabe, coup chief meet with smiles and handshakes

A smiling President Robert Mugabe was pictured shaking hands with Zimbabwe's military chief a day after the army seized power, throwing confusion over predictions that the 93-year-old's nearly four-decade rule had come to an end.

Mugabe unexpectedly drove from his lavish "Blue Roof" Harare compound in Harare, where he had been confined since troops took to the streets, to State House, where official media pictured him meeting military chief Constantino Chiwenga and South African ministers sent to mediate the crisis.

The official Herald newspaper carried no reports of the outcome of the meeting, leaving Zimbabwe's 13 million people in the dark as to what was happening as night fell on Thursday.

Mugabe is insisting he remains Zimbabwe's only legitimate ruler and is refusing to quit, but pressure was mounting on the former guerrilla to accept offers of a graceful exit, sources said on Thursday.

Earlier, a political source who spoke to senior allies holed up in the compound with Mugabe and his wife Grace said he had no plans to resign voluntarily ahead of elections due next year

"It's a sort of stand-off, a stalemate," the source said. "They are insisting the president must finish his term."

The army's takeover signaled the collapse in less than 36 hours of the security, intelligence and patronage networks that sustained Mugabe through 37 years in power and built him into the "Grand Old Man" of African politics.

A priest mediating between Mugabe and the generals, who seized power on Wednesday in what they called a targeted operation against "criminals" in Mugabe's entourage, has made little headway, a senior political source told Reuters.

Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai called for Mugabe's departure "in the interest of the people". In a statement read to reporters, Tsvangirai pointedly referred to him as "Mr Robert Mugabe", not president.

The army may want Mugabe, who has ruled Zimbabwe since independence in 1980, to go quietly and allow a smooth and bloodless transition to Emmerson Mnangagwa, the vice president Mugabe sacked last week triggering the political crisis.[Mnangagwa's nick name is "the Crocodile" so a big human rights advocate, he probably isn't....]

The main goal of the generals is to prevent Mugabe from handing power to his wife Grace, 41 years his junior, who has built a following among the ruling party's youth wing and appeared on the cusp of power after Mnangagwa was pushed out.

The last of Africa's state founders still in power from the era of the struggle against European colonization, Mugabe is still seen by many Africans as a liberation hero. But he is reviled in the West as a despot whose disastrous handling of the economy and willingness to resort to violence to maintain power pauperized one of Africa's most promising states.

Once a regional bread-basket, Zimbabwe saw its economy collapse in the wake of the seizure of white-owned farms in the early 2000s, followed by runaway money-printing that catapulted inflation to 500 billion percent in 2008.

Millions of Zimbabweans, from highly skilled bankers to semi-literate farmers, emigrated, mostly to neighboring South Africa, where an estimated 3 million still live.

After briefly stabilising under a 2009-2013 power-sharing government, when Mugabe was forced to work with the opposition, the economy has once again cratered, with dollars scarce, inflation surging, imports running out and queues outside banks.
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At 93, Mugabe has the distinction of being the only Head-of-State in the world who can refer to Queen Elizabeth as "The Kid"...
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It's even stranger being this much closer to it! But there are reasons for "coup" to be in inverted commas....

a. The army is working WITH Zanu-PF (or a large section of it) that wants to oust Uncle Bob and replace him with Emmerson Mnangagwa, the former VP and BBB (Bob's Bosom Buddy) who fell from favor largely on the instigation of disGrace. She is supported by a younger bloc of Zanu-PF while Emmerson, part of the older bloody thug mob, is supported by the er.... old bloody thugs.

b. Zanu-PF is anxious that this should not be seen as any kind of coup because the major African political and economic "unions" vow not to recognize any regime in any country that takes power by non-constitutional means. If Zim wants future assistance (and it badly needs it), then "no coup is good news".

So..... Zanu-PF fires Uncle Bob from the party (disGrace too). "Persuades" him to take a golden handshake and safe travel to somewhere less er.... primitive.... and taking his wife and awful children with him. Meantime, the duly appointed "leader" of Zanu-PF (Emmerson) has resumed the position of VP and .... mirabile dictu! there's a vacancy as President which can only be filled by... you guessed it.

Problem is, the "new" people are really the old people who have systematically ruined and raped Zimbabwe for the past 37 years.

As a Sunday Times on-line article stated today:
Mnangagwa is a mini-Mugabe. He was Mugabe's security chief during the 1980s when the Matabeleland massacres took place. The army chief Chiwenga is worse. He may be the chief of the army in Zimbabwe but he is not a soldier of the people - he is a Zanu-PF enforcer. In 2008, when it became clear that Mugabe was losing the parliamentary elections to the MDC's Morgan Tsvangirai, Chiwenga said he would not salute the opposition leader if he became president. Is this someone paving the way for a democratic dispensation? No.

These two men carried out the "coup" of the past week to continue Zanu-PF's looting and patronage of the past four decades. They did not do it for the millions of people who flooded the streets on Saturday.
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Thanks for posting that analysis Meade...

For the long suffering people of Zimbabwe, sadly it looks like, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"...
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Now that Mugabe has resigned it looks as if Mnangagwa will be president in a day or two. By all accounts he is as bad as Mugabe. It looks as if there will be no relief for the poor long suffering people of Zimbabwe.

