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No Fanatic Like A Convert...

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:46 pm
by Lord Jim
I've posted these surreal Trumpanzee focus groups from time to time...

They're always jaw dropping, and give me the feeling that I'm watching people who have transported to this time line from an alternative universe, where events have been completely different from what we have been experiencing here....

What makes this one particularly interesting to me is that it's made up entirely of former Democrats who switched registration to Republican because of Donald Trump... (folks like these..and independents who became Republicans because of Trump...are part of that 90% of "Republicans" that rube always likes to refer to as voting for Trump...while of course long time Republicans who decided to become independents because of Trump's nomination would not be counted in that exit polling...)

I watched this on CNN a couple of days ago. It's not on youtube, but you can see it at this link, (it's only about four minutes long)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... later.html

Here also is the transcript, but to get the full impact I really recommend watching the clip.

I apologize in advance for my overuse of the :loon emoji:
CNN Focus Group Of Trump Supporters: "Better Than I Ever Would Have Dreamt"

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Trump supporters speak with CNN's Martin Savidge about their thoughts on the President's progress and performance a year into office. The panel included two white males, a black woman, a white woman and a black male from Youngstown, Ohio. They range from pastor to student to machine worker.

All panelists agreed that immigration was a huge issue to them.

Transcript, via CNN:
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Anywhere you look in Youngstown are reminders of what's been lost: factories, jobs, the city's been lost: factories, jobs, the city's population is down by almost two-thirds from the 1950s.

The economy wasn't just disappearing here. So was a way of life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I realized that the core foundation of our country is slipping away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It got to a point where I did not like the direction that my country was going.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): The answer for many was Donald Trump. In 2016, according to the Mahoning County Board of Elections, approximately 7,000 registered Democrats switched parties to become Republicans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said he was going to make America first and he was going to bring jobs back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump said these are lousy trade deals. We fix that and the jobs can come back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something that he said that really sticks with me is that he wants to give the power back to the American people, and that's something that I can certainly get behind.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): I'm with a pastor and a stay-at-home mom, a student, a machine shop worker and a union member, Democrats who were raised in Democrat families, who crossed over to vote Trump.

SAVIDGE: We're one year, one year in. How is he doing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fantastic. :loon

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Phenomenal. :loon :loon

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Better than I ever would have dreamt. And I mean that sincerely. :loon :loon :loon

SAVIDGE: Really?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes.

SAVIDGE: Derek?

DEREK: Yes, I agree. :loon

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely. :loon

DEREK: Yes, he's doing wonderful. He's staying on task. :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon

SAVIDGE (voice-over): We start with the hot-button topic of the moment.

SAVIDGE: How big an issue to all of you is immigration?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Huge.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huge.

SAVIDGE: Really?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely.

SAVIDGE: In Youngstown, Ohio?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. And as far as I'm concerned, they're stealing jobs of rightful citizens.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): It is also about something else Trump voters say is important, rules and respect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I feel like when people come here illegally, that's just very disrespectful. You don't respect our laws and you shouldn't be able to come here free-wheeling like that.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): A year later, they all still want the wall. As for the president's inflammatory tweets and speech, Gino says he used to cringe. Not anymore.

SAVIDGE: So you don't cringe anymore because you've grown numb to it or --

GINO: No, not numb at all but I know what he's done and I'm starting to get an inkling why he uses Twitter in the way he does because if all he had to rely on is what people say about him, oh, my God, I might not like the guy. And I love the guy. I love the job he's doing. :loon :loon :loon

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Justice met Trump at a rally and says he is not a racist.

JUSTICE: He was just the nicest person and honestly, he could have -- if he was a racist, as everyone paints him out to be, he could have just walked right past me and not even said a word.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): What about the lies?

SAVIDGE: Well, let me ask you this, do you think he is a liar?

GINO: Do I think he's lied? No. :loon :loon :loon Do I think he's fallen short in some of his goals? We all do.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Economically, they say things are getting better. The stock market and their home values are up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Industries are booming everywhere I've seen.

SAVIDGE: I look around here and I don't see a boom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, in this area, no
, but I feel like there's small businesses that are starting to pick up.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): Derek says Trump's tax reform will fuel the recovery.

DEREK: If you expand your business in the inner city, so then my community will benefit from this tax cut.

SAVIDGE: Do you think the media gives the president a fair shake?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think so at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

SAVIDGE (voice-over): One year later, these voters couldn't be happier. They see achievement, most of all, they see a president like them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's like tenacious sometimes and says stuff off the cuff, like we do. Like real Americans do. We're not perfect. I'm tired of suave, I'm tired of polished, I'm tired of the teleprompter. I am, I want my country back.
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Re: No Fanatic Like A Convert...

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:12 pm
by Big RR
Honestly, that's the scariest thing. I have a friend who is a Trump supporter and for the life of me I cannot understand why; she's always been fairly conservative, and she's not stupid, but she supports Trump's policies. she will admit he's a jerk and goes overboard with the tweets and his inflammatory remarks, but she does think he can get things done (like tax reform, curbing undocumented immigration (even though both her parents came here illegally after WW2), making it easier for business to thrive, etc. It is impossible to discuss these things with her, so I avoid them (her husband is pretty aligned politically with her and was a big W supporter; he initially supported Trump, but is getting disgusted with the way he acts in office--which is what I thought she would do--he told me he would like to see a president pence, because Trump is is own worst enemy in getting things done). Maybe it's just people not wanting to admit they were wrong (like those in Jonestown who'd rather drink the kool aid), but it makes little sense to me. And when I see people like these singing the praises of the fantastic job he has done, I sincerely fear for the future of democracy.