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Econoline · Post by **Econoline** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:33 am

There are no menus at the Karma Cafe: You will be served what you deserve.

Republicans: BUSINESS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE BASED ON SINCERELY HELD BELIEFS!

Business: Get out.

Republicans: No. See. Ha ha. Not ME. You can't discriminate against ME. That's not what I ... You can't refuse ME! I meant those OTHER people! It's not fair!

It seems Sarah Huckabee Sanders got refused service last night, and tossed out of a restaurant.

The Red Hen, an Lexington eatery, refused to serve her -- because she works for Donald Trump -- and asked her to leave. She did. Then she ran home and complained about it on Twitter. This morning, conservatives like her dad -- Governor Reverend Supreme Bestest American Christian Mike Huckabee, who spent his morning making racist comments on Twitter -- are outraged. Livid. Incensed.

How dare a business refuse service to ... well, a white Christian Republican? How dare they?

Honestly, I don't understand the complaint.

I don't.

I would think Mike Huckabee would be thrilled.

I would think Sarah Sanders would be jubilant.

I would think Donald Trump himself would tweet praise for the restaurant.

I mean, isn't THIS what they wanted?

Isn't THIS the America Republicans wanted?

Isn't THIS the America Christian conservatives wanted?

Isn't this -- this right here -- WHY conservatives and Christians voted for Trump?

Well, isn't it?

Isn't this exactly what they wanted? For business to have the right to discriminate based on "sincerely held beliefs?" Isn't THIS right here what they were all crowing about last week? Proclaiming victory for freedom after last week's Supreme Court decision, when they claimed vindication for those Christian baker who refused to serve a gay couple?

Well?

Isn't this EXACTLY what they wanted?

It seems they got it.

They got exactly what they wanted.

Fucking hurts when it happens to YOU though, doesn't it?

They got what they wanted.

NOW, they're going to get what they deserve.

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:49 am

I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully

More unmitigated horse shit from the unmitigated horse shit factory that is Sarah Huckabee Sanders...

I have occasion to listen to most of her press disinformation sessions, and her snide, sneering, sarcastic put-downs of reporters asking her questions that challenge her fantastical versions of events are a regular feature...

Of course, she's not actually claiming that she in fact treats people who she disagrees with respectfully, only that she she does her "best" to do so...

In which case, I can tell you for a fact that her "best" is none too good...

RayThom · Post by **RayThom** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:16 am

Bicycle Bill · Post by **Bicycle Bill** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:54 pm

I've been in literally hundreds of places which have a sign posted that reads "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone," or words to that effect. You mean to tell me that signs, notices, or policies like these — at least until last week's SCOTUS decision — actually were meaningless and carried no weight or authority, and were little more than a decorative curio?

-"BB"-

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:50 pm

BoSoxGal · Post by **BoSoxGal** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:17 pm

Bicycle Bill wrote:I've been in literally hundreds of places which have a sign posted that reads "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone," or words to that effect. You mean to tell me that signs, notices, or policies like these — at least until last week's SCOTUS decision — actually were meaningless and carried no weight or authority, and were little more than a decorative curio?

-"BB"-

No, they are perfectly legal and can be enforced at any time - EXCEPT on the basis of protected class status, which includes race, gender, creed, etc.

86ing (throwing out or banning patrons) is a widespread practice in the restaurant and bar industry and has been for years - and it is perfectly legal so long as it isn’t done on the basis of the race, gender, creed, sexual orientation, etc. of the person being 86ed. Assholes are frequently 86ed and there is no law against that - SHS is a primo asshole and thus richly deserving of being 86ed. Being a Nazi isn’t a protected class.

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:11 am

Joe Guy · Post by **Joe Guy** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:41 am

The restaurant has a new menu item as of today: The Sara Huckabee Sanders Cheese Plate. To go only....

Long Run · Post by **Long Run** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:46 am

She's a piece of work, and her boss if off the charts, but I don't think this plays well in Peoria.

