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It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Senate

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:29 am
by Lord Jim
In case anyone still had any doubt....
Senate Passes Budget Bill to Raise Spending and Reopen Government

WASHINGTON — The Senate easily approved a far-reaching budget deal that would reopen the federal government and boost spending by hundreds of billions of dollars early Friday, but only after enduring a one-man blockade by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who had held up the vote and forced the government to close.
The House is expected to follow before daybreak, though the outcome in that chamber was less certain. If the House approves the deal, the government will reopen before the workday begins.

But Mr. Paul, a Republican, will have made his point. Angered at the huge spending increases at the center of the deal, he delayed passage for hours with a demand to vote on an amendment that would keep in place strict caps on spending that the deal would raise.

“The reason I’m here tonight is to put people on the spot,” Mr. Paul said Thursday night. “I want people to feel uncomfortable. I want them to have to answer people at home who said, ‘How come you were against President Obama’s deficits and then how come you’re for Republican deficits?’”

The shutdown comes on the heels of a three-day closure brought about by Senate Democrats last month. As midnight approached, Mr. Paul did not relent, bemoaning from the Senate floor what he saw as out-of-control government spending and repeatedly rebuffing attempts by his fellow senators to move ahead with a vote.

“I think the country’s worth a debate until 3 in the morning, frankly,” he said.

Senate leaders were left helpless.

“I think it’s irresponsible,” said Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Senate Republican, lamenting what he described as “the act of a single senator who just is trying to make a point but doesn’t really care too much about who he inconveniences.”

Mr. Paul’s ideological opponents were not buying his fiscal rectitude either. Senator Brian Schatz, Democrat of Hawaii, posted on Twitter: “Rand Paul voted for a tax bill that blew a $1.5 trillion hole in the budget. Now he is shutting the government down for three hours because of the debt. The chance to demonstrate fiscal discipline was on the tax vote. Delaying a vote isn’t a profile in courage, it’s a cleanup.”

Around 1:45 a.m., the Senate finally passed the measure, 71 to 28.
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/us/po ... -vote.html

This not the first time the Junior Senator From Kentucky has blocked a Unanimous Consent motion purely for the purpose of being a dick, far from it...

Two other fairly recent examples I can think of is his blocking a Senate resolution welcoming Macedonia into NATO (a vote which had absolutely no practical effect on Macedonia's NATO membership) and his petty and mean-spirited vote to stop the Senate from moving to consider the Defense Authorization Bill immediately after the attempt to repeal Obamacare failed...(the Senate leadership in both parties supported that vote in order to allow Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain to floor manage the vote before he had to return to to Arizona to begin brain cancer treatment)

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:49 pm
by Bicycle Bill
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No, standing in the way of lynch mob mentality, even if it's just for a couple of hours (or minutes, in the case of the guy in Tiananmen Square) is not being a dick.  Being a dick is flatly refusing, en masse, to even consider a qualified Supreme Court candidate for almost a year and a half because the guy who nominated him was black and had a 'D' after his name.
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Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:38 pm
by Scooter
A friend of mine from DC who works in federal gov't was posting on Facebook early this morning that he was literally waiting by the phone to learn whether or not he was supposed to go into work today; someone should teach that Senator that such stunts are not humorous to the flesh and blood human beings whom they damage, just so that he could make a "point".

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:27 pm
by Big RR
While I think Rand Paul is a jerk, and I disagree with him politically on most matters, one of the points he was making yesterday needs to be made; to keep cutting taxes without cutting spending makes no sense. Yet congress and the president, whether democrat or republican, do this again and again and we continue to bloat the deficit and push the problem into the laps of our children and grandchildren. I heard him say to the republican senators, (paraphrasing) how can you criticize the deficits run by the Obama administration and then just do the same thing? That does need to be said--we keep cutting taxes and increasing spending and make people think they can get it all for nothing--it's not possible, but that's what the democrats and republicans do over and over again. And while Paul's stunt was done to boost his ego, his message was correct--but no one will listen.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:31 pm
by Scooter
I don't disagree with every single thing Rand Paul says, either, but when the wheat/chaff ratio plummets as low as it does in his case, if he has a hard time getting people to listen when he does say the occasional thing that makes sense, he has no one to blame but himself.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:52 pm
by Lord Jim
Regarding the bill itself:

It's expensive, (it will add about 300 billion to the debt over the next couple of years) but on balance I think the positive things it accomplishes out weigh the negative, both in terms of the content, and also in terms of what it represents in the larger context...

In terms of the content, it funds a lot of things that need some additional funding... (especially, in my view, military readiness which has been severely damaged by "the sequester")

It also gives us the longest breathing space (2 years) we've had in a long time before we face another potential shutdown vote, (at least as far the most important defense and domestic priorities are concerned) and (probably most importantly, especially when we have a President who has openly suggested having the government default on its obligations) it also pushes out any further votes on the debt ceiling another two years as well...

But it's in the "larger context" where I see the most positive aspects of this bill:

As I have posted about before, for the vast majority of the history of our republic, all major legislation has been achieved through compromise... (that's the way our system was designed to work)

"Compromise" roughly defined as, "I agree to give you something that I don't really like, and in exchange you agree to give me something you don't really like"...

As we all know, in recent years this process, which overall has served this country well has pretty much completely broken down...

