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Rudy Giuliani's greatest hits

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I figured that there have been so many asinine things coming out of his mouth in the last couple of years, that it deserved its own thread. So I'll kick it off:

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Okay, no longer a fan of Rudy's, but I'm pretty sure that picture wasn't taken on 9/11...

It's got to be from some time after...

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Of course his comment was still idiotic, since not being at ground zero on 9/11 doesn't say jack about one's qualifications to be President...

And of course Il Boobce wasn't there either...
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Nor was W, for that matter. I think most people would have preferred more rescue workers there than an asinine, self-promoting politician in an FDNY baseball hat. but they got the latter.

But let's face it, Rudy's presence was "essential"--the city needed his "leadership". Why they wouldn't cancel the subsequent mayoral election was a slap in the face to such a great man. :roll:

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Lord Jim wrote:And of course Il Boobce wasn't there either...
Of course not. He was in Drumpf tower, four miles away, touting the fact that IT was now the tallest building on Manhattan Island.

At 664', Drumpf seems to have completely forgotten about the Empire State Building which is 1454' tall if you include the mast. Actually he said "downtown Manhattan". I'm not sure exactly what constitutes "downtown". IIRC the island is about 13 miles long, and his tower was four miles from ground-zero.

And there were more people at his inauguration than any other, ever, too.

"Only parenthetically in the middle of the 10-minute conversation did Trump turn to a favorite topic—size. “40 Wall Street,” he said, referring to his 71-story building blocks away from the now-collapsed twin towers, “actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest—and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it’s the tallest.”

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On collusion question, Giuliani isn’t doing Trump any favors

In early May, there was a fair amount of reporting that suggested Donald Trump was growing frustrated with Rudy Giuliani’s antics. It was easy to understand why: as we discussed at the time, the former New York mayor, added to the president’s legal team for reasons that still don’t make any sense, has a habit of doing more harm than good.

Take this morning, for example.
For months, President Donald Trump has repeated the same refrain: There was “no collusion” between his campaign and Russia. But on Monday, his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, took a different tack, saying that “collusion is not a crime.”

“I have been sitting here trying to find collusion as a crime. Collusion is not a crime,” Giuliani said in an interview on “Fox and Friends” Monday morning.
In case this isn’t obvious, there’s an important difference between the president and his legal defense team saying, “There was no collusion,” and “Collusion isn’t a crime.” The former is a categorical denial of dubious legitimacy; the latter is a hedge that appears intended to address new evidence that may yet emerge.

What’s more, as NBC News’ report added, “There is no statute covering ‘colluding’ with a foreign power, but it is illegal to conspire to violate laws against not only hacking, but foreign participation in elections. In an indictment earlier this month, special counsel Robert Mueller accused 12 Russian intelligence officers of conspiracy to hack computers and to defraud the United States, alleging that people ‘known and unknown to the grand jury’ participated in that conspiracy.”

Making matters worse, that’s not all Giuliani said this morning.

He told CNN, for example, “Hacking is the crime. The president didn’t hack. He didn’t pay for the hacking.”

Giuliani was pushing back against allegations that don’t exist. No one has accused the president of launching his own cyber-attack or financing Russia’s espionage operation.

The concern is that Trump’s political operation may have cooperated with a foreign adversary during its attack on our political system – and that’s the part Giuliani is trying to dismiss as unimportant.

The presidential attorney went on to say this morning that Trump “did not participate in any meeting about the Russia transaction,” which is the sort of phrasing that raises eyebrows – because we’ve been told there was no “transaction.”

As for allegations that Trump was informed about the infamous Russia meeting in June 2016, when Giuliani was asked today how he can be sure the president didn’t know about it, the lawyer replied that “nobody can be sure of anything.”

If the president was growing frustrated with Giuliani in May, how exactly does Trump feel about him now?
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Maybe it's all part of some grand scheme - if he is found guilty, he will plead ineffective counsel and thereby get off.

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Much as I'd like to see him in court, like Nixon I'd settle for removal from office (and I doubt an impeachment minded Congress would care about ineffective assistance of his counsel).

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Rudy Giuliani Now Says Trump, Comey Never Discussed Michael Flynn

The president’s attorney has contradicted himself once again.

Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that President Donald Trump never discussed former national security adviser Michael Flynn in February 2017 with then-FBI Director James Comey, contradicting past statements he’s made about the exchange.

“There was no conversation about Michael Flynn,” Giuliani, an attorney for the president, told CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday.

Giuliani suggested Trump “didn’t find out that Comey believed” there was a Flynn discussion until May 2017, when The New York Times reported on memos penned by Comey.

But Giuliani’s denial of the Flynn discussion appears in stark contrast to comments he’s made during past media appearances. On July 8, he told ABC’s “This Week” that Trump had asked Comey to give Flynn “a break” during a February 2017 meeting in the Oval Office.

At the time, Comey had been investigating whether Flynn had made false statements under oath about conversations he had with Russian officials. Trump later fired Comey in early May, citing the FBI’s director handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. He has since acknowledged that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, which special counsel Robert Mueller took over, played a role in Comey’s dismissal.

When Tapper asked Giuliani on Sunday to explain his shifting statements on the Trump-Comey conversation, the president’s attorney claimed he had always denied the conversation ever happened.

“You told ABC News last month that the president told Comey, “Can you give him a break?” Tapper told Giuliani.

“I never told ABC that,” Giuliani said. “That’s crazy. Never said that. I said that is what Comey is saying Trump said. I have always said the president denies it.”

Giuliani added that Trump will testify that the conversation never took place if asked as part of Mueller’s investigation, which is also reportedly looking into whether Trump obstructed justice.