We see this over and over again with the exception of South Africa in the days after apartheid. The guerilla leader who frees the people from the yoke of imperialism/ dastardly rule (exhibits A and B are Fidel Castro and Muammar Qadaffi) is lauded and elevated to the leadership of the people. Unfortunately the skills necessary to depose the old king (etc) are not the same set of skills necessary to guide a country's economy. When the strongman lasts almost indefinitely (other examples - Tito, Saddam) he finds that he can live on the love for a little while, but soon he needs to start repressive measures to keep down those who might threaten the revolution or just oppose his rule for (often) tribal reasons. We saw what happened to Iraq and Yugoslavia when the strongman was gone; what is still happening in Libya (a country I loved and where I met the most generous people I have ever known); we saw how the strongman in India (the British Raj) left a united country in two (now three) pieces; and what makes us think that Zimbabwe will not be riven by tribal forces?

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One could almost believe that Uncle Bob engineered the whole "clean slate; let bygones be big ones" guaranteed escape with the loot from Zim. How convenient that he "fired" Mnangagwa, his old crony, just in time for said M to become president, the point of coalescence for the "let our President go" mob.

I feel sure that disGrace was anxious NOT to stay in Zim once the aging Bob turned up his toes; much as she might have enjoyed being President, it's doubtful she'd have lasted long and she'd not dare leave the country to go shopping.

Our very own Zupta has offered Bob sanctuary in SA which he'd be a fool to accept other than as a transit point to... Singapore, maybe? It's difficult to believe he'd go to China but they have Feregamo there so disGrace might be happy, what with her poor feet that can only wear F shoes.

How true, Andy. Not every revolutionary leader is a Washington or Mandela, willing to step down without any fuss.
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(Is Zupta a play on Zuma and Gupta? Not heard it before.)

Anyway it's probably a good thing if he goes to RSA to live out his days in obscurity, one hopes. I also hope he can be legally separated from much of his loot but unfortunately he will become less attractive to the winsome Grace. Them's the breaks, motherfucker. I apologize to any mothers who may be offended by that remark - it was not my intention.

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Did he challenge you to a Basketball game? Or ask you to "volunteer" to carry him through town?

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Just be glad that he didn't invite you to dinner... :?
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It won't be long before Trump is tweeting how well he's doing compare to Zimbabwe.

"See, there has been no coup in Washington DC since I won the popular vote last year."
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Can’t see that last image but yes - are the people going to be any better off, really? We have filthy rich corrupt running the ‘best’ democracy on earth; it seems hardly likely that Zimbabwe will suddenly become a fair society.
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Mugabe is out, normally that would be a prima facie good thing except his successor is a less educated less intelligent but equally brutal version of himself. So it is a push. Sorry for the people of Zimbabwe. It is a very hard thing to get rid of corruption whether in the first world or the third world.


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rubato wrote: It is a very hard thing to get rid of corruption whether in the first world or the third world.
True of course. But I am beginning to think that maybe the new guy in charge in Saudi Arabia (Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman) might be the one who can finally achieve that there. So far they have arrested about 200 people and put them up in a luxury Riyadh hotel while they try to sort out the truth. They still have not released the names of those arrested apart from the superstars so I don't know if my one acquaintance in the royal family is among the detained or not. He is not one of the big fish - but an official UK govt report did name him as having skimmed a few tens of millions.

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But is getting rid of corruption different from moving it from from one generation to the next? It is a devilishly difficult problem.

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True of course, Rube; and it would have been more accurate if I had said that he might rein it in or put some sort of lid on it. After all MBS is the one who plonked down $450 mill for a yacht he happened to fancy. During my first stint in Saudi in the early eighties, oil was $30 a barrel and there were something like 6000 princes feeding at the public trough. 20 years later, when I went back for a second stint, oil was only a little more expensive in dollar terms and much cheaper in inflation adjusted dollars, and there were now supposedly 15000 princes all looking for their cut of the family fortune. That's what pissed off the average Saudi and in fact gave rise to the sort of resentment bin Laden fostered. From what I have read about Zimbabwe (never been there) that last cartoon MGM posted says it all: long live the new king, same as the old king.

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but an official UK govt report did name him as having skimmed a few tens of millions.
By House of Saud standards, that makes him a "poor relation"... 8-)
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ex-khobar Andy wrote:True of course, Rube; and it would have been more accurate if I had said that he might rein it in or put some sort of lid on it. After all MBS is the one who plonked down $450 mill for a yacht he happened to fancy. During my first stint in Saudi in the early eighties, oil was $30 a barrel and there were something like 6000 princes feeding at the public trough. 20 years later, when I went back for a second stint, oil was only a little more expensive in dollar terms and much cheaper in inflation adjusted dollars, and there were now supposedly 15000 princes all looking for their cut of the family fortune. That's what pissed off the average Saudi and in fact gave rise to the sort of resentment bin Laden fostered. From what I have read about Zimbabwe (never been there) that last cartoon MGM posted says it all: long live the new king, same as the old king.
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A great work of art. And a lie. And as a chemist a lie of a particular order. Marat had presented a paper to the Academie Francaise which was so poor that Lavoisier mocked it as worthless. Marat never forgave the slight and was instrumental in getting Lavoisier executed by the guilotine. When it was objected that Lavoisier was France's greatest scientist Marat said "France does not need great scientists" Sounding rather like modern Republicans. Or all Republicans if you think about it.

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When you look at the JL Davide paintings at the Louvre you have to respect the power and the art. But at the end he was a bad man. A truly evil shit but touched with greatness. It happens.

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