People who either consider "compromise" to be a dirty word, or who define it in a hopelessly narrow way ("compromise means doing what we can all agree on") have exercised vastly disproportional sway over the legislative process...

The bill passed early this morning was a triumph for traditional bipartisan consensus building, and delivered a much deserved and long overdue kick in the teeth to the diehard my-way-or-the-highway types on both sides...

And this is a Good Thing. A Very Good Thing.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:05 pm
by Big RR
It was a bipartisan compromise, which is a good thing in the current climate, but it adds $300 billion to the debt, which would not have been necessary if the politicians came to terms with the fact that we/they have to pay for what we/they want to do; but no, we just keep cutting taxes and raising spending. And one day we (more likely our kids and their kids) will have to "pay the piper".

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:22 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
The trouble with the notion of compromise is that it has become qualitative rather than quantitative. Compromise on a budget normally means that although you want $50 billion you will settle for $30 billion - you can still achieve 9/10 of your goals (analogous to the 80:20 rule). A wall or an agreement to soften the lives of undocumented children is a qualitative - binary - thing. Either you have one or you don't. There is not a compromise position.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:43 pm
by Big RR
Andy--Not entirely--a wall can become enhanced border security with no erected structure, or perhaps a structure only in a significantly problematic area. DACA could be restricted only to children brought to the US before a certain age (e.g. 12), rather than all minors, and/or could provide for an extended path to citizenship with enhanced requirements (such as graduating from high school or having a GED). In the world of compromise, there are usually alternatives to the entire cake.

Now it may be in some situations that compromise cannot even be entertained (e.g. we will only torture people that the justice department specifically rates as a significant threat), but hopefully these are rare.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:15 pm
by Lord Jim
The Junior Senator from Kentucky rises yet again to defend his Biggest Dick title:
Rand Paul stops unanimous passage of 9/11 first responders funding bill

(CNN)Republican Sen. Rand Paul objected Wednesday to an attempt to pass the bill funding 9/11 first responders' health care unanimously, arguing that passing such a long-term bill without offsetting the cost would contribute to the national debt.

The delay presents another hurdle in the dramatic fight to secure funding for the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund, despite Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's continued reassurances that the fund would be fully funded. After comedian and fund advocate Jon Stewart gave emotional testimony last month accusing lawmakers of failing to support the bill, the measure was swiftly approved for to a floor vote in the House and passed the lower chamber last week on an overwhelmingly bipartisan 402-12 vote. [And the bill has 74 co-sponsors in the Senate...]
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics ... index.html

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:23 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
I'd forgotten about this thread. Living in Kentucky as I do, I have to stick up for our junior senator. He's not even the biggest dick among the KY senate delegation. MInd you, if you'd claimed he was #2 out of 100 in that national race to the bottom, I wouldn't disagree. Listening to NPR this morning, it claimed that our Governor, Matt Bevan (R), was the least popular governor in the US based on a poll earlier this year. One thing about Kentucky - we're pretty good at electing total fucking assholes. They can't take that away from us.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:23 pm
by rubato
ex-khobar Andy wrote:The trouble with the notion of compromise is that it has become qualitative rather than quantitative. Compromise on a budget normally means that although you want $50 billion you will settle for $30 billion - you can still achieve 9/10 of your goals (analogous to the 80:20 rule). A wall or an agreement to soften the lives of undocumented children is a qualitative - binary - thing. Either you have one or you don't. There is not a compromise position.

Oh, I don't know, you could have a hedge. Something stickery-spikey like Jerusalem crown of thorns or ocotillo. That would be a compromise.








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rubato

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:33 pm
by rubato
I see Amy McGrath is running against Mitch. She did well running for a house seat. She didn't win but she made up a lot of ground and got some exposure.


I'm sending her some love.

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rubato

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:21 pm
by Sue U
ex-khobar Andy wrote:One thing about Kentucky - we're pretty good at electing total fucking assholes. They can't take that away from us.
I see your Matt Bevan and raise you a Chris Christie.

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:22 pm
by Big RR
Yep, the only thing worse than Trump are the assholes that shill for him, like Christie. He may well have been a human being at one point, but, like Faust, he sold his soul to the devil (and making a fool of himself by shilling for an asshole was just the first of many tasks exacted from him).

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:38 pm
by Lord Jim
I have to rank Trump as far worse than his shills, (at least in terms of impact on the country, if not in the moral emptiness of their character)

None of them is in a position to subvert the constitution or trample the the rule of law the way Trump is...


(Well, maybe Bill Barr...)

Re: It's Official: Rand Paul Is The Biggest Dick In The Sena

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:43 pm
by Big RR
True, but I honestly think Trump doesn't possess the intellect to realize the harm he is doing, I think his shills do. IMHO, Trump has always been the guy who says exactly what he is told to say (in his asinine style) and then struts around like a big shot. For example, I doubt he could even find Iran on a map, let alone understand the complexities of the current situation, but he spouts the prepared script and then struts around like he is a genius. when he goes off script (and I'm honestly not sure how often he does), he comes across as a bigger ass. The man never negotiated an agreement in his life, never ran a business, and made a career out of being a reality TV "'star". I don't think he really cares if he is doing harm or not (which is pretty bad), but shills like Christie are smart enough to really understand the danger and just ignore it because it gets them something they want. IMHO this is far worse.