But Giuliani’s interview with ABC wasn’t the only time he appeared to confirm the Flynn conversation. He told Fox News on July 30 that Trump had asked Comey to “exercise his prosecutorial discretion” when it came to Flynn.

“The obstruction thing is crazy,” Giuliani said in that interview. “He had a right to fire Comey. That’s what it’s all about. He had a right to say to Comey, ‘Give Flynn a break.’ There’s no investigation at the time. And not only that, he didn’t tell him, ‘Don’t investigate him, don’t prosecute him’ ― he asked him to exercise his prosecutorial discretion because he was a good man with a great war record.”
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Lord Jim wrote:Okay, no longer a fan of Rudy's, but I'm pretty sure that picture wasn't taken on 9/11... It's got to be from some time after...
Correct, LJ - the photo was taken on 9/12. And RG's comment had nothing to do with being at GZ on 9/11 as a qualification for presidency was a mistaken effort to paint Hillary as dishonest.
Stumping for Donald Trump in Ocala, Fla., on Wednesday, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani told a crowd that Hillary Clinton had falsely claimed to have been in New York on Sept. 11, 2001—an incorrect claim he took back a few hours later.

“I made a mistake. I’m wrong and I apologize,” Giuliani told The Associated Press......

.....Asked about his comments, Giuliani said he thought he had heard Clinton say during the last presidential debate that she was in New York on 9/11. But after being contacted by a reporter, he reviewed a transcript and found out he was wrong.

Told that he was being criticized online by people posting photographs of him with Clinton at ground zero, Giuliani was contrite.

“I probably deserve it,” he said.
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Ok, that's it; no more Mr. Nice Guy:
Giuliani’s threat to Mueller: ‘We will just unload on him like a ton of bricks’

Rudy Giuliani threatened to “unload” on Robert Mueller “like a ton of bricks” if the special counsel doesn’t wrap up his Russia probe by the time the former mayor wants him to.

“CNN poll shows 66% say Mueller should complete his investigation before the upcoming elections. DOJ has policy to refrain from investigatory activity in 60 day period before election. [False]DOJ should require Mueller to submit his report before September 7,” tweeted Giuliani, President Trump’s lead lawyer in the case.

Giuliani also told Bloomberg that Mueller should “write the damn report so we can see it and rebut it,” in an interview published Wednesday.

“If he doesn’t get it done in the next two or three weeks we will just unload on him like a ton of bricks,” he said.

But Mueller doesn’t have to shut down the investigation into Russian election meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign by any artificial deadline — despite claims by Trump’s lawyers that he faces a Sept. 1 deadline, current and former US officials told the news outlet.

“It’s an absurdity to think that Mueller has to shut down in the coming weeks because of the midterm elections. There is no legal impediment to Mueller continuing his work as we get closer to the election,” said Jeffrey Cramer, a former federal prosecutor.

As a former Justice Department official, Giuliani should know better, said Cramer.

“He’s going to play poker against Bob Mueller? That’s not a smart move. Mueller’s holding all the cards,” he added.

Mueller can continue his inquiry, and even issue new indictments up to and after the Nov. 6 midterms without violating a Justice Department policy against actions intended “for the purpose of affecting any election,” another official told Bloomberg.
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I wasn't sure whether to post this here, or in the "You Can't Make This Shit Up" thread:
Defending Trump, Giuliani proclaims, ‘Truth isn’t truth!’

"This is going to become a bad meme," Chuck Todd replied.

Rudy Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, coined a new Trumpism Sunday morning when he told Meet The Press‘ Chuck Todd that “truth isn’t truth.”

His last-minute appearance followed a New York Times report that White House attorney Don McGahn has given some 30 hours of interviews in cooperation with Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

When Todd implied that it was Trump’s team that was delaying negotiations with the investigation, Giuliani replied that it’s “silly” to think Trump should feel confident about testifying because “it’s somebody’s version of the truth, not the truth.”

When Todd insisted that “truth is truth,” Giuliani replied, “No, it isn’t truth! Truth isn’t truth!”

That wasn’t even the only bombshell from the interview. Giuliani also admitted that the “original intention” of the infamous Trump Tower meeting in June of 2016 was to collect damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

Though Trump himself recently admitted as much, this still directly contradicts what Trump originally said when he dictated a message on behalf of his son, claiming it was a meeting to discuss “the adoption of Russian children.”

Giuliani even tried to claim that Donald Trump, Jr. and the other campaign officials who took that meeting didn’t even know that the woman they were meeting with, Natalia Veselnitskaya, was Russian. He also denied that she had any connections with the Russian government, even though she has represented the FSB, Russia’s spy agency, for nearly a decade and she even admitted this spring that she’s an informant.

Still, it was “truth isn’t truth” that was the big takeaway from the interview. Even as Giuliani said it, Todd joked, “This is going to become a bad meme.”

During the panel discussion that followed, the Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson called it the new “Alternative Facts,” referring to an infamous line presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway used just days into the Trump administration to defend Trump’s distorted claims about how many people attended his inauguration.
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Kellyanne Conway - "alternative facts"

Jay Sekulow - "facts develop"

Rudy Giuliani - "truth isn't truth"

Are we sensing a pattern yet?
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George Orwell was an optimist. H.L. Mencken was a prophet.
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Diogenes, meet Rudy.
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Sue, you are feeding my basic pessimism. Snailgate

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Burning Petard wrote:Sue, you are feeding my basic pessimism. Snailgate
Pessimism is well-deserved. Look at who's running the country and what they're doing; can you honestly say we're not well on the way to a dystopian hellscape? We're living a Philip K. Dick story in the dumbest possible timeline.
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