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:10 pm

It doesn't play well with me either; I personally cannot stand her, but I would not patronize a restaurant that would ban her for her political belief. I agree with BSG that the owner can do what (s)he wants because white republicans and assholes are not protected classes, but it does offend me that someone can be banned from an establishment based on their beliefs. If she was loudly proclaiming the praises of Trump and bothering other patrons, I'd have no problem with it, but that doesn't appear to be what happened.

And adding more fodder to rile up the zealots before the midterm elections is NOT a good thing.

Lord Jim · Post by **Lord Jim** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:46 pm

I agree with Big RR on this one, on all points...

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:01 pm

We're in agreement? This is getting scary.

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:47 pm

Sanders is a willing accomplice in actions which the restaurant owner believes to be detrimental to her employees, other customers and the country at large. What does it say to them if Sanders's presence in the restaurant were condoned by its owner? Would black customers not be justified in departing en masse if the restaurant were to serve a grand wizard of the KKK? Should an employee who is the descendant of Holocaust survivors be forced to smile as she refills the iced teas for the executive of the American Nazi Party?

Why is it wrong to give Sanders the message that being the propagandist for an evil regime is going to come at a personal cost?

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:51 pm

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:17 pm

Scooter wrote:Sanders is a willing accomplice in actions which the restaurant owner believes to be detrimental to her employees, other customers and the country at large. What does it say to them if Sanders's presence in the restaurant were condoned by its owner? Would black customers not be justified in departing en masse if the restaurant were to serve a grand wizard of the KKK? Should an employee who is the descendant of Holocaust survivors be forced to smile as she refills the iced teas for the executive of the American Nazi Party?

Why is it wrong to give Sanders the message that being the propagandist for an evil regime is going to come at a personal cost?

Scooter--if customers were departing en masse because Sanders was there, the I think the owner might have a valid reason to ask her to leave; she does not have a right to cause a disturbance and affect the business, even if it is unintentional. I also defend the owners legal right, as I said, to exclude whomever (s)he wishes to exclude. I further concede there may be some circumstances where I would not be offended by such an exclusion (not that my condoning it should make it any more acceptable)--I just don't see this as one of those.

Would you similarly say it was acceptable for a catholic owner of a restaurant to exclude someone who works in an abortion clinic, or is an outspoken supporter of abortion, because the owner believes that person "is a willing accomplice in actions which the restaurant owner believes to be detrimental to her employees, other customers and the country at large"? I wouldn't, even though I think they have a legal right to do so.

Again, my belief is that speech is only free if the sanctions are content neutral, and any attempt to try and influence it based on that content is not acceptable IMHO. In this case, I think a business owner is in business to serve the public and should put their personal views prejudices aside in performing that duty. Just as I think it would be wrong for a pharmacy to refuse to carry RU 486 or another abortion pill because the owner does not think abortion is right, I think that a restaurant should serve people who enter regardless of what political view he owner has.

rubato · Post by **rubato** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:11 pm

Lord Jim wrote:
I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully
More unmitigated horse shit from the unmitigated horse shit factory that is Sarah Huckabee Sanders...

I have occasion to listen to most of her press disinformation sessions, and her snide, sneering, sarcastic put-downs of reporters asking her questions that challenge her fantastical versions of events are a regular feature...

Of course, she's not actually claiming that she in fact treats people who she disagrees with respectfully, only that she she does her "best" to do so...

In which case, I can tell you for a fact that her "best" is none too good...

They set the bar in the crawlspace, to cop a phrase.

yrs,
rubato

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:13 pm

Far below the crawlspace; like maybe at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

rubato · Post by **rubato** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:18 pm

I would have served her. No matter what she ordered she would get a scoop of mashed potatos (no salt) overcooked broccoli, meat loaf (unseasoned), a few iceberg lettuce leaves. When she complained that was not her order I would have the server reply "children in your prisons don't get to choose either. Unlike them, you can leave".

yrs,
rubato

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:04 am

Big RR · Post by **Big RR** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:06 pm

He never fails to bring the discussion to a new low.

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